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Journey…..i agree it is God the Father that gets ALL THE GLORY. YOU HAVE BROUGHT OUT SOMEVERY GOOD POINTS BROTHER. Some good things to think about. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………..gene
J42
ok let go back to the church and bride ;can you define the difference between them or are those the same ,but with scriptures
Pierre
The Lamb of God is “The Word of God”
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
The Bride is God’s teachings. This is the true doctrine that comes down from heaven. God’s true teachings are symbolised as a Woman. (Rev 12) She’s not a real woman, but symbolised as a woman because she gives birth to her children.
Out of God’s doctrine, children are produced.
But the children are not “born” yet. They are still in the womb of this woman. This woman must go through labour pains before they are born. This means tribulation in real terms.
When her children are finally born, this will be the resurrection of the saints. They will be transformed into spirit.Christ, the lamb is not really marrying his mother.
Christ, is not marrying the saints.
Christ’s bride is that doctrine that comes from heaven.
The Word of God and his doctrine are true. They do not contradict, but are knit perfectly together like a glove.
We should of already received this doctrine which comes from heaven. We have been feeding on it, because the Lamb, The Word of God gave it to us already.
But the world has not received it. When this doctrine of God’s is ready to come down, Christ, the Lamb of God, who is the Word of God will deliver it to this earth.j42
you mean many things but no scriptures ;we agree “the word” his Jesus Christ ,the Lamb of God
but you missing many scriptures to backup your other claims so do so
j42
you mean many things but no scriptures ;we agree “the word” his Jesus Christ ,the Lamb of God
but you missing many scriptures to backup your other claims so do so
Pierre
Which claims? What exactly, the woman in rev 12 or what?
Ok, lets go again, round 5.
You agree that “The Word” is Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God. Good.
Well this lamb is symbolised as having a bride.Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Who gives this water of life freely?
Is it “the church”, or is it Christ?Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
It’s Christ that gives it.
What is this water of life?
Is it not the teachings that the Lamb gave us?
If we believe the Lamb was sent to deliver a message, that through him only can we have salvation, then this message he gave must be the teachings of God.John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
If the bride is the church as many teach, and the bride makes herself ready at Christ’s coming, then how can she “teach” or give water when it’s too late?
If we are thirsty, we must drink of this water before the lamb comes back. He gave the water when he was sent here. It is offered to us now to drink, otherwise we have no testimony of any spiritual knowledge whatsoever. We are supposed to be witnesses, that God’s doctrine is the right one, down to every fine detail, because the Lamb of God gave it.
We testify what will happen before it happens, otherwise we are not witnesses that God’s doctrine is true that the Lamb gave us. The whole doctrine, past, present and future.Some things you just cannot find explained in scripture. It’s putting everything together and understanding with the spirit God gave us. We are supposed to be brothers, and we are supposed to share and not keep to ourselves. If we show one another something, the glory is not ours, but comes from God. Nothing is hidden.
J42.
Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
wakeup.
Until it can be unquestionably proved that we, the body of Christ are “the “bride of Christ”,
Grasshopper,
TO BE CONSISTANT AND TO KEEP YOU IN TRACK WITH THE PREVIOUS POST,I HAVE TO REPEAT A BIT,
JERUSALEM IN BIBLICAL TERMS IS THE BODY!
THIS PARTICULAR BODY WAS GIVEN TO ADAM!
ADAM REJECTED GOD’S PROCESS,
GOD HAD TO SEND A HEAVENLY DIVINE MAN, THE NEW ADAM TO RECUPARATE ALL,
SPIRIT, SOUL AND BODY!
NOW I WILL START WITH THIS SCRIPTURE!
John3:29 He that hath the bride, is the bridegroom:…………..
JOHN HERE DECLARED THAT JESUS HAD THE BRIDE!
SO JESUS WITHIN HIMSELF WAS BOTH THE BRIDEGROOM AND THE BRIDE! IN THE SAME WAY ADAM WAS ALSO EVE IN HIMSELF!
SO JESUS WAS “THE WORD” THE BRIDEGROOM, AND ALSO THE SON OF GOD. SO IT IS LOGICAL ENOUGH THAT
THE BRIDE MUST ALSO BE “THE WORD”,AND THE DAUGHTER OF GOD,SINCE ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM!
SO WHAT DID JESUS OWN AS A UNIQUE ELEMENT TO MAKE HIM BOTH THE BRIDEGROOM AND THE BRIDE?
OBVIOUS HIS UNIQUE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY! THE HOLY CITY, THE NEW JERUSALEM!
NO ONE COULD FORM PART OF GOD’S KINGDOM UNLESS HE ACTUALLY OWN PART OF THIS UNIQUE BODY OF JESUS!
THE FACT THAT IT IS CALLED THE KINGDOM OF THE SON!
THIS UNIQUE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY WAS PAID AS A RANSOM FOR ALL THE ENTIRE CREATION!
SO GOD GLORIFIED JESUS IN HIMSELF! DIVINE!
AND GOD ALSO GLORIFIED HIMSELF IN JESUS’ UNIQUE FLESH BODY!
THIS IS EMPHATICALLY CLEAR ENOUGH IN
JOHN 13:31;32 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said:
Now is the Son of man glorified, IN GOD’S SPIRIT!
and God is glorified in him. IN JESUS’ FLESH!32 IF GOD BE GLORIFIED IN HIM,GOD ALSO WILL GLORIFY HIM IN HIMSELF;
and immediately will he glorify him.NOW BE AWARE THAT
THESE ONCE WERE TWO NATURES IN ONE BODY OF JESUS, SON OF GOD, AND SON OF MAN!
BUT THROUGH JESUS’ HOLY LIFE,AND HIS EVENTUAL DEATH,JESUS’ FLESH “THE WORD” BECAME SPIRIT AS WELL! THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS’SOUL.
THE HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS’SOUL, BECAME FLESH AS WELL! THROUGH JESUS’ FLESH BODY.
BUT AS JOHN SAID IN 13:31:32, ABOVE,BOTH OF THEM INTEGRATED AND BECAME ONE GLORIFIED DIVINE BODY:
SO GOD ALMIGHTY THROUGH JESUS’ DEATH HASN’T GOD JUST ONE SOURCE OF SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY,
BUT TWO!THE FACT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS DEFINITELY THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT
THE ONLY THROUGH GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!
ONE SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY ATTRIBUTED ACTUALLY TO JESUS SON OF GOD!
“THE WORD” REDEEMER OF HUMANITY WITH HIS BLOOD!THE BRIDEGROOM, AS JOHN DECLARED!
AND THE OTHER ATTRIBUTED TO THE HOLY SPIRIT ACQUIRED ALSO THROUGH JESUS’ SON OF GOD!
“THE WORD” THE SAVIOUR OF ALL!
AND IT IS WAITING FOR THE DAUGHTER OF GOD!
THE BRIDE TO BE! ALSO AS JOHN DECLARED:
THE ONE WHO HAS THE BRIDE IS THE BRIDEGROOM!
SINCE ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM!
MORE TO COME!
Peace and love in Jesus
CharlesI counted at least 31 exclamation points in that last post you directed at me…preceded by sentences in all caps.
First off, I do not appreciate being typed at loudly..especially when it’s unwarranted.
Second off, you quoted from my post as if those were MY words, but that quote is not mine. I merely posted something that was on Hub Pages (if you read the whole post you would have noticed that)- hence, all those exclamation points aimed toward me are unwarranted.
Third off, with that sort of unappealing aggression, I have to wonder WHO EXACTLY you are trying to convince – me or yourself?
That is all for now
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GYou asked me to give you reason as to why I believe that the church is the bride of Christ. Here is a passage from Isaiah that it is a group of people that is the bride, that which YHWH marries. YHWH here is the YHWH of hosts from Isa 8 that 2 Peter identifies as Jesus.
Isaiah 62
1For Zion’s sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.
2And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
3Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.
4Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
5For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
6I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,
7And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.
8The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn to be meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured:
9But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.
10Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.
11Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
12And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.
I hope that helps 🙂
Lightenup.
1. God does not marry men.
2. It is in the law that men can not marry men.
3.You need not just read, but learn to decern the scriptures as well.
4.You have not yet understood the Mystery.wakeup
@Wakeup
God (Jesus) marries the group of people called the church. He does not marry individuals. Marriage on earth is only a type of this marriage. Jesus becomes one with the church and cares for her as a bridegroom cares for a bride. I think it is a metaphor to stress the intimate relationship that Jesus has with the body of believers who confess Him as their LORD and wear the robe of Jesus’ righteousness.Lightenup.
You are contradicting yourself.
This is what you said previously.
You asked me to give you reason as to why I believe that the church is the bride of Christ. Here is a passage from Isaiah that it is a group of people that is the bride, that which YHWH marries. YHWH here is the YHWH of hosts from Isa 8 that 2 Peter identifies as Jesus.
wakeup
@Wakeup
The church is a group of people, correct? This group of people, as a unity, not individually, are the Bride of Christ. How is that a contradiction? Maybe you just misunderstood me.Hi Lightenup.
The church is said to be the body of Christ and the head is Christ. Do you agree?
Is Christ to marry his own body? No.
You need to discover God’s Woman; and the bride of Christ; Which is the daughter of God’s woman.wakeup.
I counted at least 31 exclamation points in that last post you directed at me…preceded by sentences in all caps.
Grasshopper,
HEREUNDER IS YOUR STATEMENT ON WHICH I’M GOING TO COMMENT!
ALSO, I AM DIRECTING THIS POST TO YOUR MISINTERPRETATION REGARDING MY MERELY CUSTOM OF POSTING IN ALL CAPS! WHICH TO ME IT SEEMED RATHER ODD THE FACT THAT YOU TOOK IT RATHER ANTAGONISTICALLY , CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT WE NEVER DISCUSSED ANYTHING, AS FAR AS MY MEMORY IS CONCERNED!Hello all A little while ago Journey posed a question to Wakeup concerning the bride of Christ. I did a few searches and found this post on Hub Pages. The caption certainly got my attention!
I am open to new revelations concerning scripture and will not refuse to see things just because the masses refuse to see. I am seeking and searching continually.I have to tell you, after seeing this post, I realized that this makes more sense. It seemed a bit off that Christ would marry His Own Body – We don’t marry ourselves, do we?
So yeah, I’m really just posting this so we can possibly get some dialogue going on about this subject.
NOW TO YOUR MISINTERPRETATION!
FIRST OFF: THEY WERE NOT DIRECTED TO YOU, AT ALL, BUT TO THE POST YOU FOUND ON THE HUB PAGES,
BUT OBVIOUS, ONLY FOR YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT THEM, SINCE YOU YOURSELF SUGGESTED IT AND EXPECTED TO GET SOME DIALOGUE ON ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT! NO?
YOU YOURSELF NEVER ACTUALLY COMMENTED AT ALL, EXCEPT THAT YOU COMMITTED YOURSELF TO IT, AND DECLARED THAT IT SEEMED A BIT OFF THAT CHRIST WOULD MARRY HIS OWN BODY, AND IT MAKES MORE SENSE, SINCE WE DON’T MARRY OURSELVES!
SO HEREUNDER IS REGARDING WHAT YOU ACTUALLY SAID,
WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN FAR BETTER OFF, AND ACCEPTED WHAT I POSTED INSTEAD!
SECOND OFF: YOUR CONCLUSIONS ARE FAR MORE THEN CORRUPTED, WITH EVERY RESPECT, SINCE YOU COMPARED JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY AND UNIQUE DIVINE BEING WHO PURPOSELY CAME MYSTERIOUSLY AND THROUGH AN UNFATHOMABLE PROCESS DOWN FROM HEAVEN, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT HE CAME IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS CORRUPTED BRETHREN, AND IN THE SAME TIME
TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND OPPOSITE TO HIS BRETHREN!
SO YES JESUS NOT JUST MARRIED HIMSELF!
BUT HE EVEN ATE HIMSELF IN THE LAST SUPPER, SINCE HE HELD HIS OWN BODY AND BLOOD IN HIS HANDS!
HE EVEN CREATED AND CAME THROUGH HIMSELF AS MARY! AS HER SOUL! “THE WORD”!
DECLARED SO BY HERSELF IN THE WORDS:Luke 1:46 And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. “THE WORD”!
HE EVEN RAISED HIMSELF FROM DEATH! BY HIS OWN SPIRIT!
DECLARED BY HIMSELF HERE!John10:18 No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself, and I have power to lay it down: and I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT UP AGAIN. This commandment have I received of my Father.
OBVIOUS SINCE SCRIPTURALLY IT IS WELL CLEAR THAT:
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM AND ALL FOR HIM!
THEREFORE IT IS EVIDENTLY CLEAR ENOUGH THAT THE CONTENTS WHICH WAS IN THE POST ON THE HUB PAGES,
WHICH YOU FOUND,
WHICH ,YOU YOURSELF POSTED
WHICH YOU YOURSELF DECLARED AND COMMITTED YOURSELF TO IT, WITHOUT ALLOWING OTHERS WHO WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY ENLIGHTENED YOU MORE IN THINGS WHICH YOU ARE COMPLETELY BLIND! LIKE ALL OF US ANYWAY! WE ALL NEED EACH OTHER’S WORLDLY WISDOM!
ALSO WITH YOUR COMMITMENT YOU SEEMED SO BOUND TO IT,
THAT ONE COULD JUST AS WELL CONSIDER THAT THEY ARE YOUR OWN WORDS AS WELL!THIRD OFF: SO DIALOGUE IS NOT POSSIBLE IN THAT KIND OF SITUATION!
THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ALREADY UPSET, BUT NOT FOR SURE REGARDING BOTH
MY POSTS IN ALL CAPS,
AND ALSO BY THE HEADING WHICH I POSTED!
Peace and love in Jesus
CharlesFirst off, I do not appreciate being typed at loudly.. especially when it’s unwarranted.
Grasshopper,
POSTING IN CAPITALS HAVE DIFFERENT INTENTIONS,AND MEANINGS
REGRADING MYSELF, FOR ONE GOOD REASON, I TYPE IN ALL CAPS TO SPOT MY OWN POSTS QUICKER WHILE SEARCHING DOWN THE PAGES, THEN IF I WERE TO SEARCH FOR MY NAME, ALSO,NOT ALL MY POSTS ARE ADDRESSED THE SAME! AND EVEN WRONGLY!
THIS APPLIES ALSO TO WHOMEVER WANTS TO EITHER ANSWER OR BY PASS MY POSTS!
ONE CASE IN PARTICULAR WAS ADDRESSED CAMILLA INSTEAD OF CARMEL OR CHARLES
NOW,
IF IT IS THE TRUTH, THAT YOU FELT SO UPSET ABOUT TYPING IN ALL CAPS, WHY DIDN’T YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN THE FIRST POST?
OR IS IT PERHAPS SIMPLY MEANS THAT YOU FEEL YOURSELF IN A WAY AWKWARD TO CONTRADICT ME ABOUT ANYTHING WRITTEN IN MY BOTH POSTS?
SO YOU OPTED THAT SOMEHEOW,
YOU FELT THAT UNDER THE MASK THAT I TYPED YOU IN ALL CAPS, AND ALSO THE HEADING, YOU COULD DO SO, BUT IN THE TRUTHIT IS ACTUALLY AIMED TO BYPASS TO CONTRADICT ME AT ALL, AND DEVIATE ME TO EITHER ANSWER YOUR WHAT IT SEEMED A JUSTIFIED POST, OR EVEN HOPING THAT I WOULD OPT TO BAIL AND YOU END UP AS A HERO!
EVEN IF IT MEANS NOT:
FIRST: TO RESPECT YOUR OWN WORDS,
SECOND: TO GET SOME DIALOGUE,
THIRD: TO ALSO OPEN YOURSELF TO NEW REVELATIONS CONCERNING SCRIPTURES: SOMETHING WHICH I CRAMMED MY POSTS WITH!
FORTH: TO BE READY, NOT TO REFUSE TO SEE THINGS JUST BECAUSE THE MASSES REFUSE TO SEE: SOMETHING WHICH YOU COMPLETELY DID, DUE TO THE FACT THAT I TYPED IN ALL CAPS!REALLY?
NOW ANSWER IN THE TRUTH:
WOULD YOU HAVE ACCEPTED MY POST IN ALL CAPS, AND ALSO THE SAME HEADING, IF IN A WAY WITH MY POSTS I EULOGIZED YOU?NO! DON’T ANSWER I WILL DO IT FOR YOU!
AND HOW! YOU WOULD NOT ONLY ACCEPTED, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY THANKED ME!
FROM THE OTHER HAND,
NEVERTHELESS, IF YOU TOOK IT SO OFF PUTTING, I APOLOGIZE!
SO FROM NOW ON, CONCERNING MY POSTS IN ALL CAPS IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT I AM IN A WAY AIMING TO UPSET YOU!
SINCE AFTER 1782 POSTS YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO RELATED MY ALL CAPS CUSTOM IN MY POSTS AS AN ACT OF ANTAGONISM DIRECTED TO YOU !NOW IT’S ALL CLEAR AND SETTLED TO GET SOME DIALOGUE!
IT’S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
j42
The Lamb of God is “The Word of God”
my question to you is this ;Is the son of God “the word of God ,and Jesus Christ the same being ?
my question to you is this ;Is the son of God “the word of God ,and Jesus Christ the same being ?
Terraricca,
AND HOW!
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
You claim to be a believer, but I see no Christlike characteristics in you so far. I dare say people like you who supposedly represent the Church are one of the main reasons why so many who are still lost refrain from seeking out God and Christ. You are putting out into the world a gross/damaging picture of Christian attitude/demeanor.
If and when you finally clean up your attitude, I might, at that point, actually discuss scripture with you.
Until then, have a nice day…
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Grasshopper
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