The Angel of the LORD

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  • #309322
    david
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    I find it irritating when someone creates a thread that you can't comment in, but I do understand the idea behind it. Anyway, first scriptures lightenup used:

    Mark 13:32
    Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
    But of that day and of that hour no man knows, neither the Angels of Heaven, neither The Son, but The Father only.”

    New International Version (©1984)
    “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

    I'm not sure these statements above prove what you want them to prove. It could simply be that it's pointing out that even the Son doesn't know. Example:

    No one knows the plan, not even the White House politicians, nor the Vice President, but only the President.

    Does that statement indicate that the Vice President isn't a politician? Or, is it highlighting the fact that the only one who knows is the President, stating that even the VP doesn't know?

    I know everyone wants to think of “angels” as a certain type of being and think of the Son as a different type of being. The word “angel” simply means messenger. It is the same word. Jesus was clearly God's chief messenger, repeatedly saying he came to the earth to deliver the message he was “sent” to deliver. It doesn't degrade Jesus to understand that he was providing the greatest message the earth has ever heard, and hence making him a messenger/angel of God.

    Of course, if one has a trinitarian bias, this whole thing must be thrown out and considered silly and not spoken of. But, words have meanings. And the meaning fits with what Jesus himself said he was on earth to do.

    #309375
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Aug. 15 2012,14:40)
    I find it irritating when someone creates a thread that you can't comment in, but I do understand the idea behind it.  Anyway, first scriptures lightenup used:

    Mark 13:32
    Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
    But of that day and of that hour no man knows, neither the Angels of Heaven, neither The Son, but The Father only.”

    New International Version (©1984)
    “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

    I'm not sure these statements above prove what you want them to prove.  It could simply be that it's pointing out that even the Son doesn't know.  Example:

    No one knows the plan, not even the White House politicians, nor the Vice President, but only the President.

    Does that statement indicate that the Vice President isn't a politician?  Or, is it highlighting the fact that the only one who knows is the President, stating that even the VP doesn't know?

    I know everyone wants to think of “angels” as a certain type of being and think of the Son as a different type of being.  The word “angel” simply means messenger.  It is the same word.  Jesus was clearly God's chief messenger, repeatedly saying he came to the earth to deliver the message he was “sent” to deliver.   It doesn't degrade Jesus to understand that he was providing the greatest message the earth has ever heard, and hence making him a messenger/angel of God.

    Of course, if one has a trinitarian bias, this whole thing must be thrown out and considered silly and not spoken of.  But, words have meanings.  And the meaning fits with what Jesus himself said he was on earth to do.


    David.

    ?? can you call God an angel too?
    He did bring messages to the prophets,did he not?
    Can God be called angel,as you said Jesus is also an angel.

    wakeup.

    #309381
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    You do know David is a “JW” – right?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #309385
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 15 2012,11:03)
    To all,

    Adam had a body prepared for him as his body was created of flesh and then God breathed Adam into it. This is clear from Genesis 2:7

    In a like manner Jesus also had a body prepared for him.  That body a descendant of David.

    A soul is the breath of God.

    Some seem to believe that Jehovah created a being composed of spirit and called it's kind his Son.  They believe this being was called the Messenger in the old testament. They also believe that being would latter become the Messiah.  

    Given their beliefs and that Jesus is that Messiah then it follows that he had a human body that Jehovah made for him to be reincarnated into.  His Son body was “emptied” of his soul while the later occupied his human body.  After he was finished with the human body he returned to his Son body.

    Since all souls come from God; what is so special about coming from above?

    When Jesus addressed certain unbelieving Jews he stated I come from above and you come from below.  What is he speaking of?


    Kerwin………Please post a scripture that says the Soul is a breath from God> I have found none that says that Specifically What my bible reads is, God took from the ground and formed a BODY and Breathed into that body the Breath of Life and thenMan became a living Soul so the obvious conclusion is “man” was not a “LIVING SOUL” until the Spirit of LIFE was added into Him so “MAN” was a DEAD SOUL until Life from God was put in him,.

    Souls can Die Kerwin Spirits can't Die. A soul is a COMPLETE BEING and for man that is a BODY with SPIRIT in it. Remember where it says thou shall not abandon my Soul “in the grave” neither shall thy allow thy holy one to see “corruption” It is in the grave that the Soul is corrupted and return back to the ground from which it came.

    Simply put a Soul is a body and a LIVING SOUL is a body with the spirit of life in it There is no MYSTERY attached to it Kerwin , when a person die he is gone for ever he is no longer alive , the soul goes to the pit (grave)and is corrupted and returns back to the dust from which “IT” was taken and the Spirit of Life returns back to Him (GOD) who gave “IT”.
    “The dead know nothing in the day they die their “THOUGHTS” Parish”. They are gone for good there is no life after we die Kerwin , until God resurrects a body and add Spirit back into it. Go read the valley of dead Bones and it is clear that no life without a BODY. Jesus truly died and did not live again until his “BODY” was resurected from the GRAVE and his Spirit was added back into it. It just that simple Kerwin.

    Mystery Religion has add all kind of ideas to that simplicity about life and death. There is No one that has been resurected from the dead except Jesus Christ all of Humanity awaits a resurrection that will “witness the redemption of our “BODIES”. It's all about a resurrection Kerwin Just the way Jesus was resurected so must we also be. Brother. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene

    #309386
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2012,07:20)

    Quote (t8 @ Aug. 15 2012,06:20)

    Quote (terraria @ Aug. 14 2012,18:34)
    K

    you can go to the Soul topic with this ,

    it seems you start to understand



    all

    we are a two part being ,1) the soul (the spirit part that return to God when we die)

    2) the part we need to do things ,this could be also two parts 1) spiritual body or an 2) flesh body ,both are working well and the soul can live in them and become one with them ,

    but it is God choice who received what .


    Terricca………Reread he picture you posted, what doe it say. “You don't have a Soulyou “are” a Soul That mean you, the complete YOU, is a LIVING Soul the Soul does not exist without a BODY . God can completely destory us by leaving us in the grave and not resurrecting us. It is absolutely Crucial we attain unto a RESURRECTION the will Wittiness the Redemption of our “BODIES”. There is no way around it, we are gone “forever” once we die unless God restores our Bodies and Adds Spirit back into them. It is our Hope that God will resurrect us Just as He resurected Jesus form the Grave.

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene

    #309411
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 15 2012,13:06)
    Journey42,

    Breath of life = Soul as the soul is the life of the body.

    Genesis 35:18
    King James Version (KJV)

    18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

    The soul itself became living when housed in flesh, therefore the flesh gave it life.


    Kerwin.

    Adam became a living soul.(gen2:7).
    The breath of life and the body,makes the soul.
    The breath of life goes back to where it came from,the body goes to the earth; the soul is preseveved for judgement day.

    The soul is the persons lifetime works while living.

    wakeup.

    #309416
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2012,07:28)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2012,07:20)

    Quote (t8 @ Aug. 15 2012,06:20)

    Quote (terraria @ Aug. 14 2012,18:34)
    K

    you can go to the Soul topic with this ,

    it seems you start to understand



    all

    we are a two part being ,1) the soul (the spirit part that return to God when we die)

    2) the part we need to do things ,this could be also two parts 1) spiritual body or an 2) flesh body ,both are working well and the soul can live in them and become one with them ,

    but it is God choice who received what .


    Terricca………Reread he picture you posted, what doe it say. “You don't have a Soulyou “are” a Soul That mean you, the complete YOU, is a LIVING Soul the Soul does not exist without a BODY . God can completely destory us by leaving us in the grave and not resurrecting us.  It is absolutely Crucial we attain unto a RESURRECTION the will Wittiness the Redemption of our “BODIES”. There is no way around it, we are gone “forever” once we die unless God restores our Bodies and Adds Spirit back into them.  It is our Hope that God will resurrect us Just as He resurected Jesus form the Grave.

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene


    gene

    look it is t8 that posted that picture :D

    #309419
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 16 2012,10:40)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 15 2012,13:06)
    Journey42,

    Breath of life = Soul as the soul is the life of the body.

    Genesis 35:18
    King James Version (KJV)

    18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

    The soul itself became living when housed in flesh, therefore the flesh gave it life.


    Kerwin.

    Adam became a living soul.(gen2:7).
    The breath of life and the body,makes the soul.
    The breath of life goes back to where it came from,the body goes to the earth; the soul is preseveved for judgement day.

    The soul is the persons lifetime works while living.

    wakeup.


    all wup;and gene ,kerwin

    why you guys do not read scriptures in stead of inventing your own ;

    Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    does anyone here knows what NOSTRILS ARE ???

    i do I use them sins birth ,and does anyone knows what breathed is ??? try to stop it you soon find out ,how mutch your live depend on it .

    SO STOP LIYING TO YOUR SELVES ,AND UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURES THE WAY THEY ARE WRITTEN ,THEY ARE TRUE,

    NO NEED TO INVENT WHAT IS NOT THERE

    #309422
    Ed J
    Participant

    To All,

    “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly;
    and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body
    be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”    (1 Thess 5:23)

    1. Spirit
    2. Soul
    3. Body

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #309425
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2012,11:35)
    To All,

    “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly;
    and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body
    be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”    (1 Thess 5:23)

    1. Spirit
    2. Soul
    3. Body

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ

    WHAT IS THE your whole spirit ” stands for ???

    #309426
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 16 2012,06:19)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2012,11:35)
    To All,

    “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly;
    and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body
    be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”    (1 Thess 5:23)

    1. Spirit
    2. Soul
    3. Body

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ

    WHAT IS THE your whole spirit ” stands for ???


    Hi Pierre,

    Certainly you don't have that much difficulty with English, do you?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #309427
    Ed J
    Participant

    Et le Dieu de paix vous sanctifie totalement,
    et je prie Dieu de votre esprit, l'âme et le corps
    soit conservé irrépréhensible, jusqu'à la venue de notre Seigneur Jésus-Christ

    #309428
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2012,13:31)
    Et le Dieu de paix vous sanctifie totalement,
    et je prie Dieu de votre esprit, l'âme et le corps
    soit conservé irrépréhensible, jusqu'à la venue de notre Seigneur Jésus-Christ


    :D :D :)

    #309431
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2012,13:30)

    Quote (terraria @ Aug. 16 2012,06:19)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2012,11:35)
    To All,

    “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly;
    and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body
    be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”    (1 Thess 5:23)

    1. Spirit
    2. Soul
    3. Body

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ

    WHAT IS THE your whole spirit ” stands for ???


    Hi Pierre,

    Certainly you don't have that much difficulty with English, do you?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    my English is fine ;it is with your interpretation that I am not at ease ,

    so what is your answer to it ???

    to me it is ,all the things you do ,think,and wishes for the wants and needs that are on your mind.

    the soul ;his who you are and are deeply influenced by the spirit ,and could be from the body

    the body; his our means to do ,and able us to fulfill all the things we do ,think,and wishes for the wants and needs that are on your mind.

    #309436
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Pierre,

    “your whole spirit and soul and body” <– this entire grouping goes together.

    Spirit + Soul + Body = you wholly

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #309437
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 15 2012,05:38)
    can you call God an angel too?
    He did bring messages to the prophets,did he not?


    If the king himself came to deliver his own message to the people, would the king be considered “one of the king's messengers”? Most likely not.

    I believe the basic meaning of “messenger” is someone who delivers the message of someone else.

    I'm not aware of any time that someone else sent God to deliver their message, are you?

    #309438
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2012,18:05)
    Mike,

    As you state, Adam's soul was not living until encased in flesh.


    What? When did I state that? ??? And how would that fit in with your claim that the “souls” of Paul and the elect will be clothed in a heavenly tent? Are those “souls” dead because they are no longer “encased in flesh”?

    As Ed has rightfully pointed out, scriptures list the soul, body, and spirit as separate things. Jesus himself says to not fear those who can only kill the body, but not harm the soul.

    Apparently, souls CAN live outside of flesh bodies.

    #309439
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2012,15:52)
    Hi Pierre,

    “your whole spirit and soul and body”      <– this entire grouping goes together.

    Spirit + Soul + Body =  you wholly

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    do you understand what I said ???

    #309446
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Pierre,

    Your spirit is the essence of you.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #309447
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Pierre,

    Your spirit is part of your soul and your soul is part of your body.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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