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- March 6, 2020 at 10:47 am#850440Ed JParticipant
Hi Everyone, Here is my 2nd piece of evidence:
The Apostle Paul’s inspired prophetic words concerning:
(2a) How Muhammad got his start – (2b) the fallen angel Lucifer delivering
the quran to Muhammad (Rev 13:13) and – (2c) Muhammad’s end (how Muhammad died).2a. First Muhammad’s start:
Galatians 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him (the angel) be accursed.Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel
unto you than that ye have received, let him (the man) be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8-9)Verse 8 mentions “an angel” (which the quran names as Jibril) preaches a different gospel.
(This is covered in the opening post “the quranic prophecy”). and verse 9 mentions
“a man” (which happens to be Muhammad) preaching this different gospel.For those who are unfamiliar how Muhammad got his start…
One day when Muhammad was meditating in a cave:He was approached by an angel, who squeezed him and told him to recite.
That means ‘an angel’ (Jibril) taught this man “Muhammad” a different Gospel.
Matching precisely what the Apostle Paul was concerned about by inspired revelation2b. the fallen angel Lucifer delivers the quran to Muhammad (2 Cor 11:14-15)
2 Cor 11:14 “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
(2c) whose end shall be according to their works.” (2 Cor 11:14-15)2c. This wording here is actually quite profound: “whose end shall be according to their works”
Muhammad was 10 for 10 in breaking all of God’s 10 Commandments.
Muhammad later dies from eating poison lamb after suffering terribly for 2 years.But here is the interesting part: Muhammad rejects Jesus as God’s anointed Leader
(called: the Lamb of God) and later dies from eating poison lamb. Quite profound!____________
God bless
Ed JMarch 6, 2020 at 2:15 pm#850442MiiaParticipantDoes nobody here understand the significance of idols in scripture?
People will serve this image of the beast, an image that speaks and works miracles.
Wakey wakey – do we have an image in front of us today which we serve that speaks?
That controls our buying and selling……..
“Oh no it’s not the computer” they all say. It can’t be that, even if it speaks… and is an image.
March 6, 2020 at 2:19 pm#850443MiiaParticipant2nd beast /false prophet /image of the beast same thing?
March 6, 2020 at 9:55 pm#850444BereanParticipantHi miia
“2nd beast /false prophet /image of the beast same thing?”
1- one beast as prophetic symbol
is a king or a kingdom
a civil and political power
or religous/political power (as papacy)
In the context of Revelation 13/17
the 2nd beast WHEN IT SPEAK LIKE A DRAGON is the false prophet and his image.
BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAY IN REVELATION 13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and CAUSETH the earth and them which dwell therein
TO WORSHIP the FIRST BEAST, whose deadly wound was HEALED
The SECOND BEAST THAT WILL TALK LIKE A DRAGON IS APOSTAT PROTESTANT U.S.A
AND THE FIRST BEAST IS THE ROMAN CATOLIC CHURCH/STATE
March 6, 2020 at 10:07 pm#850445MiiaParticipantHi Berean, you said:
The SECOND BEAST THAT WILL TALK LIKE A DRAGON IS APOSTAT PROTESTANT U.S.A
AND THE FIRST BEAST IS THE ROMAN CATOLIC CHURCH/STATE
Wouldn’t the first beast be the Roman Empire (or Rome)?
The second beast USA could fit well (a revived Roman Empire), and the image of (it) = what we see on our screens.
March 6, 2020 at 10:10 pm#850446BereanParticipantHi t d j
I prefer not to deal now with Daniel 11, but first with Daniel 2; 7; 8 with Revelation 12; 13; 14; 17… etc.
First things first.About Mohammed, he’s a false prophet , not the false prophet of Revelation 13 and 16…
the impact of Islam is seen in Revelation 9. This chapter must be understood also because it has a link with Revelation 13…etc.
God bless
March 6, 2020 at 10:35 pm#850447MiiaParticipantYes Revelation 9 Islam
March 6, 2020 at 10:45 pm#850448MiiaParticipantRevelation 9 has the destroyer tormenting those who have the mark of the beast (which is obviously an invisible mark).
They are described in 9:20.
20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.
March 6, 2020 at 10:51 pm#850449MiiaParticipantAnd Revelation 9 says
4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
Muhammad’s companion and first Caliph, Abu Bakr said:
O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well…for your guidance in the battlefield! Do not commit treachery, or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.
March 7, 2020 at 3:52 am#850450BereanParticipant“Wouldn’t the first beast be the Roman Empire?
The second beast USA could fit well (a revived Roman Empire), and the image of (it) = what we see on our screens.”
Hi miia,
Evidence that the Roman Empire of emperors is not the first beast. In Revelation 12, we have the Dragon, which symbolizes both the devil and the pagan and imperial Roman Empire. This is what we see in this chapter 12 when Rome through King Herod tried to put the infant Jesus to death and then the Christian church was persecuted until the in the time of Emperor Constantine.
THEN In chapter 13, we see the beast rising from the sea which has 7 heads and 10 horns crowned like the dragon in chapter 12, but for the dragon the crowns are on the heads, which means that the horns of the time of the Roman Empire did not reign as kings over the Roman Empire. They were simply barbarian tribes more or less serving the Roman Empire as legionaries. But when the Roman Empire became so decadent, these barbarian tribes from the north ransacked the empire and put an end to it (476AD) and they divided the fallen empire among themselves. The beast rose from the sea when a large part of the church apostasized and became a church/state, which persecuted all those who did not follow its corrupt, non-biblical dogmas (538-1798 AD) ……… If you want to understand more at this important subject Go visit this link that I recommend http://www.livingwatersmissionschool.com
March 7, 2020 at 4:47 am#850451BereanParticipantIn REVELATION
1- THE DRAGON SATAN/ROME 4 HEAD CHAPTER 12
2- THE SEA BEAST (FIRST BEAST) 5ND HEAD CHAPTER 13:1-10
3- THE SECOND BEAST BEFORE IT SPEAK LIKE A DRAGON……. (1776 AD) REVELATION 13:11-18 (FUTUR SEVENTH HEAD)
4- THE BEAST THAT ASCENDETH OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT TIME OF THE FRENCH REVOLUTION(REVELATION 11:7) SIXTH HEAD)
5- THE SECOND BEAST OF REVELATION 13 WHEN IT SPEAK LIKE A DRAGON. (SEVENTH HEAD)
6- THE HEIGHT KING FROM THE SEVENTH.( REVELATION 17)PAPACY REVIVED FOR ONE HOUR WITH THE TEN HORNS
March 7, 2020 at 4:51 am#850452BereanParticipantCorrection
4- THE BEAST THAT ASCENDETH OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT TIME OF THE FRENCH REVOLUTION UNTIL TODAY
(REVELATION 11:7) SIXTH HEAD)
March 7, 2020 at 10:28 am#850453BereanParticipantREVELATION 9
verse 4: And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Green = Flourishing (Jer 17:8. In Ps 92:14 “flourishing” means “green.” See margin). Jesus likened Himself to a “green thing.” (Luke 23:31; cf. Jer 17:7-8).
Trees = People good or bad. Here the righteous who are spared.
Trees may represent prominent leading people in comparison to smaller green things. (Ps 37:35; Dan 4:20-22; Eze 31:3).The Seal of God = The Lordʼs seventh day Sabbath as shown in the comments on Rev 7:1-3. History reveals that there have always been observers of the true Sab- bath.
“Grass, green thing, and tree” are here
put in opposition to those men who have not the seal of God etc.. If so, they must mean those who have the seal of God – his worshipers.“. . .Infidels, who rejected the Christian religion, and also all idolaters, they forced to receive the Mahommedan religion [Islam], upon pain of death. But Jews and Christians, who had their Bibles and their religion, they left to the enjoyment of them, upon their paying large sums, which they exacted. But where the payment of such sums was refused, they must either embrace the new religion or die.” Smiths Key to Revelation.
The warriors of Islam were commanded to tolerate sabbath-keeping Christians, green things, and to hurt those without the seal of God. The following indicates that a certain class, possibly shaven Sunday-keeping monks, were destroyed by Islam:
Abubeker, Mohammedʼs successor, is said to have given the following command as his troops prepared to conquer Syria in AD623:
“When you fight the battles of the Lord, acquit yourselves like men, without turn- ing your backs; but let not your victory be stained with the blood of women and children. Destroy no palm trees nor burn any fields of corn. Cut down no fruit trees, nor do any mischief to cattle, only such as you kill to eat…you will find people, that be- long to the synagogue of Satan, who have SHAVEN CROWNS; be sure you CLEAVE THEIR SKULLS, and give them no quarter till they either turn Mohammedan or pay tribute.” E. Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Chap. LI, par. 10.
While the grass, green things and trees here symbolized those with the seal of God it is remarkable that Abubekerʼs commanded his men not to hurt literal grass (corn) or trees (fruit trees) as well!
Those with shaven crowns sound like some class of monks. As the Roman church has robbed the law of God of its Seal, by tearing out the seventh day Sabbath and replacing it with their Sunday, they are appropri- atelly described as those without the Seal of God.
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God bless
March 7, 2020 at 10:05 pm#850457Ed JParticipant(2a) How Muhammad got his start – (2b) the fallen angel Lucifer delivering the quran
to Muhammad OPENING POST (Rev 13:13) and – (2c) Muhammad’s end (how Muhammad died).2a. First Muhammad’s start:
Galatians 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him (the angel) be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel
unto you than that ye have received, let him (the man) be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8-9)2b. the fallen angel Lucifer delivers the quran to Muhammad as the angel Jibril (2 Cor 11:14-15)
2 Cor 11:14 “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light (Jibril).
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
(2c) whose end shall be according to their works.” (2 Cor 11:14-15)THE FALSE PROPHET Muhammad’s end
Muhammad later dies from eating poison lamb after suffering terribly for 2 years.
Muhammad rejects Jesus as the Lamb of God and later dies from eating poison lamb!March 7, 2020 at 10:11 pm#850458Ed JParticipant“Oh no it’s not the computer” they all say. It can’t be that, even if it speaks… and is an image.
Hi Miia,
If the computer is so bad, why are you using it?
Certainly there is an error in your wordsMarch 7, 2020 at 10:15 pm#850459Ed JParticipantHi Everyone,
So far I have presented 2 pieces of evidence showing that Muhammad is the false prophet of rev…
…I have a lot more coming your way.
It would be nice if you would address the things I present
instead of regurgitating your past preconceived ideasIn his service… YHVH
March 7, 2020 at 10:34 pm#850460Ed JParticipantHi Miia,
Here you state you are against computers, yet you are using a Computer?
In the past you stated you would eat the ramadon meal with Muslims who ask.
Know ye not that ramadon is the celebration of Muhammad receiving the quran?
Why would you support such evil? Instead you should follow what the bible instructs:6 Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats:
7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.
8 The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.” (Prov 23:6-8)____________
God bless
Ed JMarch 7, 2020 at 11:00 pm#850461MiiaParticipantHi Miia,
If the computer is so bad, why are you using it?
Certainly there is an error in your wordsHi Ed.
I could give my internet up any day.
March 7, 2020 at 11:03 pm#850462MiiaParticipantHi Miia,
In the past you stated you would eat the ramadon meal with Muslims who ask.
Know ye not that ramadon is the celebration of Muhammad receiving the quran?
Why would you support such evil? Instead you should follow what the bible instructs:6 Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats:
7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.
8 The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.” (Prov 23:6-8)Follow the example of Yeshua.
March 7, 2020 at 11:10 pm#850463MiiaParticipantHi miia,
Evidence that the Roman Empire of emperors is not the first beast. In Revelation 12, we have the Dragon, which symbolizes both the devil and the pagan and imperial Roman Empire. This is what we see in this chapter 12 when Rome through King Herod tried to put the infant Jesus to death and then the Christian church was persecuted until the in the time of Emperor Constantine.
THEN In chapter 13, we see the beast rising from the sea which has 7 heads and 10 horns crowned like the dragon in chapter 12, but for the dragon the crowns are on the heads, which means that the horns of the time of the Roman Empire did not reign as kings over the Roman Empire. They were simply barbarian tribes more or less serving the Roman Empire as legionaries. But when the Roman Empire became so decadent, these barbarian tribes from the north ransacked the empire and put an end to it (476AD) and they divided the fallen empire among themselves. The beast rose from the sea when a large part of the church apostasized and became a church/state, which persecuted all those who did not follow its corrupt, non-biblical dogmas (538-1798 AD) ……… If you want to understand more at this important subject Go visit this link that I recommend http://www.livingwatersmissionschool.com
Hi Berean,
Chapter 12 and 13 I will re read them, but Revelation contains recapitulation.
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