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@Wakeup
you said:Jesus is not going to marry his own body.
Jesus doesn’t marry His own body. His bride is a body of believers with Christ as the head. Like a man who is head of his wife.
Don’t make it so difficult. A man doesn’t marry his own body but is head of his wife and the two become one flesh.
I’m totally at peace with the church being the bride of Christ. This truth is easy to see as I have shown you. The early church agrees, the commentaries agree, so rest in the truth that as members of the church of Christ, we will be cared for to the utmost of care by our Savior, Jesus Christ. We can have intimacy with the one who reigns with the Father over all creation for ever and ever. Amen!
Lightenup.
How can Christ marry a church like this one? All the churches of today are even worse.
Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Revelation 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:[ /color]
Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Revelation 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
wakeup
Would you please tell me how you think that I am holding on to a corrupted worldly carnal system?
Lightenup,
VERY SIMPLE:
FIRST:
THERE’S NOTHING ON EARTH WHICH IS NOT CORRUPTED AND MORTAL!
SECOND:
THERE’S NOTHING ON EARTH RELATED TO THE MORTAL FLESH WHICH ALSO IS NOT CORRUPTED!
NOW I ALSO SAID THAT:
YOU HAVE TO ACHIEVE THE SPIRITUAL HEAVENLY SYSTEM, WHILE STILL ON EARTH!
THAT IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL, THAT ONE MUST LIVE ONLY BY THE NECESSITIES! IN CHRIST AND HIS GOSPEL SINCE EVERY THING IS CORRUPTED!
DUE TO THE FACT THAT ONCE ONE LIVES ONLY BY THE NECESSITIES, IN ORDER TO KEEP HIMSELF ALIVE ONLY IN CHRIST!
HE WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED ALL THE REST WHICH HE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE AN ANSWER TO CHRIST, WHY HE MADE USE OF THEM!
AGAIN, SINCE ALL IS CORRUPTED!
AND ALSO,SINCE DEFINITELY HE WOULD HAVE MADE USE OF THEM ONLY FOR HIS CORRUPTED CARNAL BODY WHICH OBVIOUS ENDS UP IN DUST! USELESS!
NOW ALL THIS IS IN THIS SCRIPTURES HEREUNDER,WHICH I BELIEVE YOU ARE MATURE ENOUGH TO BE AWARE OF, ONLY IF YOU REFLECT IN THE TRUTH!
AND FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST!
Mark 8:34 And calling the multitude together with his disciples, he said to them: If any man will follow me,
let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. NOW EXPAND ON THE WORDS: DENY YOURSELF!
35For whosoever will save his life, shall lose it: EXPAND ON THE WORDS: WILL SAVE HIS CARNAL LIFE! SHALL LOSE HIS SPIRITUAL ETERNAL LIFE!
and whosoever shall lose his life for MY SAKE AND THE GOSPEL, shall save it. EXPAND ON ALL THOSE WORDS!
36For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul? TO GAIN THE UNNECESSARY!
37Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? OBVIOUS!
38For he that shall be ashamed of me, and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation: US
the Son of man also will be ashamed of him, FOR ALL WHAT HE DID UNNECESSARY, SIMPLY TO PLEASE HIS CORRUPTED MORTAL FLESH!
when he shall come in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi WU
Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Seek ye FIRST the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you.
Knowledge saves nobody
@Charles
you said:YOU HAVE TO ACHIEVE THE SPIRITUAL HEAVENLY SYSTEM, WHILE STILL ON EARTH!
THAT IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL, THAT ONE MUST LIVE ONLY BY THE NECESSITIES! IN CHRIST AND HIS GOSPEL SINCE EVERY THING IS CORRUPTED!
I’m trying to understand your post, so please bear with my questions.
What are these ‘necessities’ according to you? Please list the necessities as you understand them.
Btw, are you a homeless person that gets on the computer at a library or somewhere? It sounds to me like you are promoting a lifestyle where you have no material possessions other than clothing and maybe a fishing pole. Please clarify with some real life examples as how ‘living only by necessities’ applies to you. Thanks!@Wakeup
you asked:How can Christ marry a church like this one? All the churches of today are even worse.
John 3
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.Hi WU,
Are you perfect so that you would be chosen?
Do you have enough knowledge yet to ensure salvation by your own door?
So which one is it you choose Lightenup?
1. That God’s Son died for all the world. This is nice to hear.
2. Or that them that believed not is condemned? This is not so nice to hear.
Which one do you choose? Take your pick.
I say Christ died for them that believe and do. Them clothed in perfect righteousness.
Many will come and say; Lord Lord. Many are called but a few chosen.John 3
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.wakeup.
I’m trying to understand your post, so please bear with my questions.
What are these ‘necessities’ according to you?Lightenup,
I would like to be concise, DUE TO THE FACT THAT I AM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR TITLE OF THE BRIDE!
SO PLEASE IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND MY POST THERE’S ONLY ONE WAY, READ THE SCRIPTURE VERSES I POSTED AND YOU WOULD DISCOVER ALL THE NECESSITIES RELATED TO JESUS CHRIST AND HIS GOSPEL!
REGARDING MY NECESSITIES,
THEY ARE RELATED TO MY INTELLECTUAL MATURITY AND SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE RELATED TO THE GOSPEL, BUT ONLY FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED
WHICH ALSO INCORPORATES THE FORGIVENESS OF MY SINS,DUE TO THE FACT THAT I AM MOST SINFUL TILL I DIE IN THE EYES OF GOD THE FATHER, UNLESS I DO SO!
NOW JUST FOR THE SAKE OF EXAMPLE:
TO OWN A PAIR OF SHOES IS A NECESSITY FOR ME,
BUT FOR SOME FOR A REASON OR ANOTHER IS NOT! BAREFOOT WILL DO!
TO OWN TWO OR THREE PAIRS OF SHOES IS A NECESSITY FOR ME,
BUT FOR SOME FIFTY AND MORE PAIRS ARE A NECESSITY!
THIS WOULD BE ONLY JUSTIFIED IN FRONT OF JESUS, WHEN THE SOUL, HIS SUBSTANCE, WOULD BE NAKED AND ONLY DRESSED WITH THE PROPER NECESSITIES! WHICH ARE SPIRITUAL, AND NOTHING MATERIAL BUT RELATED TO WHAT WE CONSIDERED A NECESSITY THROUGH THE USE OF THE MATERIAL ACCORDING TO JESUS AND HIS GOSPEL!
SINCE WE MUST LIVE IN JESUS, BY JESUS, AND FOR JESUS!
THEREFORE, THE ABOVE ALSO BE RELATED TO ALL WHAT WE EAT, DRINK, SLEEP, WORK, DRESS, TALK, TOUCH, WISH, THINK, PLAN, OWN AS GENERAL BELONGINGS, AND SO ON!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
You claim to be a believer, but I see no Christlike characteristics in you so far. I dare say people like you who supposedly represent the Church are one of the main reasons why so many who are still lost refrain from seeking out God and Christ. You are putting out into the world a gross/damaging picture of Christian attitude/demeanor.
If and when you finally clean up your attitude, I might, at that point, actually discuss scripture with you.
Until then, have a nice day…
Grasshopper
Is this showing the fruits of the spirit? How did you correct Carmel? Where did you show him he was going wrong?
What truth have you learn’t from the scriptures?
Is this what your spirit teaches, to just throw stones without backup?
Jesus would of used scripture to correct, or given a parable, or some sort of explanation to confound.
I’m looking to see if you use the same technique as Christ has given his saints…the truth as a weapon?So if you being so holy, and claiming to have a spiritual gift, address his points one by one, address his own words he took the time to explain to you to be fair, because Christ is fair, and teaches us to be fair also and not just cast off someone just because we don’t agree with them. If you think you are more holy, then guide him, so that he come to the truth and reason with him if you really care for the sheep?
Acts 25:18 Against whom when the accusers stood up, they brought none accusation of such things as I supposed:
Acts 25:27 For it seemeth to me unreasonable to send a prisoner, and not withal to signify the crimes laid against him.Grasshopper
Is this showing the fruits of the spirit? How did you correct Carmel? Where did you show him he was going wrong?
What truth have you learn’t from the scriptures?J42,
First and foremost:
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND ALL!
Second, honestly speaking I never expected this exactly on Christmas day!
Greatly appreciated it!As you can read I am not using the BLOCK CAPITALS custom since it did leave a negative result, and also MYSELF CREATED A SCAPEGOAT for whoever,in a way is embarrassed to discuss my posts!
Also in the same time, I hindered my genuine intent, which is to contribute both for the light to do its course, and eventually for the truth to be revealed!I liked this topic, and I hope it would continue!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
I’m appreciating your visually toned down post, brother 😉
I do not celebrate Christmas, but still wish for you a very blessed day!
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GrasshopperHi Carmel.
It’s now Boxing Day, so happy Boxing Day, whatever this day is supposed to mean? I just asked my husband and he didn’t know either? (I must look it up!)
So thank you Carmel, but I was just trying to prove a point because since that day I was hurting for you, but you answered so well without any malice and I admired that.
People have killed themselves over negative comments on the internet, it’s a fact. How do we know if our words will not do the same here to someone one day? We know nothing about each other’s background or what any of us is going through. People break sometimes, and it can happen to the best of us. Cyber bullying must stop, and especially amongst the christians.
Look we havn’t agreed on everything in the past, but at least we’ve discussed by using reason. You also have said some good things that have nailed it in some areas, and I have to give you credit of those things you said which were true,..not just general observations, but some deep things you touched….. and what I strongly didn’t agree with, I told you why with reason, and didn’t try to force whatever I said unto you or make you feel like an outcast. I hope not anyway.
Regarding the capitals, I personally don’t care, what I care about is the message.
I use capitals myself sometimes but to make my points stand out, not because I’m shouting.
We can still shout in lowercase if we wanted to!Take care Carmel.
I do not celebrate Christmas, but still wish for you a very blessed day!
Grasshopper,
First, I APPRECIATE your prompt feed back!
Second, I celebrate Christmas but SPIRITUALLY ONLY!
Third, I also feel that it would be appropriate to make you aware, rather with a PECULIAR aspect regarding this scenario in particular!
So, to start with, if I had the slightest awareness of what block capitals could result in, which also could be the result that we live on different continents.
I wouldn’t have written my posts in that manner at all!
Due to the fact that,
Ironically, apart that it was a new and a conflicting topic regarding us in particular, and in the same time, it was introduced by a person whom I never yet even encountered,
NEVER THE LESS I took it for grunted that YOU WERE THE RIGHT PERSON TO DISCUSS NEW THINGS WITH! With respect to your STATEMENT!Now without your awareness, I believe, it was not just a coincidence that your topic IT HAPPENED TO BE in the truth the FOCAL POINT of an insight which it had just been revealed to me, and I was EXTREMELY EAGER and FULLY ENTHUSIASTIC to share and discuss, even if without a doubt, someone APART FROM YOU, would eventually simply seen it only in the negative, no matter for what cause!
SOMETHING WHICH THROUGHOUT MY PARTICIPATION IN THESE FORUMS I ONLY EXPERIENCED!
Which as a Christian ONLY, I accept it, and enjoy it as part of MY CROSS, for the love of JESUS, and His gospel, a duty which THROUGH IT, we have to keep on preparing ourselves, flourishing as His CHURCH, BODY ,and the eventual BRIDE TO BE!
The fact that I was more then pleased with J42 intervention!
It was for sure A NEW THING for me! on HEAVEN NET!
The fact also that I was more then pleased to discuss it with you in particular! Again with respect to your statement!
I admit, that the lack of academic qualifications in this field is evident, not only in the language itself, and the actual theme,
WHICH FOR SURE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD’S WISDOM,
but even the way I approach such rather hot and odd aspects, which without a doubt, in this case, for efficiency’s sake, related to my weakness, I considered more the advantage I gain through it, then the detriment which I could cause to whom I wanted SO MUCH to discuss, such vital new things!
Now to the PECULIAR aspect
MAY I ASK:
Without any awareness from both of us,
Was the TRUTH through OUR DISCUSSIONS definitely for JESUS’SAKE, his GOSPEL, and for the GLORY OF THE FATHER, was going TO BE REVEALED ?
SINCE ABRUPTLY IT WAS BROUGHT TO A HALT, despite the fact that both of us fit well the CRITERIA:
TO DISCUSS NEW THINGS for the truth sake!
Then after five weeks, out of the blue J42 EMERGED!
At one stage, I wished you would have been the very first one to encounter not the last, considering the VITAL and DELICATE points which were to be discussed and also the 1800 posts I posted!
Now I say: BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!
Which after all, IN RELATION TO MY INSIGHT, it seems to me more,
A BLESSING IN DISGUISE!
So IN A WAY, you did CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS in the truth after all, WITHOUT BEING AWARE OF IT ! NO?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
So thank you Carmel, but I was just trying to prove a point because since that day I was hurting for you, but you answered so well without any malice and I admired that.
J42,
First regarding BOXING DAY! When I temporary lived in UK. They told that it originated from the fact that since on Christmas day, they open all their present boxes, and the day after they simply put all their presents in their particular boxes again, so they called it boxing day!
Now,
I would appreciate if you were to read Grasshopper’s post due to the fact that this post is related to it, and you could also reflect better regarding this particular episode!
So in relation to what I said in the above mentioned post,The fact that I was not only VERY PLEASED with your intervention, but since I CELEBRATE Christmas spiritually, which in itself, is consistently A NEW BEGINNING IN CHRIST, every year, I believe that it is in the truth A NEW BEGINNING spiritually on heaven net for me, the fact that this episode would strengthen generally my participation in the effort to establish JESUS CHRIST as he WAS, IS ,and REMAIN FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER,
So I AT ONE STAGE, considered myself in the position of what Peter also MEANT in:
1 Peter 6 Wherein you shall greatly rejoice, if NOW you must be for a little time made SORROWFUL in divers temptations:
7 That the TRIAL of your FAITH (much more precious than gold which is tried by the fire) may be found unto praise and glory and honour at the
APPEARING of Jesus Christ:YES J 42 it was not just YOU, but
JESUS CHRIST APPEARED
on his NEWLY CELEBRATED NATIVITY DAY BY MILLIONS, throughout the world.
In this particular time from WITHIN and through YOU, and I GREATLY REJOICED
for JESUS, in JESUS and by JESUS!Look we havn’t agreed on everything in the past, but at least we’ve discussed by using reason.
Yes , what do you expect in this EVIL influence we possess?
THE OLD MAN! THE SPIRIT OF MAN,
SO I ASK:
Am I CHILDISH, spiritually speaking?
Am I always trying to learn what God wants to teach me each day, striving to form those VIRTUES that will make me a better INSTRUMENT of God’s grace?
As one who follows Christ, I should have confidence that God’s favour also rests on me; that he looks at MY HUMBLE, often HIDDEN efforts with great LOVE
FOR JESUS, WHO IS GOD’S TOTALITY;
that in spite of my WEAKNESS he is helping OTHERS through me to see the GOOD NEWS that he is present and active in their lives.
THIS TIME IN YOU,
and ALSO IN GRASSHOPPER SINCE HE INTRODUCED THE TOPIC
AM I EXAGGERATING THIS EPISODE?
ONLY TIME WILL CONFIRM REGARDING THIS TOPIC!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
God, indeed, works in mysterious ways 😉
When something is in the process of “happening” we sometimes cannot, right then and there, see it for what it is; But only afterwards, can we truly see and understand that God’s Hand was in it.
I believe that things happen for a reason and that everything works towards accomplishing the Plan God has put into place.
As far as discussing this topic, I am willing. I am not set in stone regarding either side of this subject. I will genuinely take into consideration the arguments made for either side.
I had previously questioned why scripture would liken us to guests of the wedding feast, which contradicts the role of a bride – I know no examples of a bride ever being a guest at her own wedding. I don’t think the scriptures said it THAT way without there being an important reason behind it. I feel there is something that is being missed…a part of the puzzle that can reconcile things.
I have to admit, though, that this particular doctrine is not necessarily burning at me for answers. I, at this point, feel that it is whatever it is – that we cannot change the role that is meant for us, either way. As of right now, I don’t feel that knowing or not knowing for sure what the answer is, plays a role in our salvation. But, with that being said, I am still certainly open to all possibilities!
Until next time 🙂
Your sister in Christ
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GrasshopperCarmel……Scripture says the 144,000 taken from the 12 tribes of ISRAEL, they are the virgins who have not been defiled with women. Scripture says, could these be the some Of the 10 vergins mentioned by JESUS IN SCRIPTURES? They seem to hold a special relationship with him.
peace and love to you and yours…………….gene
Scripture says the 144,000 taken from the 12 tribes of ISRAEL, they are the virgins who have not been defiled with women.
Gene,
Please I would appreciate it if you were to EXPAND a bit more regarding the above, in respect of your conclusions THAT THEY COULD SOMEHOW BE IN CONNECTION WITH THE 10 VIRGINS WHOM JESUS MENTIONED!
Personally, Jesus’10 virgins is a MORE A SPIRITUAL MESSAGE with regards to our FIVE SENSES related to the flesh, those who slept,and the five senses RELATED TO THE SOUL which brought the oil with them, and the oil is a reference to the ANOINTING WITH JESUS GOSPEL!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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