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you have net picked parts of verses to make your claim ,just like jw’s do
and so have also mist the answer to my question
Jesus speaks about his time this was my question
Honestly, I have no idea what you are after. Seems like you just want me to agree with you and not the scriptures I have given. I obviously cannot do that.
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read your own scriptures and go back to Jesus time of crucifixion and read what had happen ,the sun darken,and so the moon did not shine ,and the earth shaked ,
now think did not Jesus said that he must die for the sake of many ?yes and to his apostles did he not told them that death will not prevail on him for he is the redemption for the sins of the world ,in this regard did the words of Jesus where not the truth when he said “YOUR REDEMPTION IS DRAWING NEAR ” absolutely you seem missing Jesus point
read your own scriptures and go back to Jesus time of crucifixion and read what had happen ,the sun darken,and so the moon did not shine ,and the earth shaked ,
Jesus said:
“Immediately after the distress of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
And you say this is talking of this:
It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over all the land until the ninth hour. The sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn down the middle.
But in Revelations, we read the following:
The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.
Revelation was written well after Jesus death right? Are you suggesting that the revelation was recording history rather than the future? And if history, I thought you said that we shouldn’t learn from history?
Mt 24:4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
Mt 24:5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
Mt 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
Mt 24:7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
Mt 24:8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
Mt 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
Mt 24:10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,
Mt 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Mt 24:12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,
Mt 24:13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Mt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mt 24:17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.
Mt 24:18 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
Mt 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
Mt 24:20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
Mt 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
Mt 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
Mt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Mt 24:25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
Mt 24:26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
Mt 24:27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mt 24:28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
Mt 24:29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
Mt 24:30 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
Mt 24:31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Mt 24:32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near.
Mt 24:33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Mt 24:34 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.tell me what part is not a detail to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD
I know you believe that all these were fulfilled in 70AD, but this debate is about God using the sun, moon, and stars as signs and seasons. You disagree with this. Even if all was fulfilled in 70AD and we are in the Millennial reign or whatever it is you believe, it doesn’t negate the fact that God uses these celestial objects as signs and seasons right?
first you put in my mouth thing i never said nor believe,
and i have made clear what the sign should be from the stars ,sun,moon,ect
You said the following:
- I think that those moon event are like the quatrains of Nostradamus and men will try to link anything or some thing to it for many like to see what is not ,but don’t like to see what is ,the truth of God
- yes their is a time of a end to this time and age ;but not with a sign or signs…
- the need of signs are not needed for true believers…
- so far you are confirming what i have said many times ,no signs…
- no the blood moons have nothing to do with God or in regard of Israel Prophecies ;all man made deceit ,
I tell you before hand so you cannot say it was after the facts , - just natural event that comes and go’s
- Yeah just another natural event
It seems obvious to me that you do not believe that God uses the sun, moon, and stars as signs. So I stand by that assertion unless you can give another fair explanation of your words.
Perhaps you do not read my posts? I made clear that I do not hold every natural event to be significant or as a sign. Instead I investigated the Tetrad which was a rare occurrence that fell in Jewish festivals and in previous times fell around significant events for Israel. I made it clear that there were other events that did not fall on festivals. Its all there if you wish to see for yourself.
You seem extreme which has led to error. One moment you are saying that God doesn’t use these as signs (anymore) then you say that I consider all as important when clearly I do not. Like a pendulum swinging wildly from side to side with no peace or stillness are your words and ideas. My advice is to become a more balanced person. Not only will you be better for it and feel better, but you will save other people’s precious time debating silly things. I was just trying to help you but I can see that you do not want help. You are a clay jar set in his shape and it hurts when imperfections are pointed out. If this is true, then why are you here? For what purpose is your existence here now if there is no more improvement of your character to be had?
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yeah I am the silly, and the one that needs help to understand scriptures why ? because i am a bible only teacher ? or a student and disregard the common man made dogmas ,
so I should become a more balanced person by following the main stream religion and ignoring the truth in scriptures ?
you take the time to assess me ,what about assessing you with the mirror of the scriptures truth not yours ,
you are now saying that you accept that all those natural event are not all signs in God’s purpose ,remember when i told you that there will be nothing happen way before the 4 moon even came to be ,so sure i was that nothing would happen ,but you and others start to make something out of it ,not me
Yes you need to be balanced. You said I think all are signs and you say that God does not use these as signs. On both accounts you are clearly wrong. Just accept it or let pride have its way. Up to you.
you are now saying that you accept that all those natural event are not all signs in God’s purpose ,remember when i told you that there will be nothing happen way before the 4 moon even came to be ,so sure i was that nothing would happen ,but you and others start to make something out of it ,not me
I remember you saying something like that. But I still believe it was a sign and there was something significant in that period for us to see. What happened in that period effected the area around the Great Sea substantially and even impacted the world. And it is not over yet. Please listen. I believe this was significant, while there are many other occurrences that were not, but were just natural cycles with no real sign attached to it. You can read this in my earlier posts in this discussion if you do not believe me.
Maybe you need to read my posts properly before replying. It may take a bit more time, but we will both save significant time by not having to clear up misunderstandings.
Yes you need to be balanced. You said I think all are signs and you say that God does not use these as signs. On both accounts you are clearly wrong. Just accept it or let pride have its way. Up to you.
==========================================================in all my quotes I have said that they are signs for good natural reasons ,
my argument is only in the fact that you call those signs special ,and now play politics ;sorry I don’t do politics
either something is true or wrong no middle class just like truth does not sit with lies ,
and what you say can easy be put to you ,with your pride
I remember you saying something like that. But I still believe it was a sign and there was something significant in that period for us to see. What happened in that period effected the area around the Great Sea substantially and even impacted the world. And it is not over yet. Please listen. I believe this was significant, while there are many other occurrences that were not, but were just natural cycles with no real sign attached to it. You can read this in my earlier posts in this discussion if you do not believe me.
Maybe you need to read my posts properly before replying. It may take a bit more time, but we will both save significant time by not having to clear up misunderstandings.
===========================================================================I know it is not you ,it is me ,it must be me ,it is impossible that you are wrong ,
deception mean a creation of something not true but could be ,and later should be ,i know it’s my mistake ,again and again funny the pharisees said the same thing about jesus and his apostles ,if I would have mist something you had all the time to correct me with the early quotes of yours but you did not ,why ?
on a scale their is only a “0” to become balanced you have to put something on it first then counterbalance it with something else ,you never came with a counterbalance only with words that do not mean anything by themselves ,
my argument is only in the fact that you call those signs special ,and now play politics ;sorry I don’t do politics
You repeat your error. Again, I said that this one could be significant because it fell on feast days and the last times in history this happened were significant times such as the creation of Israel. I even said that other times were likely just natural. Clearly, I have never said that all were significant signs. That is a LIE and all likes come from the Father of Lies. I really find you of the opposite spirit to what is Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1:10.
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
Seriously, it is not that hard to agree or remain open minded to something that could be true. But you refuse nearly everything and oppose vehemently against anything that is not in your theology. I do not believe this is from the spirit of God. Your hand seems like it is against everyone and you force everyone to be against you. Like the Muslims. I am not sure why you are like this, but I suspect that you have some pet doctrines and anything that doesn’t compliment them you argue bitterly against. But sometimes you need to look at the point as it is presented and take off your rose coloured 70AD glasses. That is my opinion. You seem too set in your ways to improve. I would love to be wrong about that.
and what you say can easy be put to you ,with your pride
As truth seekers, we look at things to see if they are so. We do not go around shooting everything down like the Pharisees because you could shoot at God. No, we give them a fair hearing and if we are not sure,m we put them on the shelf. The accuser is the Devil and he does that because he is proud. Pride shuts the truth out. I seek the truth. You are increasingly becoming a waste of time Terr.
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
those above words are based on everyone being of the truth of God not their own opinions ;when you start your argument with a “IF” this mean confusion ,not clarity in truth , and so your question of being open minded is viewed as open to what ? confusion ? or truth ? does scriptures truth start with “IF” ? tell me
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you say ;You seem too set in your ways to improve. I would love to be wrong about that.yes you are wrong ;for to me what you cannot prove to be certain in scriptures should not be said as a “IF” for then many “IF” are possible without limits ,this is what as and created all sect divisions ,
this is why Jesus said ;let no one deceive you ; and John “test all things ” and also Jesus give what to use for being the truth “your word is truth ”
not “IF”
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