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Gene:
Me:
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I AM THE RESURRECTION, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live::
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of MYSELF I have power to lay it down, and I HAVE THE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Me: The Word in Christ raised up the man Yeshua form the dead, as commanded by his Father.
Romans 8:11 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Me: Doesn’t the spirit of life in verse 11 refers to the spirit in Christ. Is it our heavenly father that raises you up from the dead or does Christ say that he is the resurrection? So, the Word in Christ raised him up by the command of his Father (John 10:18 above).
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Me: The spirit in the father is the same spirit in the Word. Did the Word in the Messiah die? The Word is God (John 1:1-2) and therefore does not die. Our heavenly Father raised the man Jesus from the dead through his Word by commanding him to do so.
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1350.cfmLuke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Me: Christ committed his spirit (the holy spirit) to his Father who commanded the Word in him to raise the man Jesus from the dead.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. 18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Me: The Father and his image or Word are one and the same person. The reprobate Jews understood that Christ was calling himself God–but you Gene do not understand this.
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, AND God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/galatians/1-1.htmMe: Jesus Christ together with his Father as one raised the man Christ from the dead.
You: TC your so far off base you haven’t even begun to understand the truth yet.
Me: No, but I have not even begun to understand your arrogance, ignorance and stupidity. It is deep indeed.
Gene,
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
You: Lets try to keep the answers shorter and more specific if you can.
One more question though, do you believe this, JESUS SAID speaking to GOD THE FATHER, “that they might know (YOU) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus who you have sent”. Did you see the words (YOU) that means someone other then the one speaking, And he said that person was the “ONLY” TRUE GOD. Now if GOD the Father is the (ONLY TRUE GOD) then obviously there can be (NO OTHER ) TRUE GOD. question is do you truly believe JESUS?Me:
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
Me: Christ did not bear witness of himself or his testimony of himself would not be true. John, for one, bore witness of the Messiah.
John 5:32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
John 1;6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe…8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Me: John bored witness that Christ was the true light in the world. If the light was now in the world, it means that the light existed in heaven before he existed in the world.
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Me: No one has seen or heard the father at any time, therefore, the Word in the Messiah spoke his words and that bored witness from the Father that Christ is the expressed image of God.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true (the Father), and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Me: The Father and son are one. Both are truly one God
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Gene, is it Christ that is a liar? If not, he is true. He is the Son of God…of man. He is God’s only true Son revealed in flesh.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared.
Me: If a body was prepared for the Word who became one with flesh, then the Word must have existed prior without a permanent body.
TC……YOUR MAJOR PROBLEM , Your get the “MAN” Jesus, mixed up with the WORD CHRIST, you present the man Jesus as the Christ himself, he is not the ANOINT-ING, HE IS THE ANOUNT-ED ONE. BIG DIFFERENCE .
God the father is the anoint-er he is THE ANOINTING SPIRIT, and he by way of that Anointing was “in” the “MAN” Jesus. If you look up the original Greek text it will nearly alway say JESUS THE ANOINTED ONE, or the ANOUNTED. The anointing is the word of God because it is GOD, who is spirit, God the Father was “IN” the man Jesus , so, so was also the word, why? because the Word “IS” God . But all of that never made the “MAN” Jesus the “word” or a God either.
Jesus never raised himself from the Grave, HE COULDN’T he was Dead, and if God the Father never raised him up, he still would be dead to this very day. It was God speaking through Jesus’ mouth that said ” if you destory this temple in three days I (God) shall raise it up. That was not Jesus’ speaking there. But God the Father speaking first person through Jesus’ mouth.
He that has eyes to see let him see.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Gene,
You said: TC……YOUR MAJOR PROBLEM , Your get the “MAN” Jesus, mixed up with the WORD CHRIST, you present the man Jesus as the Christ himself, he is not the ANOINT-ING, HE IS THE ANOUNT-ED ONE. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Me: Good Grief! Your MAJOR PROBLEM is that you misrepresent what others are saying. Where did I ever say Christ was the anointing one—no where? Show me. I had given you the definition of Jesus Christ numerous times. Again:
http://www.hebrew-streams.org/frontstuff/jesus-yeshua.html
Quote:
“The Hebrew Meaning of “Jesus”
Hoshea → Yehoshua → Yeshua…
In the Hebrew Bible “Yeho-” is a prefix form of God’s name…
Thus, linguistically, the name “Yehoshua—Yeshua—Jesus” conveys the idea that God delivers, saves, rescues — eventually through his servant Messiah, who bears God’s name.”Me:
Phil 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a SERVANT, and was made in the likeness of men: 9 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus (Yehoshua = YHWH) every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Me: Wasn’t the name Jesus given to the Messiah at his birth. This is the anointing (Christ). He then is granted this name after his resurrection and ascension into heaven. The Messiah did not need to save himself. He wanted and did become the salvation of mankind.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Me: The Word was of the glory with God and was God before all creation. The Word is one with the seed of David and this combination is now the Word.
Gene:
Me:
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit (4151. pneuma) of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/ephesians/4-30.htm
Definition of Spirit: G 4151. pneuma
Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance
spirit, ghost
From pneo; a current of air, i.e. Breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit — ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), MIND. Compare psuche.Old Testament definition of Spirit:
7307. ruach: NASB Translation
air (2), anger (1), blast (2), breath (31), breathless* (1), cool (1), courage (1), despondency* (1), exposed (1), grief* (1), heart (1), inspired (1),MIND (3), motives (1), points (1), quick-tempered* (1), side (4), sides (2), Spirit (76), spirit (127), spirits (3), strength (1), temper (2), thoughts* (1), trustworthy* (1), wind (98), winds (7), windy (2), wrath (1).
.You: Jesus never raised himself from the Grave, HE COULDN’T he was Dead, and if God the Father never raised him up, he still would be dead to this very day. It was God speaking through Jesus’ mouth that said ” if you destory this temple in three days I (God) shall raise it up. That was not Jesus’ speaking there. But God the Father speaking first person through Jesus’ mouth.
Me: The spirit of God came from the mind of God that was in the Messiah’s mind that had two aspects of it—the “Word” AND the “human mind” from the seed of David. The human mind and body died, not the mind of the Word which is the expressed image of our heavenly Father. This mind (the Word) is God and does not die. It is God’s mind expressed in the Messiah.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/10-17.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/10-18.htm
John 10:17 (Bible Hub) Because of this me the Father loves because I lay down the life of me that again I might take it. 18 No one takes it from me but I lay it down of myself Authority I have to lay it down and Authority I have again to take it This command I received from the Father of me.
Me: What you said doesn’t make a bit of sense. Did the Father say that he was going to lay down his life? No, it is Christ that was going to lay down his human life. This command he had from his Father.
Gene:
You: God the father is the anoint-er he is THE ANOINTING SPIRIT, and he by way of that Anointing was “in” the “MAN” Jesus. If you look up the original Greek text it will nearly alway say JESUS THE ANOINTED ONE, or the ANOUNTED. The anointing is the word of God because it is GOD, who is spirit, God the Father was “IN” the man Jesus , so, so was also the word, why? because the Word “IS” God . But all of that never made the “MAN” Jesus the “word” or a God either.
Me:Quote: “Even though prophets and priests were anointed, the phrase “anointed one” or “the Lord’s anointed” was most often used to refer to a king. For instance, David used it many times to refer to King Saul, even when Saul was trying to murder David and David was on the verge of killing Saul to defend himself:… The overriding biblical imagery of the word “Messiah” or “Christ” is that of a king chosen by God…
Jesus as the Christ
the gospels use cultural images of kingship to proclaim Jesus as the Christ, God’s anointed King who has come. When a king arose with great power, other kingdoms would send emissaries with lavish gifts to establish a friendly relationship with the future leader. This is what is happening in Matthew 2, when wise men come to bring gifts to Christ, the newborn king whose star they have seen in the east…And, during Jesus’ trial, the main question that he is asked is “Are you the King of the Jews?”, which he answered affirmatively: And they began to accuse him, saying, “We found this man misleading our nation and forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ, a King.” So Pilate asked him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?” And he answered him and said, “It is as you say.” (Luke 23:2-3…This has implications about how we define ourselves as Christians. Usually, we talk in terms of doctrines and beliefs, but the very word “Christ” calls us to more than assenting to a creed. If Christ means King, a Christian is one who considers Jesus his Lord and King, and submits to his reign….
Me: Christ is anointed by God to be king and high priest.Article continued: “To use the word “Lord” displays an attitude of obedient submission to a greater power. Jesus seems even to expect that those who call him Lord obey him. To his listeners he asked, “Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?” (Luke 6:46). To call him “Lord” or to call him Jesus “Christ” is to say that he is the King that God has sent who has a right to reign over us.”
Me: The Messiah is not just another one of the boys. He is our Lord and Master. He was anointed by God to be this.
Gene
You: Jesus never raised himself from the Grave, HE COULDN’T he was Dead, and if God the Father never raised him up, he still would be dead to this very day. It was God speaking through Jesus’ mouth that said ” if you destory this temple in three days I (God) shall raise it up. That was not Jesus’ speaking there. But God the Father speaking first person through Jesus’ mouth.
Me:
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of MYSELF I have power to lay it down, and I HAVE THE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Me: Your reasoning doesn’t compute. Was the Father talking to himself when he said he “This commandment have I received of my Father?” Was he Schizophrenia? Did the Father in Christ lay down his life? Big NO to all of this. It was Christ that received a command from his Father to lay down his human life and body.
TC……yes JESUS DID RECIEVE COMMANDMENT FROM THE FATHER, that he could sacrifice his life or keep it , the final choice was his. But when he chose to lay down his life, he truly did that and it was God the Father who raised him from the grave, not himself.
You say no big deal, but in fact it is a big deal, because the way you prexisteners present it, it makes JESUS as the one who raised himself from the grave. That not what scriptures say.
Again this is an example of “mystery religion” at work. Forcing scriptures to say what in fact they are not saying right?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
TC…..YES God anointed many people before JESUE and after , king Saul, King DAVID, MOSES, the seventy Elders, JOSHUA, ALL THE PROPHETS were anointed by GOD. AND AFTER Jesus all true Saints are also anointed by GOD.
As far as Lords (adoni) goes there are thousands if not millions then even this day, all judges, presidents, kings, any kind of ruler, or magstrate is a lord (adoni), but there is ONE LORD (ADONIA) that is GOD ALMIGHTY, and NO, other.
Peace and love to you and yours ………gene
Gene:
You said: TC……yes JESUS DID RECIEVE COMMANDMENT FROM THE FATHER, that he could sacrifice his life or keep it , the final choice was his. But when he chose to lay down his life, he truly did that and it was God the Father who raised him from the grave, not himself.
Me: No Gene, Christ came down to earth to do the will of his Father which was agreed upon before the Word came down to earth and became one with flesh.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Me: The decision of the Messiah to give his life was done way before Jordon. The choice was not his but his Father’s.
You: yes JESUS DID RECIEVE COMMANDMENT FROM THE FATHER, that he could sacrifice his life or keep it , the final choice was his. But when he chose to lay down his life,
Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because….. I….. lay down my life, that…..I.…. might take it again. 17 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Me: Do these past verses suggest to you that the final choice was the Messiah’s? The Messiah is the Father expressed. He is the son of God.
You: “could sacrifice his life or keep it , the final choice was his. But when he chose to lay down his life, he truly did that and it was God the Father who raised him from the grave, not himself.
Me:
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Me: In the prior post, you said that it was the Father speaking in Christ that spoke the words in John 10:18. Now you are saying that Christ had the power to lay it down, but the Father raises it up. Only one person in John 10:18 is speaking about laying his life down and taking it up. It cannot be that Christ is speaking the first part and his Father the second part in the same sentence. Don’t believe Nick that you shouldn’t use logic but rely on osmosis. It doesn’t work.
You said: You say no big deal, but in fact it is a big deal, because the way you prexisteners present it, it makes JESUS as the one who raised himself from the grave. That not what scriptures say.
Me: I have never said no big deal. The Word (John 1:1-2) in the Messiah (John 1:14) rose his own human mind and body from the grave. I just showed it to you. The Word in the Messiah raised the human mind and body up from the dead.
You: Again this is an example of “mystery religion” at work. Forcing scriptures to say what in fact they are not saying right?
Me: Wrong! This is an example of your lack of reasoning.
You: TC…..YES God anointed many people before JESUE and after , king Saul, King DAVID, MOSES, the seventy Elders, JOSHUA, ALL THE PROPHETS were anointed by GOD. AND AFTER Jesus all true Saints are also anointed by GOD. As far as Lords (adoni) goes there are thousands if not millions then even this day, all judges, presidents, kings, any kind of ruler, or magstrate is a lord (adoni), but there is ONE LORD (ADONIA) that is GOD ALMIGHTY, and NO, other.
Me: The word Adoni means Lord or ruler without giving the context of whom it is referring to. It can and does refer to the father also.
Hi All,
Rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
Me: The Word in the OT can be referred as the Messiah in the NT even though the Word had not become one with the seed of David yet.
1 Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Me: Likewise, the Word in the OT can be referred to the Messiah in the NT even though the Word had bonded as one with the seed of David fully.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Adon or Adoni (H113)
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/113.htmJosh 5:14 (bible hub) “No; come now as captain as the host of YHWH and Joshua fell on his face to the earth and bowed down, and said to him, “what has my lord (אֲדֹנִ֖י(a•do•ni) to say to his servant.
Josh 5:15 (KJV) And the captain of YHWH’s host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/joshua/5-14.htm
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H113/adown.htmPsalm 8:1 (To the chief Musician upon Gittith, A Psalm of David.) O LORD (YHWH) our Lord (H113:Adoni), how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
Interlinear
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/psalms/8-1.htm
But if you click on the Lexicon, we have (H136) or Adonai which is an an “emphatic form” of adon” (H113). You can also find this in Brown-Driver-Briggs definition 3b for Adoni.
So Adoni can have as one of its definition, Adonai, as demonstration in Palm 8:1TC…….wrong again, adoni, is not the same as Adonai, adoni is any human ruler or magristrate, ADONAI , IS ALMIGHTY God, if t hey both mean the same thing then why two different words? This is just another example of trinitarians forcing text to say what in fact it is not saying. Common sense shoud tell you that TC. Do you really think you going to get the truth going to trenitarians for your teachings? They are biased in their teachings, because of what they teach.
Peace and love to you and yours . ……….gene
TC……GO read what I wrote on Rev 17:10 how it shows the time line of it’s prophesy. See what you think. It in the more topics section.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Gene:
You said: TC…….wrong again, adoni, is not the same as Adonai, adoni is any human ruler or magristrate, ADONAI , IS ALMIGHTY God, if t hey both mean the same thing then why two different words? This is just another example of trinitarians forcing text to say what in fact it is not saying. Common sense shoud tell you that TC. Do you really think you going to get the truth going to trenitarians for your teachings? They are biased in their teachings, because of what they teach.
Me: I am not relying on Trinitarians. I am going to the bible lexicon and interlinear versions. On the other hand, you are giving me your opinion, which is not very good.
You quoted me one website which I do not totally agree with..
Gene,
Me:
Blue Letter Bible
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=rsv&strongs=h136
KJV Translation Count — Total: 434x
The KJV translates Strong’s H136 in the following manner: Lord (431x), lord (2x), God (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
I. my lord, lord
A. of men
B. of God
II. Lord – title, spoken in place of Yahweh in Jewish display of reverence
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)אֲדֹנָי ʼĂdônây (Me:H136), ad-o-noy’; an emphatic form of H113; the Lord (used as a proper name of God only):—(my) Lord.
1. There are only two words here that we are considering: Adoni (H113) and Adonai (H136). I showed you above this post that Adoni can refer to either God or man in numerous cases.
2. H 136 can refer to Lord (God) when the first letter (L) is a capital and (lord) is lower case or lord (men) when the entire lord is lower case. The text determines which form is used. And translators have used either for the same verse. Take Genesis 18:3 for example. Some translators and use “Lord” and some “lord”. In fact,
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/18-3.htm
https://biblehub.com/genesis/18-3.htm3. LORD (all caps) is translated as YHWH only and should be YHWH and not LORD.
The use of capitalization is man’s choice. The Hebrew words, Adoni (H113) and Adonai (H136) do not change. They both have as their root Adon.
4. “ LORD” should be YHWH. The translators have disobeyed God by putting in “LORD” for “YHWH” or Yahweh.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/psa/110/1/t_conc_588001
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/psalms/110-1.htmPsalm:110:1 (A Psalm of David.) The LORD (me:H3068 YHWH) said unto my Lord (me: H113 Adoni), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/113.htm
Gene:
Did Someone Find the Doctrine of the Trinity In the Name of God? Why is God’s Name “Elohim” Plural?
Quote: “God created The Hebrew noun Elohim is plural but the verb is singular, a normal usage in the OT when reference is to the one true God. This use of the plural expresses intensification rather than number and has been called the plural of majesty, or of potentiality.”
Which I quoted from the first page above.
Me: This is parallel reasoning to Lord (H136). But that word can be used for me. The context should determine who we are addressing.
אֲדֹנָי ʼĂdônây (Me:H136), ad-o-noy’; an emphatic form of H113; as the Lord (used as a proper name of God only):—(my) Lord.Hi All,
Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word (4487) of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.
John 6:63 (Bible Hub) The spirit it is (1510. eimi)____ giving life…the (G4487) word(s) that I speak to you spirit are and life they are.
Definition of 4487: a word, by implication a matter
Usage: a thing spoken, (a) a word or saying of any kind, as command, report, promise, (b) a thing, matter, business.
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1510. eimi : Definition: I exist, I am
Usage: I am, exist.https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/6-63.htm
Me: The mind of God are the thoughts of God which are his words or spirit.
Me: The invisible spirit of God created all things. This is the Word of God.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Psalm 33:36 By the word of (YHWH) were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Me: All creation was made by the spirit or Word of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word (3056. logos), and the Word was with God (mind of the Father), and the Word (spirit) was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him (or it 846. autos); and without him (it) was not any thing made that was made.
846. autos; Definition: (1) self (emphatic) (2) he, she, it (used for the third person pronoun) (3) the same.
Usage: he, she, it, they, them, same.
https://biblehub.com/greek/4487.htmMe: The Word or spirit in the now Christ had created all things. The mind and spirit of one are two different sides of the same coin (Eph 4:23,Rom 8:27). The mind of the Messiah is bonded as one with the mind of his Father through the holy spirit.
New American Standard Bible
1 John 2:14 I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been (existed) from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word (3056. logos: spirit) of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.Me: The Word of God is the spirit of God which existed in our world or dimension from the beginning of all creation. It is God expressed in our dimension. In eternity, this dimension that we live in will not exist and be as if it never did. The new heaven and earth will be as if they have always existed and the present on as if it had never. The sons of God will be as if they have always existed. God is the beginning and the end. There is no time in God’s eternal dimension.
Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word (3056. logos) of God.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rev/19/13/p0/t_conc_1186013John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
Me: The spirit or Word of God was made one with the heart and mind of the seed of David from the seed of Abraham.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him….9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake…20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Me: The mind of God was one with the human mind and heart of the seed of David of the seed of Abraham through the Word, The Messiah is the express image of his Father. We are made in the image of God who is Christ.
2 Cor 4:4 … Christ, who is the image of God,…
Hi All,
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
Me: In the end, it will be as if the physical creation did not ever exist. It was as if the end did not ever exist. It is as if we are in a different dimension that will not endure. It is as if time is a creation and not eternity. IMO.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Rev 138 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Me: These two verses say that Christ was slain before the creation, had ascended into heaven, and is in heaven now as he speaks on earth. All of this was done already. There will be no beginning and end in God’s timeless environment.
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Micah 5:2 “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”Hi All,
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Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word (holy spirit) was with God, and the Word (holy spirit) was God.
Me: We must remember that nothing existed except God. God (the mind of God) and his Word (spirit) are both are invisible and are two sides of the same coin.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by ___ word (H 4487) of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.
Me: The Word (spirit of God, which is invisible) made all.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made (on account of) him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 IN him (the Word) was life; and the life was the light of men.
Me: the spirit of God is life. When the Word (spirit of God) became one with flesh, the seed of David together with the Word was called the Messiah. This does not mean that God did not have the spirit. But the spirit or Word in the human mind was and is the same spirit or word in God. And the spiritual mind in the Messiah was a direct reflection of the spiritual mind of God. He was THE Son of God…of man.
1 Cor 10:4 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 5 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ
Me: Christ means the “anointed”. What was anointed was the Word to become King. Jesus or Yasha means salvation. So here the salvation was the deliverance from Egypt (baptism in the cloud), a type of sin. The Messiah was not made king as of yet in the time of Moses. But before 1 Cor 10:4 after his resurrection and glorification, he was anointed.
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