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Hi All,
One more comment:
The Word is the exact expression of God Almighty. God does not change. The Word did when he bonded as one with Yashua. This was explained above
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Me: The mind of God from the spirit of God was in the mind of the Word, and the mind of the Word was in the mind of Almighty God through the same holy spirit. The Word was thus God and with God.
New American Standard Bible
1 Cor 15:45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.Me: Notice that 1 Cor 15:45 does not say the “the last man Adam” but the “last Adam”. This is because the last Adam was purely a spirit, the Word with the heart and mind of Yashua which was bonded as one with his Father. Both are expressed through one body, the body of the Lamb: “If you have seen me you have seen the father”.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Hi TC,
There is no need for your gobbledegook about mind sharing.
The Spirit of God was in Christ Jesus from the Jordan.
God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
In these last days God has spoken to us in His Son.
Hi All,
he only begotten son of God
http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/begotten.htm
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“There are only a few places in the New Testament where you will find the words, “The only begotten Son of God.” I was surprised when doing this study to find the word “only begotten son” when used in reference to Jesus only occurs twice in the entire Bible (John3:16, 1:18). These verses that contain the words, “the only begotten Son of God,” are always set in a context that involves Jesus’ resurrection from the dead.”
“Neither the man Adam nor his wife was ‘begotten’ by God but they were ‘made’ by God in His own ‘image’ after His ‘likeness.’”Me: So Adam was called a son of God. He had no human progenitor. He was made by God directly just as the angels were. Jesus was called a son of God because he was made directly of God of the seed of David through Mary.
Quote: John 3:13 ” No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from (ek = out of) heaven: the Son of Man.
Me:
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
14 “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. 16 “For God so loved the world, that HE GAVE HIS only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Me: God gave his only begotten son that was conceived and born the son of God through the seed of David through Mary. Like Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so the son of man becomes the only begotten son of God from the dead after his ASCENCION into heaven.
Hi All,
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Me: Here Christ was begotten of the holy spirit with power. God birthed Christ directly as his spirit born son.
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1 Cor 15:45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Quote: “In the Greek New Testament there are different words used for the actual birthing process. The most prominent Greek word translated as born, begotten, birth is gennᜠ(NT: 1080); gennᜠmeans literally generation, kind, or offspring.
Another In Luke 1:31 the Greek word for, “bear,” a son is tikto and not gennao. Jesus would be produced from seed in his mother just like any other human baby. There is one significant difference between Jesus’ conception and that of other humans; GOD was the One that used HIS power to generate the seed (or sperm cell) inside of Mary.
Greek word used for birth in scripture is tíktœ (NT: 5088) meaning to produce from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth, etc.”“Jesus was called, “the son of God,” at his birth, “
“but he BECAME God’s, “only begotten,” son at the resurrection from the dead. The Greek word translated, “only begotten,” in John 1:18, and John 3:16, 18 is monogenoús and monogenoús (NT: 3439) means literally, “only-born, i.e. sole, or single of its kind.”
The Greek word translated, “only begotten,” in John 1:18, and John 3:16, 18 is monogenoús and monogenoús (NT: 3439) means literally, “only-born, i.e. sole, or single of its kind.” Acts 13:33 specifies the resurrection as when Jesus was, “begotten,” by his Father God (see below):
Hi All,
Me:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4983&t=KJV
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Me: It was the Word of God who was the expressed spiritual image of God was glorified with God at the beginning of creation and who existed before all that was created. . It was the Word of God in the man Jesus that raised him from the dead (John 5:26 above).
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John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God
Me: It was the Word of God that became one (bonded) with the flesh of the human Jesus at the Messiah’s physical conception. That bond grew until the ascension of Christ into heaven to be begotten of his Father.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Me: Notice blood in Rev 19:13. The man Yashua was completed bonded as one with the Word, who was the direct expression of God.
Hi All,
Christ did not need to bap;tized to receive the holy spirit. He had it as conception being bonded as one with God through the Word in him.
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Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Me: So what does John 1:14 mean? Does it not mean that the fullness of God dwell in Christ. Like the rest of his brethren, God dwells in them through the Word of God. The Word of God dwelled in the prophets in the OT before the Messiah existed. They had the spirit of God in them. The Word of God together with the heart and mind of the man Yahsua dwelled in the NT saints after Pentecost.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Me: If the Messiah did not have the spirit of God in him, then what is meant by the “Word became one with flesh” or the “Word became flesh”.
Baptism means to be buried. It pertains to the death, burial and resurrection of one spiritually with Christ. Did Christ become baptized into his own death before he died? Absurd, totally absurd that anyone could believe that Christ received the holy spirit at Jordan and not when he was conceived.Hi TC,
You make your proclamations about Jesus being born anointed but show no scriptural support for your idea.
You are separated from the truth. Deception is your close companion.
TC……You flip flop all OVER THE PLACE, mixing scriptures trying to make them meet you understandings. Jesus was indeed a born human being, the “only” human being father by God directly, BY HIMSELF IMPREGNATING a human women “MARY”. God supplied JESUS’ male DNA, in the womb of MARY.
SIMPLE AS THAT.
Nothing has change with Jesus from the time he was born till now, except his physical body can no longer die, and that took place imeditly after he was resurected , he still also has the seven spirits of God on him. As he said in revelations. He is still a human being whose father is God, who came into existence though the loins of kind David, just as scripture says.
You are also wrong about the original gnostic’s teachings. They taught the Jesus was a God who came from the pelora of Gods, and was only desguised a man but in fact was a God, they also taught that the GOD OF CREATION CALLED the Demirgue was the God who screw up creation , so the pelora od the God’s sent Jesus to straighten out what the first God did. You mixing up what the orginal gnostic’s teachings at the time of John and Paul .
They believed JESUS was a God and therefore was only desguised as a man, and he did not need to be anointed because he was already a God, SO JOHN coined them as antichrist or against the anointing of the man Jesus. Paul in 2ths2 also is addressing their false teaching of Jesus who is in the temple of God, being displayed as a God. They Gnostic’s had Created a false “Image” Of Jesus being a God, and required their mentors to worship him as a GOD.
There is no REAL “man of Sin”, only a false “Image” of the man Jesus, which turns the “IMAGE” of Jesus into a “MAN OF SIN”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Gene:
You: You flip flop all OVER THE PLACE, mixing scriptures trying to make them meet you understandings.
Me: No Gene, I do not flip flop all over the place. Give me an example. I am very consistent. You just lack understanding. It is simple as that.
You: Jesus was indeed a born human being, the “only” human being father by God directly, BY HIMSELF IMPREGNATING a human women “MARY”. God supplied JESUS’ male DNA, in the womb of MARY.
Me: whew, at least you got that part right.
You: SIMPLE AS THAT.
Me: No Gene, that’s another reason you denigrate and blaspheme the son of God. You forgot about his spirit and mind.
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Me: The Messiah’s spirit always was and is the holy Spirit. Notice that the “Spirit” is capitalized. All the translations I looked have it as the holy Spirit. Christ had no sin in his flesh. The body is a reflection of the flesh. That means that he did not have a spirit like we have. He had the holy Spirit as his only spirit—from birth. He did not have to wait for Jordon.
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Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the HOLY CHILD shall be called the Son of God.Me: How can one be holy without the holy spirit in him, especially when his body is human as you acknowledge. This was brought up before. You do not know who the Son of God is. The holy spirit first came upon the Messiah at his conception.
You: Nothing has change with Jesus from the time he was born till now, except his physical body can no longer die, and that took place imeditly after he was resurected , he still also has the seven spirits of God on him. As he said in revelations. He is still a human being whose father is God, who came into existence though the loins of kind David, just as scripture says.
Me: Come on, nobody can be that dense. For one thing, the Messiah grew in the holy spirit, e.g. his humanity (human mind) grew in its bond with the holy spirit of his spirit mind. These are aspects of the same one mind. Man lost this spirit aspect in the Garden of Eden. It had to be regenerated. Now the holy spirit is the impetus as a seed that grows in man.
1 Cor 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare (seed), it may chance of wheat, or of some other (body): 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
Me: If we are born of the holy spirit, we have two seeds in us.. The human spirit we have is the seed of our present human body. The seed of the holy spirit produces a body of the holy spirit. We can follow the flesh and die, or the holy spirit and live.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
In verse 36 of 1 Cor 15, the new body we receive is not the body we sow of the human spirit. This body must die. This body then is quicken or made alive is of the holy spirit in us. In verses 37 we bare or are naked of our human spirit’s body that we may have new or changed bodies of the same body but of the holy spirit. In verse 38, God gives every seed his own body. The holy spirit has a glorious body, not a body of flesh and bones. Christ only had a body that was of the spirit, and it was glorified after he had ascended into heaven as the begotten Son of God. He too was subject to Heb 9:27. The judgment he received was a reward, not one to determine if he was condemned or not.New American Standard Bible
Acts 2:31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY.King James Bible
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
New American Standard BibleMe: Soul means the whole person in this context and not the spirit of the person.
Dan 12:3 “Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.’
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Matt 13:43 “Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.Me: Does this read that we will be glorified flesh and bones? I think not.
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Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”Me: How much even more does the Messiah have a glorified body of the spirit and not of the flesh.
Hi All,
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Me: Tell me Gene, what do you think “the Word was made flesh” means? Don’t avoid this question and talk about Gnosis instead.
Hi All,
I believe it means the Word became one with flesh. The Word was the spirit mind of the Messiah. He was in the Messiah and rose the Messiah from the dead. He became one and the same with the man Yashua.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Me: The Word of God here is the same Word of God in John 1:1-2. The different is the addition of the human element of the man Yashua. Together they are the express image of God (Heb 1:3). This happened totally just before Pentecost.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet _____; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Me: The Messiah was not glorified until he had ascended into heaven.
Hi TC,
Perspective.
Earthly perspective-
‘Jesus of Nazareth was anointed with the Holy Spirit and went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him’
Heavenly perspective-
’The Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us’
Flesh contributes nothing. It is all about the Spirit of God.
’Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever’
’The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy’
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Hi Nick,
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Me: The apostles received the holy spirit before the Messiah had ascended into heaven.
Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Me: The apostles received the holy spirit with power after Yashua had ascended into heaven. They were then baptized with the holy spirit at Pentecost.
You: ‘Jesus of Nazareth was anointed with the Holy Spirit and went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him’
Me: Yes, he received the holy spirit with power at Jordon to do his mission. But he had the holy spirit in him from conception as I have shown you and which you refuse to believe. Baptism was symbolic of receiving the power of the holy spirit, not initially receiving the holy spirit.
Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Me: John’s baptism was of repentance, not of receiving the holy spirit. The Messiah had not received the holy spirit at Jordan, neither did his apostles. The Messiah had the holy spirit at birth. The apostles at John 20:22 above.
Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Me: This was at Jordon.
Matt 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Me: This was much later at a high mountain.
Do these two verses mean that the Messiah got baptized twice and received the holy spirit twice, once at Jordan and once on the high mountain? Of course not! For one, the mountain did not have any water. For another, these two incidents were much apart in time. So “this is my Son, in whom I am well please” does not mean that the Messiah received he holy spirit and became the son of God at either of these two points. The Messiah’s birth was unique in that he was the only one that was made directly by God in the womb of Mary. Thus, he was the son of God at birth. Like the first Adam who was a son of God, he had not been conceived by the sexual process. Neither were the angels who are also the sons of God, Satan among them (Job 1:6)
You: Heavenly perspective-
’The Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us’Me: The Word was made one with flesh. The Word in Yashua raised Yasha from the dead. The Word was and is the expressed image of the spirit of God. The body of the holy spirit is the body of the Lamb. This is similar to Adam and Eve becoming one flesh.
You: Flesh contributes nothing. It is all about the Spirit of God.
Me: Yes, the Word of God made in the express image of the spirit of God.
You: ’Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever’
Me: Yesterday is a point in time. The Greek word for yesterday is not the eternal past but a definite point in time. The Messiah is the same yesterday or at the time of his glorification before Pentecost.
You: ’The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy’
Me: Yes, and one and one and one equals two. Nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Hi TC,
Several times God declared that Jesus Christ was His Son.
Why would you imagine that Jesus became His Son every time men were told?
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