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Carmel…..Revelations show there are twelve thousand from each of the twelve tribes of Israel, that totals to 144,000, and that is where i get the numbers from, the other part is just speculation on my part, i do not know if these are representive of the ten vergins or not, i just tie the word virgins, with the wording concerning tbe 144,000 showing them as virigns, in revelations. I really do not know, just a thought, also remember what Jesus said requarding eunuchs, some were made by men, some were born that way, some were made that way for the Kingdom of God’s sake. Don’t know if it all ties together or not, just speculating on my part.
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
I had previously questioned why scripture would liken us to guests of the wedding feast, which contradicts the role of a bride – I know no examples of a bride ever being a guest at her own wedding.
Grasshopper,
Yes with respect to your opinion!
But it couldn’t be that the reason that we are guests, in order to become the BRIDE?
Since we are not actually aware what the titles GUESTS, and BRIDE stand for?God’s ways , are not our ways! NO?
We must get it into our mortal corrupted mind that:
Generally speaking, worldly terms are not applicable to heavenly terms, so in this case, words like, GUEST, BRIDE, WEDDING and so on, are not in any way as we actually understand them, but simply to get us, as close as possible, to God’s conceptual ultimate eternal bliss reward.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Perhaps the Church as an entity personifies “The Bride” and the individual people WITHIN the Church/Body personifies the “guest(s)”. I THINK that idea/theory/explanation might have already been touched upon here in an earlier post.
But yeah, it CAN make more sense of scripture if one looks at it in that way; That those individuals (guests) are invited to the wedding feast (invited to be a part of the union between Christ and His Church) but ONLY if they are clothed in the proper attire – which is righteousness.
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GrasshopperInteresting questions grasshopper. I have never thought to question this, but it is good to do so.
I would like to quote Ephesians 5:25-27. Hopefully this has not already been discussed. Sorry if it has.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
Here are some points I can glean from this scripture:
- Here we can see that Christ loves the church similar to a husband loving his wife. If so, then the husband needs to marry his wife before they are consider husband and wife. Perhaps the Church is in the dating stage of the relationship. If so, then there is no guarantee of a marriage until you are at the Wedding itself.
- While our sins are forgiven by the blood of the lamb instantly, will the Church will be presented as a radiant church instantly? Is there a process of discipline and learning that will get the Church there?
Sometimes I think that the sacrifice of Christ makes it possible, but it still requires those to receive it and to act upon it before radiance or glory is achieved. Notice the words “cleansing her by the washing with water through the word”. Is that instant or is it from reading the Word and letting it renew us that this happens? Regardless, the Church is likened to a wife. If that is the case, then Christ has a wife (the Church) and he also marries his bride giving him two wives in this scenario. Or is it what most already believe that the Church inherits the city? Often when a man and woman marry, their dwelling is an important point of consideration.
That said, I will try and find a reason in scripture (besides what you have already pointed out above) that indicates that the bride is not church. Off the top of my head we know that Jesus has sheep from another pen. This is traditionally thought of as the Jews and the Gentiles. Further he says they will become one flock and we do read that there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ. But there always the possibility that he was talking about something else.
i do not know if these are representive of the ten vergins or not, i just tie the word virgins,
Gene,
It is quite clear that you FOCUSSED on the title of VIRGINS!
But regarding this topic, which is the bride and also what’s related to it there are the titles of the
BRIDEGROOM,
WEDDING,
THE GUESTS, US,
THE VIRGIN, THE NEW JERUSALEM and,
THE GARMENT! The most VITAL for us as GUESTS, otherwise we would be thrown out like Jesus declared in his model story of the king’s wedding!There are other titles as we enter more deep into this topic, but the above are the most vital!
So, WITH EVERY RESPECT, it would be appropriate to reflect upon these titles, from the spiritual terms point of view, since it’s a Godly achievement!
GOD himself made it clear:
MY THOUGHTS are not your THAUGHTS, and my WAYS are not your WAYS!
So let’s read this related scripture:
Rev: 21:11 And I saw A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH.
So we must completely throughout ignore our terms! We must simply discover the SIGNIFICANCE of all these titles!
For the first heaven and the first earth were gone, and the sea is now no more.CLEAR ISN’T IT!
So let’s make sure that before we post we make ourselves aware that we would be posting things related to THE SPIRITUAL REALM!
GOD’S ASPECT
THE NEW HEAVEN AND THE NEW EARTH!
More to follow regarding the above scriptures!
So I would appreciate it if you were to reflect upon it and give your light, NO MATTER WHAT, since also
LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS!
AndSATAN can be transformed BY “THE WORD” into an angel of light, since he is CHRIST’S SUBJECT!
In fact that’s how Satan would eventually end,
HE PROCLAIM HIMSELF GOD on earth. And he would be transformed ERADICATED, ETERNALLY into ?????????????????????
AN ANGEL OF LIGHT!
Peace and love in Jesus
CharlesPerhaps the Church as an entity personifies “The Bride” and the individual people WITHIN the Church/Body personifies the “guest(s)”. I THINK that idea/theory/explanation might have already been touched upon here in an earlier post. But yeah, it CAN make more sense of scripture if one looks at it in that way; That those individuals (guests) are invited to the wedding feast (invited to be a part of the union between Christ and His Church) but ONLY if they are clothed in the proper attire – which is righteousness.
Grasshopper,
YOU said:
But yeah, it CAN make more sense of scripture if one looks at it in that way
Now you are talking WITH THE RIGHT SPIRIT!
Keep yourself focussed on your own HEART where Jesus abides AS A CHRISTIAN, and then transfer it into your MIND, and pronounce it with MIGHT!
and Satan would throw himself into hell fire and Jesus would manifest THE TRUTH
THROUGH YOU!
Now I would continue where I left the last post from, and TRY to expand YOUR VIEWS,although not just only through this post!
Rev. 21:12 And I John saw the holy city, the NEW JERUSLEM, coming down out of heaven FROM GOD, prepared as a BRIDE adorned FOR HER HUSBAND.
So in the above THERE ARE NO GENDERS for sure INVOLVED, and also NOT AN ACTUAL CITY OF STONES! Since they are related to God’s concepts!
There’s also the title of HUSBAND, which within God’s terms he is a husband already before he got married, GOT IT?
and the bride shouldn’t be prepared for a husband , but for a bridegroom!
3And I heard a great voice from the throne, saying: Behold THE TABERNACLE OF GOD with MEN,
Now the above is a reference only to MEN, but KEEP IN MIND it’s within God’s concepts THOUGH,
the fact that woman is not mentioned!
OBVIOUS NO GENDER!
One source for BOTH! The consistency of GOD’S ONENESS !
THE FACT THAT GOD IS WITH THEM !
So He cannot be ONLY with men!NO?
and HE will DWELL with them. AN EMPHASIS!
And they shall be his people; and God himself with them shall be their God
NOTICE now: They are not men anymore but PEOPLE! They will eventually become so once they are UNITED with the respective appropriate BRIDE! But not a physical FEMALE in GOD’S terms!
So the word PEOPLE in God’s terms is ONE SOURCE for both male and female, therefore SPIRITUAL bodies all in the same SUBSTANCE but in their NEW RESPECTIVE justified function , not like in our terms different, conflicting, and SEPARATED genders,
THEY would be one SOURCE! But this particular source within God’s concepts is called MAN!
Genesis 1: 27. BOTH MALE AND FEMALE!
THE STATE WHICH ADAM REFUSED through his self love concept
And eventually the female CORRUPTED HIM!
So this time IN GOD’S TERMS the female is:
THE HOLY CITY, THE NEW JERUSALEM, prepared by God like a BRIDE adorned for her HUSBAND!
So the fact that a husband is already married, and waiting for the bride,
WHAT WOULD THAT ACTUALLY IN GOD’S ONENESS TERMS EVENTUALLY BE?
I leave this LIGHT for you to discover before I put my LIGHT in order to be
SCRUTINIZED!!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Yes we are betrothed to the Master
Nick and t8,
I’m afraid in GOD’S TERMS WE MUST BE ACTUALLY MARRIED!
INTEGRATED AS ONE
HUSBANDS!
In order to receive the BRIDE!
If not Married, WE WOULD BE THROWN OUT from THE WEDDING!
The actual state of a HUSBAND, married, INTEGRATED is the clothing of righteousness!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carnel…….But all clothing is purchased is it not?, we are not the cholthing we ware, they were purchased.
peace and love to you and yours. …………..gene
Perhaps the Church is in the DATING stage of the relationship. If so, then there is no guarantee of a marriage until you are at the Wedding itself.
t8,
THE FACT that we have to PREPARE ourselves!
Through our own free will, WE MUST PURCHASE THE CLOTHING WHILE ON EARTH IN GOD’S TERMS:
The prize is the rejecting of the WORLD, FLESH, for the sake OF CHRIST’S SPIRIT
So IF the church individually MALES AND FEMALES, SINCE the church is in the DATING relationship stage OBVIOUS with THE HOLY SPIRIT in Christ’s Spirit, THE WORD, and succeed in IMITATING THROUGHOUT Christ while on earth, REJECTING ENTIRELY THE LUST OF THE FLESH AND WORLD
which is NOT POSSIBLE for the majority, the fact that it says:
That he MIGHT sanctify it……
When THE SOUL leaves the dead corrupted flesh and blood body, would EVENTUALLY establish itself as GUEST!
Which means THE SOUL married and became one with THE SPIRIT!
INTEGRATED!not having a spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
and this guest in GOD’S TERMS is the MAN, HUSBAND, therefore HE DESERVES the BRIDE
THE HOLY CITY, THE NEW JERUSALEM, prepared by God like a BRIDE adorned for her HUSBAND! OK?Which again you well said,
If so, then the husband needs to marry his wife THE SOUL WITH THE SPIRIT
before they are consider husband and wife. . HUSBAND AND BRIDE
TO CLARIFY:
So the fact that a husband is already married,
IT MEANS:
THE CHURCH, SOULS MALES AND FEMALES
SUCCEEDED THE DATING relationship while on earth, PREPARED OURSELVES!
LIVED SPIRITUALLY IN CHRIST AND FOR CHRIST!
MARRIED SPIRITUALLY!
BECAME ONE WITH THE SPIRIT, INTEGRATED!
PURE, WITHOUT BLEMISH, thereforeGUESTS CLOTHED WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS!
LEFT the corrupted body on DEATH, and
IN GOD’S TERMS!A HUSBAND ! BOTH MALES AND FEMALES SINCE THEY ARE MARRIED SOULS!
SO:
The MALE in our terms become a HUSBAND, since he would be married INTEGRATED with a FEMALE SPIRIT!THROUGH Christ’s BOTH MALE AND FEMALE! GENESIS 1:27
The FEMALE in our terms become a HUSBAND, since she would be married INTEGRATED with a MALE SPIRIT! THROUGH Christ’s BOTH MALE FEMALE!
SINCE:
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither
MALE NOR FEMALE.
For you are all ONE in Christ Jesus.Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
.But all clothing is purchased is it not?
Gene,
YES and how!
THE PRIZE is our own free will to reject entirely
THE LUST OF THE FLESH AND THE WORLD,
FOR THE SAKE OF CHRIST’S SPIRIT
WHICH is not possible for the majority!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Yes we are betrothed to the Master.
i don’t believe this but we are invited to the marriage ceremony ,
Carmel……It has nothing to do with ‘our’ so-called “freewills”, it has to do with GOD THE Father reaveling who Christ jesus is, and what he accomplished by giving his life for a sacrifice for our sins, becaus NO MAN “CAN” COMEUNTO CHRIST , UNLESS THE FATNER DRAW HIM. The garments that cover us has nothing to do with “OUR” RIGHTIOUSNESS, but the righteousness of God. Who through the anointing spirit ‘IN’ JESUS CAUSED JESUS TO SACRIFIICE HIMSELF FOR THE FORGIV8NESS OF OUR SINS, AGAIN I SAY, IT IS ‘THROUGH’ THE RIGHTIOUSNESS OF GOD “in” JESUS THE CHRIST OF GOD, THAT DEMONSTRATES To us, the righteousness of God the Father “IN” Jesus.
ROM 3:21-24….> BUT NOW THE RIGHTIOUSNESS OF GOD WITHOUT THE LAW IS MANIFESTED, BEING WITNESSED BY THE LAW AND THE PROPHESTS; 22, Even the righteousness of “GOD” , which is by the “FAITH” OF JESUS THE CHRIST UNTO ALL AND UPON ALL THEM THAT “BELIEVE” : FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. 23,FOR “ALL” HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD; 24, BEING JUSTIFIED “FREELY” By his “GRACE” theough the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25, whom GOD has set forth to be a propitiation through “FAITH” IN HIS BLOOD, TO “DECLARE” “HIS” “GOD’S” RIGHTIOUSNESS FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS THAT ARE PAST, THROUGH THE FORBEARNCE OF “GOD”; 26, TO DECLARE , I SAY, AT THIS TIME “HIS” (GOD’S) RIGHTIOUSNESS THAT HE (“GOD”) MIGHT BE JUST AND THE JUSTIFER OF HIM WHICH BELIEVES IN JESUS.
Its all about GOD THE FATHER FROM THE START TO THE FINISH.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………………..gene
It has nothing to do with ‘our’ so-called “freewills”, it has to do with GOD THE Father reaveling who Christ jesus is, and what he accomplished by giving his life for a sacrifice for our sins, becaus NO MAN “CAN” COMEUNTO CHRIST , UNLESS THE FATNER DRAW HIM. The garments that cover us has nothing to do with “OUR” RIGHTIOUSNESS,
Gene,
WITH EVERY RESPECT:
First, Jesus was sent to REVEAL THE FATHER, NOT THE FATHER REVEAL WHO CHRIST IS!
We as Christians know WHO CHRIST IS!
Second, GOD THE FATHER WILL NEVER DRAW ANYONE TO CHRIST BY FORCE!
Third, THE GARMENT must be achieved when, initially deliberately we opt to live CHRISTLIKE by denying totally ourselves, and the world, and allow full freedom to the HOLY SPIRIT through THE WORD to make us HOLY!
we would BE SLAVES TO GOD, but deliberately, through our own free will!NOW I said:
THE PRIZE is our own free will to reject entirely
THE LUST OF THE FLESH AND THE WORLD,
FOR THE SAKE OF CHRIST’S SPIRIT
THE GARMENT THAT WE MUST PUT ON OR RATHER UNITE WITH, GET MARRIED WITH, AND BECOME HUSBANDS
As you can read I didn’t just said FREE WILL, all by itself NO?
I said THE PRIZE,in our case OF THE GARMENT,
THE NEW SPIRITUAL STATE OF THE SOUL WITH/IN CHRIST’S SPIRIT
which we have to purchase, IN ORDER TO PUT ON, while on earth
THEREFORE, PREPARE OURSELVES WITH, AND MAKE US RIGHTEOUS OR JUSTIFIED,
to participate in the wedding of the lamb, as GUESTS is
by OUR OWN FREE WILL, deliberately,
the fact, and WHAT JESUS DIED FOR, since before we were Satanic entities,the old man!
IS:
in the TRUTH we ourselves deliberately throughour own free will,OPT TO DENY TOTALLY OURSELVES AND THE WORLD, to live CHRISTLIKE,
AND BY “THE WORD” from within us, slain from the beginning of the world Rev. 13:8
HE the Holy Spirit MIGHT SANCTIFY US……….
NOTICE THE FACT that the word MIGHT is so evident, SO NOT CERTAIN, we could easily fall again!
So first WE OPT, and then IT’S UP TO US TO remain and LIVE SPIRITUALLY IN CHRIST, through “THE WORD” IN THE TRUTH!
SO THE PRIZE FOR THE GARMENT IS THAT:
WE MUST TOTALLY DENY OURSELVES OTHERWISE WE ARE NOT WORTHY,
John 14: 23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will KEEP My WORD;
NOTICE: IF any one loves ME ,
SO CONDITIONALLY, DELIBERATELY , ON OUR OWN FREE WILL, OPT TO LIVE CHRISTLIKE, therefore we keep “THE WORD” Jesus in us! IF NOT OBVIOUS SATAN WILL ENTER!
and My Father will love him,
So THROUGH “THE WORD” Jesus, within us from baptism, the Father would be aware of the TRUTH in us, REGARDING OUR LOVE TO JESUS AND OPTED TO LIVE CHRISTLIKE, SO the Father would eventually loves us and to confirm this He WILL send the Holy Spirit, the SPIRIT of TRUTH, HE, the Holy Spirit, from the other hand, makes us aware of HIS PRESENCE IN US, He would actually speak to us and proves to us that JESUS CHRIST IS IN THE GLORY OF GOD!
Declared hereunder:
John 16:14 He shall GLORIFY me; because he shall receive of mine, and
SHALL SHOW IT TO YOU!SO HE, THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, MIGHT SANCTIFY US! MAKE US HOLY, WITHOUT A BLEMISH! BY SHOWING US HOW TO ACHIEVE CHRIST VIRTUES! WE WOULD EVEN MAKE MIRACLES, he will make us actually other CHRISTS obvious to form HIS BODY!
and will come to him and make Our abode with him. …
Finally:
Once the Holy Spirit achieves his work in our souls, WHICH MEANS, HE INTEGRATES AND BECOME ONE with our souls,
CHRIST HIMSELF in the glory of GOD, would make his abode in us! TO CONFIRM and make us aware, THAT
THE HOLY SPIRIT ESTABLISHED US:
HUSBANDS, WHILE ON EARTH!
SO NOT BY FORCE GOD THE FATHER DRAW US TO CHRIST!
BUT WE FIRST AND FOREMOST, DELIBERATELY, IN OUR FREE WILL, IN THE TRUTH, OPT to live through “THE WORD” CHRISTLIKE,and in doing so in the truth, THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH HIS PROCESS IN CHRIST SPIRIT
MAKES OUR SOULS OTHER CHRISTS THE GARMENT THAT MAKES US
HUSBANDS ! BOTH MALES AND FEMALES SINCE THEY ARE MARRIED SOULS!
SO:
The MALE in our terms become a HUSBAND, since he would be married INTEGRATED with a FEMALE CHRIST SPIRIT!
THROUGH Christ’s BOTH MALE AND FEMALE! GENESIS 1:27
The FEMALE in our terms become a HUSBAND, since she would be married INTEGRATED with a MALE CHRIST SPIRIT! THROUGH Christ’s BOTH MALE FEMALE!
SINCE:
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither
MALE NOR FEMALE.
For you are all
ONE in Christ Jesus.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Grasshopper……. YOU HAVE PRESENTED IT RIGHT IS IS ALL ABOUT “GRACE” THE GRACE OF GOD , OUR RIGHTIOUSNESS IS AS FILTY RAGES TO GOD. We have been already justified, (made right in the eyes of God), by the blood of Jesus.
peace and love to you and yours. …………..gene
Nick…….Amen brother, being baptised in the name of JESUS, and recieving of the HOLY SPIRIT, promised is essential. It is all brought about by the GRACE OF GOD, JUST AS IT SAYS, “we are saved by grace and that not of ourselves, it is a gift of GOD”.
Eph 2:15…..Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ ( by grace you are saved;) 6, And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. 7,That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his GRACE IN HIS KINDNESS, toward us through Christ Jesus : 8, For by GRACE are you saved through Faith; and that not of (or from) yourselves; it is a GIFT OF GOD: 9, Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10, For we are “his” workmanship, “created” in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.
There it is in a nutshell, the whole package concerning our salvation, If we can always keep those scriptures as paramount always in our minds, we will always walk humbly toward God and our fellow man. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
Amen brother, being baptised in the name of JESUS, and recieving of the HOLY SPIRIT, promised is essential. It is all brought about by the GRACE OF GOD, JUST AS IT SAYS, “we are saved by grace and that not of ourselves, it is a gift of GOD”.
Gene,
The thing is THAT
MOST OF US REFUSE GRACES WHICH GOD THROUGH JESUS’PROCESS OF REDEMPTION, USED JUSTLY ,RIGHTEOUSLY BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, IS CONTINUOUSLY POURING DOWN FROM HEAVEN!
due to the fact that the majority of us do not know, and not even interested to know, HOW THESE VAST DIFFERENT KINDS OF GRACES EITHER RECEIVED OR/AND LOST!
In fact graces are THE BREAD WHICH COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND GIVES EVERLASTING LIFE TO ALL THOSE WHO WORK FOR IT,
GRACES ARE THE (SPIRITUAL FOOD) THAT Jesus declared in
John 6:27: LABOUR not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto life everlasting, which the Son of man will give you. For him hath God, the Father, sealed.
SO WE HAVE TO LABOUR, WORK TO RECEIVE GRACES,
WHICH ARE AUTOMATICALLY EITHER BENEFICIAL, OR/AND IN THE SAME TIME ALSO LOST,( THE LEFT OVER IN THE MIRACLE OF THE BREAD)
THROUGH our own
ACTUAL general behaviour of:
EVERY DAY, EVERY HOUR, AND EVERY MINUTE
CONSUMED, even when we give a mere
GLASS OF WATER
THE FACT that we OURSELVES have to prepare ourselves in order to ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT FULL ROOM, TO MAKE USE OF THESE GRACES TO MAKE US HUSBANDS, HOLY and WITHOUT A BLEMISH, and have the right for the invitation in the wedding of the lamb, therefore
GUESTS in order to
RECEIVE THE BRIDE
BUT WE HAVE TO ACT/ WORK AND IMITATE CHRIST FIRST,CARRY THE CROSS, DENY OURSELVES, DELIBERATELY, THROUGH OUR OWN FREE WILL!
Matthew 10:38 And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me,(DELIBERATELY) is not worthy of me.
39He that findeth his life, (LIVING IN WORLDLY LUST)shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life (ABANDON GENERALLY WORLDLY LUST)for me, shall find it.
OR ELSE
DOWN TO HELL WE GO! like
MOST OF US!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel……YOU HAVE PRESENTED THE APSOLUTE OPPISITE OF WHAT THE “GRACE” OF GOD IS. YOU ARE BASING YOUR SALVATION ON “SELF” PERFORMANCE. You are totally rejectng those scriptures I QUOTED. The word GRACE means “UNMERITED” PARDON, OR HAVEN’T YOU READ THIS, “GOD has concluded “All” under sin, that he might have mercy on “ALL”. WE ARE “JUSTIFIED” BY “FAITH”, and not by WORKS of law. Paul nor i am saying we should continue to sin, even if we are saved by GRACE, “UNMERITED PARDON”, OF GOD.
YOUR VIEW OF THE GRACE OF GOD, ELIMATES THE NEED FOR THE SACRIFICE OF JESUS FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN. You are basing your salvation on WORKS OF “SELF EFFORT”, rightiousness from the self is as filthy rages to God. We are being “CREATED” unto good works. That creation is being done by THE SPIRIT OF GOD and is not from the SELF.
peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene
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