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Quote (Tiffany @ Sep. 20 2008,11:10) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 09 2008,03:18) Nick………In all those scriptures you quoted and rightly by the way, Yet that does not do away with where Jesus said they (WOULD) go into the Kingdom of God, even if it is after the tax collectors and Prostitutes go in. Cant you see in this that God's WILL and intent it to SAVE ALL. What God Wills He will do, “for God does (all things) after the council of His own WILL”. And if God can save you and me, don't you think He can save everyone else also?
Gen I think I have asked you once before if you say ALL will be saved, do you really mean all of mankind or just those that the Father gave to Jesus?
Irene
Irene……..I mean (ALL) mankind will be saved, YET AS BY FIRE, or Intense Judgments. Because GOD is not willing that any Parish, and if He made the creator He certainly knows how to say it. We like to caompair GOD to ourselves , but there is Nothing impossible for Him as scripture says and if it's his will to save all then all will be saved. Yet as by Fire (intense judgments) just like it says. Nick wants us to believe it just God elect only that it speaking of, but it says (EVERY MANS WORK) not just a few. IMOlove and peace to you and yours……….. gene
GB
Is this what you are relying on?
1Cor 3
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
God does not live in the heathen.
They are not one with Jesus.The book was written to the saved not the heathen masses.
1Cor1
1Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
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Nick….it also says GOD is (NO) respecter of Persons. What GOD has done of others He will also do for ALL Mankind and It says ALL Israel shall be saved and GOD has concluded (ALL) under sin that HE might have Mercy on (ALL) . YOUR selective scripture hunting is no the general teaching of GOD'S word. But you are trying to make it fit your theology, of Selective salvation based on your own works. Even if you apply it to the called out ones (NON) of them are not going to be saved are they. So (ALL) who GOD CALLS and choses (WILL) BE SAVED< even if it is (YET BY FIRE) so much for you self works theory.
GB,
You should not apply the words of Paul to the heathen.
Neither should you adapt the lake of fire for the condemned to be just be the testing of the saved.Nick….what makes you so sure your not a heathen, Have you elevated yourself over others. Whats interesting is you equate something to others you think you are not going to recieve. You may be in for a big surprise. But scripture says so you Judge , so shall it be rendered unto you. And again He who condemns anther condemns Himself. Where does it say the literal lake of fire is for the condemned. God said He looked for only ONE righteous and found (NONE). So i gauss that leaves you out also, O i forgot GOD will have mercy on you and throw the rest of His creation into the “lake of Fire”.
Nick….Yes they will have to have there selves put to death in the lake of fire (intense judgement) of God , just like all man kind has to put themselves to death even Jesus did. Jesus said even the tax collectors and prostitutes would (GO) into the kingdom of GOD (BEFORE) the pharisees would., but he did not even leave them out did he, but you do in your misunderstood theologies.
GB,
The second death is what was prepared for the devil and his angels.[mt25]
Not a place of testing of the saved but a place where the soul and body can be destroyed.[mt10]Nick….they put Jesus to (DEATH) what greater crime could they have committed. Where does it say ALL will not be saved then, or is that (YOUR) convictions , not scriptures or Jesus'. All who have not put themselves their WILLS to death in this life will have to physically die the first death, then put there WILLS to death in their next life this is what the second death refers to.
And their bodies will die or be changed just like our will. The devil and his angles are spirit intellects which will be defeated in the lake of fire (intense Judgments of GOD> For our GOD (IS) the consuming FIRE> Common sense should tell you you cant burn up a spirit in a literal fire and also how can (death and Hell) be cast into a literal lake of fire. You have to learn how to view things on a (SPIRITUAL) level, not a CARNAL or PHYSICAL ONE.
Nick….it comes from the SPIRIT, but you wouldn't know about that would you? Show us ONE scripture that says GOD will Throw ONE person into the Lake of Fire to be eternally burned up for all eternity. If you advance such a theory you aught to be able to back it up right. Your the one who practices mysticisms believing in devils and demon beings going around on their own jumping in and out of people causing them to sin , not me.
GB,
Mat 10 shows that the fire can destroy body and soul and we should fear the God that has this power.24The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
26Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
27What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
29Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
We should listen to His Son as He commanded several times, not preferring mystics and scientists..
Nick….i agree thats what (YOU) should do, Head you own word for a change, would be good advice to you.
Hi,
Col123If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
This is the gospel of Jesus Christ
The Gospel of the kingdom.Hi,
How wonderful God gave us one gospel of the kingdom and not several.
He took it first to the chosen prople thorugh His vessel Jesus
Now all can enter, there being no distinction
between jew and gentile.Hi,
The gospel of Jesus Christ is of the kingdom of God.
It is a gospel of grace.Found first in the mouth of Jesus himself towards the Jews it now encompasses the world through servants working in his body.
Jesus taught while under the “Law”, The gospel of the Kingdom. Paul teaches the “Gospel of Grace”. Different era, diffrent gospel.
No biblical scripture saying “the eternal gospel for all”, refuse false teaching.
CO,
Jesus certainly taught about the Law to those who asked.
But he said it was in force only till John.Since then the gospel of the kingdom is preached and men everywhere are forcing their way in.
Hi,
There is only one gospel, that of God and His son and the servants of God..
Romans 1:9
For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.Romans 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.1 Thessalonians 2:2
But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.
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