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If you count like that you have to add so many terms/words/phrases/sentences where the translators have added to the original scriptures.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2008,18:54) Hi GM,
DRAGS is a word of a man added in.
Nick……why don't you lok it up and see if (MAN) added it in then. When i looked it up I found that it should mean (DRAG) instead of Draw, but either way it's still God the Father doing it, right. Not the man himself by his own so call (FREE WILL) isn't that the point.Just to respond to the initial thoughts in this thread..I think the scriptures show that the kingdom of God is a HEAVENLY kingdom, ruled by Christ, that will never be brought to ruin..
For the record…DRAW is the appropriate word used at john 6:44…
notice vines expository…
“This less violent significance, usually present in helko, but always absent from suro, is seen in the metaphorical use of helko, to signify “drawing” by inward power, by Divine impulse, John_6:44; John_12:32. So in the Sept., e.g., Solomon_1:4; Jer_31:3, “with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.” It is used of a more vigorous action, in John_18:10, of “drawing” a sword; in Acts_16:19; Acts_21:30, of forcibly “drawing” men to or from a place; so in James_2:6, AV, “draw,” RV, “drag.” See DRAW.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2008,04:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2008,18:54) Hi GM,
DRAGS is a word of a man added in.
Nick……why don't you lok it up and see if (MAN) added it in then. When i looked it up I found that it should mean (DRAG) instead of Draw, but either way it's still God the Father doing it, right. Not the man himself by his own so call (FREE WILL) isn't that the point.
Gene..correct me if I am wrong..but the reason you are partial to “drag” being used here is because it fits better into your belief on “no free will”…If that is the case, you should be careful that your beliefs don't interfere with what the bible is trying to say…
That is how we have the debacle that is called the KJV…with hell being used instead of more appropriate words…and the “trinity” verse at 1 John 5:7..and many more…people (myself included) have a tendancy to read the bible with a certain thought in mind, instead of letting the bible give them their thoughts…I think its something we all need to be mindful of.
Just an observation…again if I am wrong I humbly stand corrected
Blessings
Quote (dirtyknections @ June 27 2008,04:43) Just to respond to the initial thoughts in this thread..I think the scriptures show that the kingdom of God is a HEAVENLY kingdom, ruled by Christ, that will never be brought to ruin..
Hi DK,
Indeed.
The Kingdom of God=the Kingdom of heaven.
Dan7
13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
1Cor15
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Quote (dirtyknections @ June 27 2008,04:56) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2008,04:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2008,18:54) Hi GM,
DRAGS is a word of a man added in.
Nick……why don't you lok it up and see if (MAN) added it in then. When i looked it up I found that it should mean (DRAG) instead of Draw, but either way it's still God the Father doing it, right. Not the man himself by his own so call (FREE WILL) isn't that the point.
Gene..correct me if I am wrong..but the reason you are partial to “drag” being used here is because it fits better into your belief on “no free will”…If that is the case, you should be careful that your beliefs don't interfere with what the bible is trying to say…
That is how we have the debacle that is called the KJV…with hell being used instead of more appropriate words…and the “trinity” verse at 1 John 5:7..and many more…people (myself included) have a tendancy to read the bible with a certain thought in mind, instead of letting the bible give them their thoughts…I think its something we all need to be mindful of.
Just an observation…again if I am wrong I humbly stand corrected
Blessings
Hi DK,
You think that whoever given the interpretations of these words quoted by you are also not human beings like you. You want to prove your so called free will. Yes go head and use it and you will end up miserably like any body whoever used their so called free wills in the Bible. If you want to follow their example instead of Jesus' you are most welcome my friend. You think that you and Nick can interpret scriptures very well. What is the meaning of 'draw' is it not pull or drag some thing ? Don't you think you are interpreting scriptures in your own way to prove your dogma of free will or preexistence in this forum. Even you don't believe the importance of gifts of Holy Spirit then where you will end up my friend?
Please take care
AdamQuote (gollamudi @ June 27 2008,18:58) Quote (dirtyknections @ June 27 2008,04:56) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2008,04:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2008,18:54) Hi GM,
DRAGS is a word of a man added in.
Nick……why don't you lok it up and see if (MAN) added it in then. When i looked it up I found that it should mean (DRAG) instead of Draw, but either way it's still God the Father doing it, right. Not the man himself by his own so call (FREE WILL) isn't that the point.
Gene..correct me if I am wrong..but the reason you are partial to “drag” being used here is because it fits better into your belief on “no free will”…If that is the case, you should be careful that your beliefs don't interfere with what the bible is trying to say…
That is how we have the debacle that is called the KJV…with hell being used instead of more appropriate words…and the “trinity” verse at 1 John 5:7..and many more…people (myself included) have a tendancy to read the bible with a certain thought in mind, instead of letting the bible give them their thoughts…I think its something we all need to be mindful of.
Just an observation…again if I am wrong I humbly stand corrected
Blessings
Hi DK,
You think that whoever given the interpretations of these words quoted by you are also not human beings like you. You want to prove your so called free will. Yes go head and use it and you will end up miserably like any body whoever used their so called free wills in the Bible. If you want to follow their example instead of Jesus' you are most welcome my friend. You think that you and Nick can interpret scriptures very well. What is the meaning of 'draw' is it not pull or drag some thing ? Don't you think you are interpreting scriptures in your own way to prove your dogma of free will or preexistence in this forum. Even you don't believe the importance of gifts of Holy Spirit then where you will end up my friend?
Please take care
Adam
Again…you need to study your bible more brother GM…it will teach you more than GB or myself ever could….Study what should be the appopriate words my child…and see for yourself..By the way…my life and many others I know prove your false doctrine of “no choice” untrue…I choose to led GOD lead and guide my existence and have been blessed beyond compare…
so I don't need your “interpretations”…And yet again you PURPOSELY mis represent my words to try to prove yourself superior…You should quit with the propanganda and stick to the reality of my words…
I NEVER said the gifts of the holy spirit were not important..what I said is as Paul prophesied..I think they have ended…
We do not need those spectacular displays to see and feel GOD's spirit…all we need are these 3 things:
2 Timothy 3:16-18…16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
notice what paul said would remain after those gifts ended..which they have
1 Corinthians 13:13… 13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
John 16:13…13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
GM…Oh ye of little faith…take our Masters words here to heart and you will see what I am trying to say
John 20:29… 29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Hi DK,
Finally you have revealed what you are made of. What else you can contribute to this forum of your preconceived ideas. You don't follow our only Master what his example of leaving his free will but followed his Father's sovereign will. There is big difference my friend what I believe and what you are made of. Sorry for these strong words.
take care
AdamQuote (gollamudi @ June 28 2008,03:37) Hi DK,
Finally you have revealed what you are made of. What else you can contribute to this forum of your preconceived ideas. You don't follow our only Master what his example of leaving his free will but followed his Father's sovereign will. There is big difference my friend what I believe and what you are made of. Sorry for these strong words.
take care
Adam
So you judge me yet again…its ok…here is what I think about your judging…1 Corinthians 4:3-5…3I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
Blessings brother GM
Brother GM….
I was looking back over our dialogue…and i realized it has not been the least bit upbuilding..I apologize for my part in this…and would like to say…I think you are a valued member of this board and I view you as an asset to the body of Christ..again my apologizes…and lets seek truth TOGETHER and quit these mindless debates over words…
Blessings
Quote (gollamudi @ June 28 2008,03:46) Even I think the same with me brother. Don't take to heart since we are in some debate.
Just trying to keep my brothers close…
We all need each other…I own a print and design business and while typing this message…i am printing obituaries for a client…and I see the pain this family is going thru and it is making me see the power of what we as Christians share…
So blessings brother…
Wow!
I stumbled on to this thread and find what?!? Brother's loving one another and extending grace to one another? What is this? Could it be true Christian fellowship? I believe it is!
If I had a hat I'd take it off to both of you! Instead I will tell you both that I am blessed this morning by your giving to one another and forgiving one another. Man, I'm blessed down to my socks! My faith is restored in brotherhood. Praise the LORD for you both!
Thanks Sis, at one point of time I felt very sad by thinking why I joined this forum but our brother DK revived my spirit in love.
Thanks to him and you my sis you are the source of my encouragement in this forum.
Love to you
AdamQuote (gollamudi @ June 28 2008,05:34) my sis you are the source of my encouragement in this forum.
It's one of my gifts!
I'm winking to DK who believes the gifts have been done away with.Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2008,10:40) Quote (gollamudi @ June 28 2008,05:34) my sis you are the source of my encouragement in this forum.
It's one of my gifts! I'm winking to DK who believes the gifts have been done away with.
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