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Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 08 2013,18:46) Do you see that the Word of the LORD came to Abraham in a VISION and also brought Abraham forth abroad and talked to Abraham? Also, notice that Abraham called the Word of the LORD, “LORD God?”
You are completely missing the point of the New Testament Kathi. It is the revelation of the messiah and son of God.Men in the Old Testament often said the Lord God when it was in actual fact the angel of the LORD or even once when it was Satan.
And when the LORD God walked with Adam, I am guessing that was Jesus.
The point is that we have the son revealed to us now which was a mystery. We are privileged to know this. But you are acting like a Pharisee and sticking to the old and not embracing the new at all.
Who has bewitched you? Yourself perhaps? Because God is eternal and is not contained in a body, not even the Heavens and Earth can contain him. He always sends representatives and those representatives are called God by men in the Old Testament.
So is it wrong that people in the Old Testament called the Angel of the LORD, God? I don't think so because it is God speaking through them. This is how he talks to people. This is how he visits them. As it is written “He rode upon a cherub and flew; And He sped upon the wings of the wind.”. Not to say that he is that Cherub, but that he is represented by many and in many.
Hence why we also see that verse. “God was in Christ redeeming the world back to himself”.
You have little understanding of these things and that is because you have a habit of rejecting truth just as you will do now. You are so full of your own understanding that you have left little room if any, for truth. Rejecting truth is not wise. It is throwing away pearls, something that animals might do.
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 15 2013,11:27) Yep and God's own 'Arm' is His own strength with which He gains for us, our salvation. Hallelujah!! 
I HAVE TO SHAKE MY HEAD YOU ARE UNBELIEVABLE ,no insight at all
terraricca,
Who is the 'I' in this passage:Isaiah 63
1Who is this coming from Edom,from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson?
Who is this, robed in splendor,
striding forward in the greatness of his strength?
“It is I, proclaiming victory,
mighty to save.”
2Why are your garments red,
like those of one treading the winepress?
3“I have trodden the winepress alone;
from the nations no one was with me.
I trampled them in my anger
and trod them down in my wrath;
their blood spattered my garments,
and I stained all my clothing.
4It was for me the day of vengeance;
the year for me to redeem had come.
5I looked, but there was no one to help,
I was appalled that no one gave support;
so my own arm achieved salvation for me,
and my own wrath sustained me.
6I trampled the nations in my anger;
in my wrath I made them drunk
and poured their blood on the ground.”
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 15 2013,02:24) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 08 2013,18:46) Do you see that the Word of the LORD came to Abraham in a VISION and also brought Abraham forth abroad and talked to Abraham? Also, notice that Abraham called the Word of the LORD, “LORD God?”
You are completely missing the point of the New Testament Kathi. It is the revelation of the messiah and son of God.Men in the Old Testament often said the Lord God when it was in actual fact the angel of the LORD or even once when it was Satan.
And when the LORD God walked with Adam, I am guessing that was Jesus.
The point is that we have the son revealed to us now which was a mystery. We are privileged to know this. But you are acting like a Pharisee and sticking to the old and not embracing the new at all.
Who has bewitched you? Yourself perhaps? Because God is eternal and is not contained in a body, not even the Heavens and Earth can contain him. He always sends representatives and those representatives are called God by men in the Old Testament.
So is it wrong that people in the Old Testament called the Angel of the LORD, God? I don't think so because it is God speaking through them. This is how he talks to people. This is how he visits them. As it is written “He rode upon a cherub and flew; And He sped upon the wings of the wind.”. Not to say that he is that Cherub, but that he is represented by many and in many.
Hence why we also see that verse. “God was in Christ redeeming the world back to himself”.
You have little understanding of these things and that is because you have a habit of rejecting truth just as you will do now. You are so full of your own understanding that you have left little room if any, for truth. Rejecting truth is not wise. It is throwing away pearls, something that animals might do.
t8,
There is a difference in being referred to as 'elohim' and for the writer referring to the speaker as YHVH/LORD. If the speaker calls themselves YHVH, they would be blaspheming if it were not so. Or if the writer refers to the person as YHVH but they weren't YHVH, then they would not be writing with inspiration. However, when the characters in the story call someone YHVH or Elohim or even an angel, then they are speaking from a limited perspective and are not necessarily inspired by the Spirit.So, where in scriptures does the speaker them self, claim to be YHVH (not elohim or lord but YHVH) and you don't believe that is true?
Do you see that the speaker that is appearing in a vision in Gen 15 is claiming to be YHVH? Are you denying that the speaker in the vision is who He says He is?
1After these things the word of Yahweh came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Don't be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”
2Abram said, “Lord Yahweh, what will you give me, since I go childless, and he who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3Abram said, “Behold, to me you have given no seed: and, behold, one born in my house is my heir.” 4Behold, the word of Yahweh came to him, saying, “This man will not be your heir, but he who will come forth out of your own body will be your heir.” 5Yahweh brought him outside, and said, “Look now toward the sky, and count the stars, if you are able to count them.” He said to Abram, “So shall your seed be.” 6He believed in Yahweh; and he reckoned it to him for righteousness. 7He said to him, “I am Yahweh who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give you this land to inherit it.”
8He said, “Lord Yahweh, how will I know that I will inherit it?” 9He said to him, “Bring me a heifer three years old, a female goat three years old, a ram three years old, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10He brought him all of these, and divided them in the middle, and laid each half opposite the other; but he didn't divide the birds. 11The birds of prey came down on the carcasses, and Abram drove them away.
12When the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell on Abram. Now terror and great darkness fell on him. 13He said to Abram, “Know for sure that your seed will live as foreigners in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them. They will afflict them four hundred years. 14I will also judge that nation, whom they will serve. Afterward they will come out with great wealth, 15but you will go to your fathers in peace. You will be buried in a good old age. 16In the fourth generation they will come here again, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet full.”
17It came to pass that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold, a smoking furnace, and a flaming torch passed between these pieces.
18In that day Yahweh made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your seed I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates:
Quote The point is that we have the son revealed to us now which was a mystery. We are privileged to know this. But you are acting like a Pharisee and sticking to the old and not embracing the new at all. I see the NT to be revealing who the Word of YHVH is that called Himself YHVH…it is the Son of God. And the Son of God is revealing that He is not the Father YHVH but the Son who also has the name YHVH. The NT reveals two who are called YHVH that are one.
Kathy
Quote terraricca,
Who is the 'I' in this passage:Isaiah 63
1Who is this coming from Edom,the “I” his God but the one that comes fulfilling the plan his Christ ,AND CHRIST CAME INTO HIS FATHER NAME ,GOT IT
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
because the LORD has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,
Isa 61:2 to proclaim the year of the LORD'S favor
and the day of vengeance of our God,
to comfort all who mourn,
Isa 61:3 and provide for those who grieve in Zion—
to bestow on them a crown of beauty
instead of ashes,
the oil of gladness
instead of mourning,
and a garment of praise
instead of a spirit of despair.
They will be called oaks of righteousness,
a planting of the LORD
for the display of his splendorHe entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.
LK 4:17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,
LK 4:18 “THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,
BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR.
HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES,
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND,
TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,
LK 4:19 TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.”LK 4:21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”
so within the light of the truth ALL IS THE WILL OF GOD ALMIGHTY AND CHRIST HIS SON BRING IT INTO FULFILLMENT,SO ALL OF ISAIAH 61-62-63 AND MANY MORE ARE ABOUT THE FULFILLMENT OF WHAT GOD THE FATHER SAID LONG AGO AND USES HIS ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST ALSO KNOWN AS “THE WORD “OF GOD ,ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WHATEVER IS DONE TO CHRIST HIS SON IS IN REALITY DONE TO GOD ALMIGHTY BECAUSE CHRIST IS THE ONE THAT CAME IN THE NAME OF HIS FATHER ,
AND IT IS TO HIM (JESUS) THAT HE GIVE STRENGTH AND POWER TO DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO BE FULFILLED
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 15 2013,18:24) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 08 2013,18:46) Do you see that the Word of the LORD came to Abraham in a VISION and also brought Abraham forth abroad and talked to Abraham? Also, notice that Abraham called the Word of the LORD, “LORD God?”
You are completely missing the point of the New Testament Kathi. It is the revelation of the messiah and son of God.Men in the Old Testament often said the Lord God when it was in actual fact the angel of the LORD or even once when it was Satan.
And when the LORD God walked with Adam, I am guessing that was Jesus.
The point is that we have the son revealed to us now which was a mystery. We are privileged to know this. But you are acting like a Pharisee and sticking to the old and not embracing the new at all.
Who has bewitched you? Yourself perhaps? Because God is eternal and is not contained in a body, not even the Heavens and Earth can contain him. He always sends representatives and those representatives are called God by men in the Old Testament.
So is it wrong that people in the Old Testament called the Angel of the LORD, God? I don't think so because it is God speaking through them. This is how he talks to people. This is how he visits them. As it is written “He rode upon a cherub and flew; And He sped upon the wings of the wind.”. Not to say that he is that Cherub, but that he is represented by many and in many.
Hence why we also see that verse. “God was in Christ redeeming the world back to himself”.
You have little understanding of these things and that is because you have a habit of rejecting truth just as you will do now. You are so full of your own understanding that you have left little room if any, for truth. Rejecting truth is not wise. It is throwing away pearls, something that animals might do.
T8……….The “MYSTERY was “HOW” God was “IN” Christ Jesus reconciling the World unto “HIMSELF”. You or no one here KNOWS “HOW” God does that.Another false teaching of your is saying that God does not Speak but uses only only Messengers Like Angels ETC. Wrong again, God Spoke DIRECTLY “TO” and “IN” and “THROUGH” his Servants, the Prophets and Jesus. Just as Scripture say He did, For God “WHO SPOKE” in times Past through the Prophets Has in these ladder days “SPOKEN” through a SON> Can't you see it was Still God who “WAS” Speaking “THROUGH” THEM. God is a Spirit He can do that , you or I or Jesus can't do that only a Sprit can speak through a Person “IT” is “IN”> When are you guys going to get that?
Your problem is you have no idea what a Spirit is, or what “IT” can DO> Several time it, was not Jesus Who was Speaking But God the Father HIMSELF Speaking> directly to us “IN” the person Jesus Via the Anointing SPIRIT that was “IN” HIM and that Anointing was GOD the Father himself. Who is a Spirit and was and is “IN” the Man Jesus, and can indwell us also just as he did Jesus.
T8… God is OMNIPRESENT He is everywhere you can't even think something and He doesn't know it . Your trying to make God into some kind of Human Image you have of Him. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Gene
Quote T8……….The “MYSTERY was “HOW” God was “IN” Christ Jesus reconciling the World unto “HIMSELF”. You or no one here KNOWS “HOW” God does that. prove it in scriptures
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 19 2013,17:18) Kathy Quote terraricca,
Who is the 'I' in this passage:Isaiah 63
1Who is this coming from Edom,the “I” his God but the one that comes fulfilling the plan his Christ ,AND CHRIST CAME INTO HIS FATHER NAME ,GOT IT
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
because the LORD has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,
Isa 61:2 to proclaim the year of the LORD'S favor
and the day of vengeance of our God,
to comfort all who mourn,
Isa 61:3 and provide for those who grieve in Zion—
to bestow on them a crown of beauty
instead of ashes,
the oil of gladness
instead of mourning,
and a garment of praise
instead of a spirit of despair.
They will be called oaks of righteousness,
a planting of the LORD
for the display of his splendorHe entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.
LK 4:17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,
LK 4:18 “THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,
BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR.
HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES,
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND,
TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,
LK 4:19 TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.”LK 4:21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”
so within the light of the truth ALL IS THE WILL OF GOD ALMIGHTY AND CHRIST HIS SON BRING IT INTO FULFILLMENT,SO ALL OF ISAIAH 61-62-63 AND MANY MORE ARE ABOUT THE FULFILLMENT OF WHAT GOD THE FATHER SAID LONG AGO AND USES HIS ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST ALSO KNOWN AS “THE WORD “OF GOD ,ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WHATEVER IS DONE TO CHRIST HIS SON IS IN REALITY DONE TO GOD ALMIGHTY BECAUSE CHRIST IS THE ONE THAT CAME IN THE NAME OF HIS FATHER ,
AND IT IS TO HIM (JESUS) THAT HE GIVE STRENGTH AND POWER TO DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO BE FULFILLED
Jesus is not only the 'Shoot' but also the 'Root.' The 'I' is YHVH, the Son, as the 'Root' and He fulfills the prophecy as the 'Shoot/offspring of David.'Jesus is God and man. The Root and the Shoot.
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,10:32) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 19 2013,17:18) Kathy Quote terraricca,
Who is the 'I' in this passage:Isaiah 63
1Who is this coming from Edom,the “I” his God but the one that comes fulfilling the plan his Christ ,AND CHRIST CAME INTO HIS FATHER NAME ,GOT IT
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
because the LORD has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,
Isa 61:2 to proclaim the year of the LORD'S favor
and the day of vengeance of our God,
to comfort all who mourn,
Isa 61:3 and provide for those who grieve in Zion—
to bestow on them a crown of beauty
instead of ashes,
the oil of gladness
instead of mourning,
and a garment of praise
instead of a spirit of despair.
They will be called oaks of righteousness,
a planting of the LORD
for the display of his splendorHe entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.
LK 4:17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,
LK 4:18 “THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,
BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR.
HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES,
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND,
TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,
LK 4:19 TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.”LK 4:21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”
so within the light of the truth ALL IS THE WILL OF GOD ALMIGHTY AND CHRIST HIS SON BRING IT INTO FULFILLMENT,SO ALL OF ISAIAH 61-62-63 AND MANY MORE ARE ABOUT THE FULFILLMENT OF WHAT GOD THE FATHER SAID LONG AGO AND USES HIS ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST ALSO KNOWN AS “THE WORD “OF GOD ,ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WHATEVER IS DONE TO CHRIST HIS SON IS IN REALITY DONE TO GOD ALMIGHTY BECAUSE CHRIST IS THE ONE THAT CAME IN THE NAME OF HIS FATHER ,
AND IT IS TO HIM (JESUS) THAT HE GIVE STRENGTH AND POWER TO DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO BE FULFILLED
Jesus is not only the 'Shoot' but also the 'Root.' The 'I' is YHVH, the Son, as the 'Root' and He fulfills the prophecy as the 'Shoot/offspring of David.'Jesus is God and man. The Root and the Shoot.
Kathyno ,that is not true ,but you want it to be that ,because that is what YOU like,
either all prophecies are fulfilled in truth or the all ARE falls
you can not have one good and the other wrong ,
THE TRUTH IS TRUE ALL THE WAY ,;;GOD CAN NOT LIE ;;
SO YOU ARE WRONG
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2013,13:24) Gene Quote T8……….The “MYSTERY was “HOW” God was “IN” Christ Jesus reconciling the World unto “HIMSELF”. You or no one here KNOWS “HOW” God does that. prove it in scriptures
Terricca……….Here is you request,1Ti 3:16……> And without controversy great is the Mystery of godliness God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of Angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
The Mystery is that God was 'IN” the Flesh man Jesus , just as Jesus said he Was over and over. God's Presence “IN” Jesus ,was and is the “MYSTERY”.
Why a Mystery ?, Because you or I or anyone else does not know “HOW” God can do that. How He can Be “IN” a PERSON and even Speak “THROUGH” that Person. If you know how then please tell us Pierre I would like to know your version of how that is Done.
peace and love to you and your Pierre………………………..gene
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 20 2013,22:32) The 'I' is YHVH, the Son, as the 'Root' and He fulfills the prophecy as the 'Shoot/offspring of David.'
Kathi,The “I” in the passage has his garments stained with the blood of the ones he destroyed – not his own blood.
How does that link to Jesus, the offspring of David?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 23 2013,21:58) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2013,13:24) Gene Quote T8……….The “MYSTERY was “HOW” God was “IN” Christ Jesus reconciling the World unto “HIMSELF”. You or no one here KNOWS “HOW” God does that. prove it in scriptures
Terricca……….Here is you request,1Ti 3:16……> And without controversy great is the Mystery of godliness God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of Angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
The Mystery is that God was 'IN” the Flesh man Jesus , just as Jesus said he Was over and over. God's Presence “IN” Jesus ,was and is the “MYSTERY”.
Why a Mystery ?, Because you or I or anyone else does not know “HOW” God can do that. How He can Be “IN” a PERSON and even Speak “THROUGH” that Person. If you know how then please tell us Pierre I would like to know your version of how that is Done.
peace and love to you and your Pierre………………………..gene
gene1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;KJVQuote The Mystery is that God was 'IN” the Flesh man Jesus , just as Jesus said he Was over and over. God's Presence “IN” Jesus ,was and is the “MYSTERY”. so let see if you are true
scripture says ; 1)And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; what does it mean
2)God was manifest in the flesh; what this mean
3)justified in the Spirit,how can it be justified I mean the presence of God
4) seen of angels; how ,when ,where,???
5) preached unto the Gentiles ;what was it that was preached to the gentiles about the mystery
6)believed on in the world,; how's that7)received up into glory ; whom was Paul talking about
please answer the questions and so let me see if you are still true ,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2013,11:07) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 20 2013,22:32) The 'I' is YHVH, the Son, as the 'Root' and He fulfills the prophecy as the 'Shoot/offspring of David.'
Kathi,The “I” in the passage has his garments stained with the blood of the ones he destroyed – not his own blood.
How does that link to Jesus, the offspring of David?
Rev 19
11Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.That is how it is linked to Jesus.
Who do you say is the 'I' in the passage?
In the Rev passage, Jesus is clothed in a robe that is covered with HIS OWN blood. (cf Rev 5:6)
In Isaiah 63, the subject is covered with the blood of those he killed.
Mike,
Compare Isaiah 63 with Rev 19:Isa 63
1Who is this coming from Edom,from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson?
Who is this, robed in splendor,
striding forward in the greatness of his strength?
“It is I, proclaiming victory,
mighty to save.”
2Why are your garments red,
like those of one treading the winepress?
3“I have trodden the winepress alone;
from the nations no one was with me.
I trampled them in my anger
and trod them down in my wrath;
their blood spattered my garments,
and I stained all my clothing.
4It was for me the day of vengeance;
the year for me to redeem had come.
5I looked, but there was no one to help,
I was appalled that no one gave support;
so my own arm achieved salvation for me,
and my own wrath sustained me.
6I trampled the nations in my anger;
in my wrath I made them drunk
and poured their blood on the ground.”
Rev 19
11Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.
12His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself.
13He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.
14And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses.
15From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
16On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.In Rev 5:6, there is nothing said about a robe although Jesus was given a purple robe with a crown of thorns when He was arrested. That robe that He was given did not have any names on it as the robe in Rev 19. So, I do not believe the blood stains on the robe in Rev 19 have anything to do with Jesus' own blood when He was the Lamb that was slain.
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,07:30) Mike,
Compare Isaiah 63 with Rev 19:Isa 63
1Who is this coming from Edom,from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson?
Who is this, robed in splendor,
striding forward in the greatness of his strength?
“It is I, proclaiming victory,
mighty to save.”
2Why are your garments red,
like those of one treading the winepress?
3“I have trodden the winepress alone;
from the nations no one was with me.
I trampled them in my anger
and trod them down in my wrath;
their blood spattered my garments,
and I stained all my clothing.
4It was for me the day of vengeance;
the year for me to redeem had come.
5I looked, but there was no one to help,
I was appalled that no one gave support;
so my own arm achieved salvation for me,
and my own wrath sustained me.
6I trampled the nations in my anger;
in my wrath I made them drunk
and poured their blood on the ground.”
Rev 19
11Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.
12His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself.
13He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.
14And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses.
15From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
16On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.In Rev 5:6, there is nothing said about a robe although Jesus was given a purple robe with a crown of thorns when He was arrested. That robe that He was given did not have any names on it as the robe in Rev 19. So, I do not believe the blood stains on the robe in Rev 19 have anything to do with Jesus' own blood when He was the Lamb that was slain.
Lightenup.True; isaiah 63=rev.19. his vengence,the blood is of his enemies. He is on war path.
Edom=babylon the great.
Edom is the land of Esau,and he sold his inheritance for a bowl of pottage. And so did babylon; selling their inheritance
for the material.Bosrah was the fortified city in Edom.
wakeup.
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2013,14:30) Mike,
Compare Isaiah 63 with Rev 19:
Why are your garments red?I have trodden the winepress alone……..their blood spattered my garments, and I stained all my clothing.
Notice how this person has garments stained with OTHER PEOPLE'S blood, because he has ALREADY trodden the winepress.
He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood…….. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
Notice how this person is already bloody BEFORE he treads the winepress. Also notice that “God the Almighty” is distinguished as someone OTHER THAN this person.
Kathi, while I admire your search into the scriptures to find hidden treasures, I can't help but notice that you go way out of your way to find any little tidbit that you can “sway” into saying Jesus is God Almighty – all the while ignoring the many CLEAR scriptures that say we have ONE Almighty God, and Jesus is not Him, but His SERVANT.
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