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Hi LU,
While Jesus was with us he alone was the source of illumination for the world.John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.When he returned to God and shared his given Spirit with men they too became lamplights for the world.
Philippians 2:15
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;Hi Nick,
The Father is the source of the Son's illumination and the Son illumines us. Don't you think that it is curious that John the Baptist who had the Spirit of God within him said that he was not the light. He was out there testifying about Jesus yet he said specifically that he was not the light but the true light was Christ. So, I believe that the light we are does not have the exact same meaning as the Light that Christ is, similar but not exact.Kathi
LU……………….John the baptist is not John we read of in the rest of the scriptures. The Spirit was (ON) Him not in Him as it was On the disciples until the Day of Pentecost, at that time the Spirit came to be with in them, Thats why Jesus could say the least into the Kingdom was greater the John the Baptist. Jesus was the First to have God's Spirit (IN) Him. and then the Apostles and the rest from there on after the day of Pentecost. All the old testament Prophets and Kings and Elders Had the Spirit on them not in them not in them. Jesus Sent the Spirit to be in us He said it would be (in us) and abide with us for ever. Who ever Has God Spirit (IN) them Has His light in them also, and they are able to let that light shine through them, this is the same light that was in Jesus also. There is no difference, one GOD in ALL and Through ALL by His Spirit , the same Spirit Jesus had also. IMO
love and peace to you and yours……………………………………..gene
G,
Was the Spirit not IN the prophets?1Peter1
9Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.10Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Nick……….No the Spirit was on them , not in them Jesus was the First to have it in Him and afterward the Apostles and the rest. I believe Jesus recieved on the day He was baptized, because a voice come out of Heaven and said (this day) i have begotten you. If you look at the 70 Elders of Israel , God told Moses < I shall take of the Spirit that is on you and Put it on them. Not in them. Remember Jesus told the Apostles that the Spirit was with them , but would be in them. There is a difference Nick between the old testament and the new in this regard. In the old testament the Spirit could leave you as in the case of Saul, and David knew that also and Ask God not to remove His Spirit from Him. But Jesus said it would (NEVER) leave us. big difference. IMO.
love and peace…………………………gene
G,
Deuteronomy 34:9
Now Joshua the son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom, for Moses had laid his hands on him; and the sons of Israel listened to him and did as the LORD had commanded Moses.Nick…………Check out all the places where it refers to the Spirit in the old testament and you will see it was ON them. This is you problem Nick instead of trying to see where what is said is right you hunt to try to disprove everything, God's Spirit can in effect a person with out being in them. Think about where Peter said For thou art the son of the living GOD, and Jesus responded Flesh and blood did not reveal that unto you but My Father who is in Heaven has revealed it unto you. But was Peter converted at that time (NO) he just had a revelation of God influencing Him. Jesus plainly said the Spirit was with them but would be IN Them. This is the same with the People in the old testaments also. There is a big Difference between the Spirit being on you or in you. When God comes to live (IN) us we become a Son of GOD and He takes permanent residence in us. ONE give place for change the other doesn't.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………..gene
G,
In a way you are right in that sometimes the Spirit temporarily came onto people.Numbers 11:25
Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed Him upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied. But they did not do it again.
1 Samuel 19:20
Then Saul sent messengers to take David, but when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing and presiding over them, the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul; and they also prophesied.Yet true prophets were ever anointed as the Spirit lived in them
2 Kings 2:15
Now when the sons of the prophets who were at Jericho opposite him saw him, they said, “The spirit of Elijah rests on Elisha.” And they came to meet him and bowed themselves to the ground before him.But do not deny the words of 1PETER1
the Spirit was IN the prophetsG,
Remember it says about Jesus too.Matthew 3:16
After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,Mark 1:10
Immediately coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opening, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him;Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, ” You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”John 1:32
John testified saying, ” I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him.Quote (Gene @ Mar. 04 2009,20:18) LU……………….John the baptist is not John we read of in the rest of the scriptures. The Spirit was (ON) Him not in Him as it was On the disciples until the Day of Pentecost, at that time the Spirit came to be with in them, Thats why Jesus could say the least into the Kingdom was greater the John the Baptist. Jesus was the First to have God's Spirit (IN) Him. and then the Apostles and the rest from there on after the day of Pentecost. All the old testament Prophets and Kings and Elders Had the Spirit on them not in them not in them. Jesus Sent the Spirit to be in us He said it would be (in us) and abide with us for ever. Who ever Has God Spirit (IN) them Has His light in them also, and they are able to let that light shine through them, this is the same light that was in Jesus also. There is no difference, one GOD in ALL and Through ALL by His Spirit , the same Spirit Jesus had also. IMO love and peace to you and yours……………………………………..gene
Hi Gene,
John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit while in his mother's womb. It wasn't “on” him, it filled him. See this passage:Luke 1:12-15
13 But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your petition has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will give him the name John. 14 “And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15 “For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine or liquor; and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, while yet in his mother's womb.
NASBlessings,
KathiNick………..Num 11:16….And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the Elders of Israel, whom thou Knowest to be elders of the people and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of he congregation, that they may stand there with thee. (17) And i will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the Spirit which is (UPON) thee, and will put it (UPON) them; and they shall bear the burden with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone. This is Just one of many other places that reference the Spirit as being ON them , Here it said Moses and the Elders recieve the Spirit (UPON) them and Nick so did Joshua the Spirit was UPON Him also., Remember the Sum of God's word is truth, look for all the places it shows the Spirit was on those in the old testament times. There seems to be a difference of the Spirit being on a person and one being in a person, even through the Spirit on a person does effect His thinking also. It gives him special intellects about things , but the Spirit that comes to abide in us Seems to give us the Power to decipher whats true. And that Spirit will never forsake or leave us. IMO
love and peace to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2009,19:42) Hi LU,
Neither was john the WORD though he spoke the words of God too.
That is right Nick,
John the Baptist spoke God's words, was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb, lived a humble existence yet was not credited with being the “Light” or the “Word.” He was not THE Light or THE Word, that was unique for the Son of God.So would you say that John the Baptist was born again while in the womb since he was filled with the Holy Spirit then?
Kathi
LU….Why did Jesus say the least in the kingdom of God was will be greater then John then. And you are right it does say filled. Spirit is intellect and if that is Holy then it is Holy intellect. I wonder if being filled or having the Spirit upon is the same thing , Maybe it is the same i am not sure about this. I once read a large article on this subject and the writer showed pretty good the there was a difference between the old usage of how the Spirit was place on people and the way the new testament references it. One was and external influencing while the other was a internal influencing, As in Peters case with Jesus' identity and yet Peter was not converted until Pentecost. Interesting but i believe there is and was a difference. between one and the other. I could be wrong.
love and peace to you and yours………………………gene
G,
You say
“Spirit is intellect and if that is Holy then it is Holy intellect.”
You say such things but scripture does not.
You are out on your own there.Quote (Gene @ Mar. 04 2009,23:01) LU….Why did Jesus say the least in the kingdom of God was will be greater then John then. And you are right it does say filled. Spirit is intellect and if that is Holy then it is Holy intellect. I wonder if being filled or having the Spirit upon is the same thing , Maybe it is the same i am not sure about this. I once read a large article on this subject and the writer showed pretty good the there was a difference between the old usage of how the Spirit was place on people and the way the new testament references it. One was and external influencing while the other was a internal influencing, As in Peters case with Jesus' identity and yet Peter was not converted until Pentecost. Interesting but i believe there is and was a difference. between one and the other. I could be wrong. love and peace to you and yours………………………gene
Hi Gene,
You asked about those who will be considered greater than John the Baptist. I will paste a bit from a commentary that I think gives a good answer:Luke 7:27-28
28. Not a greater prophet than John the Baptist. John was the greatest and last of the prophets, and the herald of a new dispensation. He that is least in the kingdom of God. John knew only that redemption and the work of the Holy Spirit would be introduced by Jesus (John 1:29-34); he did not live to see the work of Christ perfected. Those who live in the era of the kingdom of God have greater privileges and powers than John.
(from The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright  1962 by Moody Press)As far as being filled with the Spirit which is “in” us and that which is “upon” us, well, I have wondered the same thing as you…perhaps there is a difference. We do have to reckon with the fact that the Spirit was in John yet he was not the Light. Jesus was a diffent type of light yet similar.
Blessings,
Kathi
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