The Angel of the LORD

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 12 2012,17:14)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 12 2012,02:23) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2012,03:27) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 11 2012,01:53) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 10 2012,09:09) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 10 2012,04:24) Terricca……… Exactly I would not understand it in “WHICH WAY YOU SHOW IT” you have correctly said that at least , So Produce the “ONE SCRIPTURE” that says YOUR SATAN “IS” a ANGEL . Your trash talk and slamming me mean nothing to me or for that matter anyone else, Produce you PROOF ONE SCRIPTURE will do “IF YOU CAN”. peace and love ………………………………………………………………gene Hi Gene, H3742 כְּרוּב: cherub, plural cherubims An angelic being — cherub, (plural) cherubims. “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” (Ezek 28:14-15) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ………..Brother go to the very start of that whole thing and PLEASE NOTICE what God told EZEKIEL > It was a PROVERB ( fictitious illustrations) that was sent to the King , not and “ACTUAL” thing. It was never meant to be taken LITERALLY God was showing the King how (HIS) heart and Mind was working. Where his own hearth and mind had lifted him up to that position in life.  It's a “PROVERB”  (a factitious illustration) EDJ.   That proverb was sent to and about that person who it was sent to, and no where does it say it was sent to anyone other then him.  WE should not force the text to say what in fact it is not saying EDJ. Still waiting for them to produce “ONE TRUE” Scripture that say SATAN IS A ANGEL”. They  haven't yet neither can anyone else either. IMO peace and love to you and your EDJ…………………………………….gene Hi Gene, is this 'forcing' the text? “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God” (Ezek 28:13) God bless Ed J EDJ………Ezekiel was not sent to a SATAN BEING, to take up a PROVERB (fictitious illustration)against him,  but to the King of Babylon ONLY> And how do you Know if it was not the “SPIRIT” of a ha-satan that was “IN” the King of Babylon that was driving him to do the thing he was doing? Like His Pride and arrogant heart,  If you could understand that Satan is not a Person, but a Spirit that can indwell anyone , even as it indwell Peter at one time and the Pharisees . EdJ……….There are several thing that are clear in the text and that is Ezekiel was sent to the KING of BABYLON and what he was given to tell him was a PROVERB or a (factious illustration)  now you can change those FACTS if you want but they still exist, and you need to deal with these facts before you start making speculation about what was said brother. IMO peace and love to you and yours EDJ…………………………….gene Hi Gene, are you saying this is factitious now? “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God” (Ezek 28:13) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

any progress with our friend Gene

[kerwin]

T;

* Jesus is the Son of Man, as for the flesh; the outward man.

* Jesus is the Son of God, as for the spirit; the inward man.

* The new inward man comes from above as is righteous and holy as God.

* The new inward man is sent from above because Jehovah sends him.

These are easy to understand and yet you do not.

My sister advises me this has become a vain argument as you have blinded yourself in your zeal to advance what you have been taught by men. God instructs us to avoid vain arguments.

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 12 2012,16:26)

T; * Jesus is the Son of Man, as for the flesh; the outward man.   * Jesus is the Son of God, as for the spirit; the inward man. * The new inward man comes from above as is righteous and holy as God. * The new inward man is sent from above because Jehovah sends him. These are easy to understand and yet you do not.   My sister advises me this has become a vain argument as you have blinded yourself in your zeal to advance what you have been taught by men.  God instructs us to avoid vain arguments.

Hi Kerwin,

* What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? (John 6:62)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,07:53)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 11 2012,12:35) We must see him as God,for he created us. But he can never be without his owner.(the Father). But now you are reaching too far, and also speaking against scripture.  God created me and you.  We are not the creations of some “living word”, but of God Almighty Himself. However, God did create us (and everything else) by means of His Word, Jesus Christ. The Word is not God Himself, for He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another.

MikeB.

YYYYes, God and his word is one God,and his word is also Gods,and the Holy spirit is also Gods.
They both belong to the one God.

You and your word are not two creatures but one.
Yet if you have the power to bring your word out, and sitting next to you,then you will have two creatures(mike and his word),but you are still one person.

since God himself has appointed his son to be the mediator between God and man; we should worship the son,therefore we worship the father also.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2012,22:02)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2012,19:21) When Jesus speaks of coming from above he is certainly not speaking of his mortal flesh; as it comes from this world. And when the flesh and bone man Jesus Christ says, “I came from above”, or “I came down from heaven”, he is surely not saying, “The Messiahship within me came down from heaven”, or “The spirit within me came from above”. He uses the first person, personal pronoun “I“, Kerwin.  This means that THE PERSON Jesus Christ came down from heaven. I agree that his flesh body was prepared for him inside the body of Mary, for scripture says, “a body you prepared for me“, right? But consider the first person, personal pronoun “me” in that statement.  Surely the word “me” also refers to a PERSON who had a body prepared for him. In your understanding, the Word must have been a PERSON who had the flesh body of Jesus prepared for HIM.  Is that what you believe – that the Word was an INDIVIDUAL PERSON who lived alongside God and then was merged with the INDIVIDUAL PERSON of Jesus from Nazareth?

Mike,

Ecclesiastes 12:7
King James Version (KJV)

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 12 2012,17:01)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2012,22:02) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2012,19:21) When Jesus speaks of coming from above he is certainly not speaking of his mortal flesh; as it comes from this world. And when the flesh and bone man Jesus Christ says, “I came from above”, or “I came down from heaven”, he is surely not saying, “The Messiahship within me came down from heaven”, or “The spirit within me came from above”. He uses the first person, personal pronoun “I“, Kerwin.  This means that THE PERSON Jesus Christ came down from heaven. I agree that his flesh body was prepared for him inside the body of Mary, for scripture says, “a body you prepared for me“, right? But consider the first person, personal pronoun “me” in that statement.  Surely the word “me” also refers to a PERSON who had a body prepared for him. In your understanding, the Word must have been a PERSON who had the flesh body of Jesus prepared for HIM.  Is that what you believe – that the Word was an INDIVIDUAL PERSON who lived alongside God and then was merged with the INDIVIDUAL PERSON of Jesus from Nazareth? Mike, Ecclesiastes 12:7 King James Version (KJV) 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Kerwin.

The true person is what is in the inside not just the outside.
He could look all good from the outside,but it is the inner person that shows the truth of who he really is.
some look like white washed graves,white and clean on the outside only.

The flesh will turn to dust but the inner person will be preserved for judgement day.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 13 2012,00:01)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2012,22:02) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2012,19:21) When Jesus speaks of coming from above he is certainly not speaking of his mortal flesh; as it comes from this world. And when the flesh and bone man Jesus Christ says, “I came from above”, or “I came down from heaven”, he is surely not saying, “The Messiahship within me came down from heaven”, or “The spirit within me came from above”. He uses the first person, personal pronoun “I“, Kerwin.  This means that THE PERSON Jesus Christ came down from heaven. I agree that his flesh body was prepared for him inside the body of Mary, for scripture says, “a body you prepared for me“, right? But consider the first person, personal pronoun “me” in that statement.  Surely the word “me” also refers to a PERSON who had a body prepared for him. In your understanding, the Word must have been a PERSON who had the flesh body of Jesus prepared for HIM.  Is that what you believe – that the Word was an INDIVIDUAL PERSON who lived alongside God and then was merged with the INDIVIDUAL PERSON of Jesus from Nazareth? Mike, Ecclesiastes 12:7 King James Version (KJV) 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

K

are you try to say that the spirit that return is GODS WORDS

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 12 2012,23:26)

T; * Jesus is the Son of Man, as for the flesh; the outward man.   * Jesus is the Son of God, as for the spirit; the inward man. * The new inward man comes from above as is righteous and holy as God. * The new inward man is sent from above because Jehovah sends him. These are easy to understand and yet you do not.   My sister advises me this has become a vain argument as you have blinded yourself in your zeal to advance what you have been taught by men.  God instructs us to avoid vain arguments.

K

WOULD YOU BE SO KIND TO SHOW A SCRIPTURE BESIDE ALL YOUR COMMENTS ,THAT CHRIST HAD A INSIDE AND OUTSIDE BEING ,???

YOUR SISTER ADVISE COULD BE YOUR EXIT FOR NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS ON HAND ,WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT ,

CHRIST HAS NO INWARD OR OUTWARD BEING HE HIS TOTALLY THE SON OF GOD ,HE PROVE IT WITH OUT A DOUBT,THE IMAGE OF HIS FATHER ,

SO YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN ,BUT YOU CAN FOLLOW YOUR SISTER ,ADAM DID NOT LISTEN TO GOD NEITHER HE LISTEN TO HIS WIFE,

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 12 2012,12:30)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 12 2012,17:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2012,22:02) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2012,19:21) When Jesus speaks of coming from above he is certainly not speaking of his mortal flesh; as it comes from this world. And when the flesh and bone man Jesus Christ says, “I came from above”, or “I came down from heaven”, he is surely not saying, “The Messiahship within me came down from heaven”, or “The spirit within me came from above”. He uses the first person, personal pronoun “I“, Kerwin.  This means that THE PERSON Jesus Christ came down from heaven. I agree that his flesh body was prepared for him inside the body of Mary, for scripture says, “a body you prepared for me“, right? But consider the first person, personal pronoun “me” in that statement.  Surely the word “me” also refers to a PERSON who had a body prepared for him. In your understanding, the Word must have been a PERSON who had the flesh body of Jesus prepared for HIM.  Is that what you believe – that the Word was an INDIVIDUAL PERSON who lived alongside God and then was merged with the INDIVIDUAL PERSON of Jesus from Nazareth? Mike, Ecclesiastes 12:7 King James Version (KJV) 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Kerwin. The true person is what is in the inside not just the outside. He could look all good from the outside,but it is the inner person that shows the truth of who he really is. some look like white washed graves,white and clean on the outside only. The flesh will turn to dust but the inner person will be preserved for judgement day. wakeup.

Wakeup,

Pretty much!

[kerwin]

All,

The flesh comes from the earth and the soul comes above; for Jehovah is above.

God thus prepares the body for the soul to enter.

[terraricca]

k

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[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,03:02)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2012,19:21) When Jesus speaks of coming from above he is certainly not speaking of his mortal flesh; as it comes from this world. And when the flesh and bone man Jesus Christ says, “I came from above”, or “I came down from heaven”, he is surely not saying, “The Messiahship within me came down from heaven”, or “The spirit within me came from above”. He uses the first person, personal pronoun “I“, Kerwin.  This means that THE PERSON Jesus Christ came down from heaven. I agree that his flesh body was prepared for him inside the body of Mary, for scripture says, “a body you prepared for me“, right? But consider the first person, personal pronoun “me” in that statement.  Surely the word “me” also refers to a PERSON who had a body prepared for him. In your understanding, the Word must have been a PERSON who had the flesh body of Jesus prepared for HIM.  Is that what you believe – that the Word was an INDIVIDUAL PERSON who lived alongside God and then was merged with the INDIVIDUAL PERSON of Jesus from Nazareth?

Mike………God the Father Spoke in the “FIRST” Person through Jesus often, or don't you believe Jesus when he said , the words i am telling you are “NOT MINE” but the Words of Him who Sent Me, (and again) “the Father “IN ME” (HE) does the Works.

Who do you think said destory this temple and in three days “I” (GOD) shall raise “IT” up, and where God spoke through Jesus, Jerusalem O Jerusalem you who Kill the Prophets and stone those sent unto you , how often would “I” (GOD) have gathered you as a Hen does her Chick , but you would not, Now your house is left unto you dissolute , and you shall not see me (GOD) again until you say Blessed is he who come in the name of the LORD  

Do you really think that was Jesus Himself saying that or God the Father that was (IN) HIM Speaking (His own words) through HIM?,  As i have said over and over you simply do not understand what a SPIRIT really (IS)> your not alone though. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 12 2012,02:10)

g Quote Now lets get back to the ONE QUESTION I ask YOU , Show us “ONE” scripture that say Satan is a ANGEL we and i have shown you many actions and description of what scriptures are saying about who his the devil,what is his purpose,his powers, and why he became in opposition to his creator ,but it seems your understanding of Gods word is only limited to what the devil let you see in it , then you ask me to show you that those words “Satan is a ANGEL” are or do or can be found in scriptures ;why

Terricca……….Why?…….> becasue you and others mouth off, that YOUR SATAN GOD is a “ANGEL” So post the Scripture that says so. But i see your deceptive skills are hard at work again, Or you and they are Just “SPECULATING” and have been proven to be a Hypocrite becasue you say “Scripture says” Satan (IS) a Angel, but can not produce one scripture that says that. You Pride Pierre is preventing you from acknowledging the truth here Brother. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 11 2012,23:49)

You and your word are not two creatures but one. Yet if you have the power to bring your word out, and sitting next to you,then you will have two creatures(mike and his word),but you are still one person.

Sounds a little like the Trinity, Wakeup.

It's better to not imagine some “living word entity” floating around, and just accept that the sentient person Jesus is the Word of God.

He was a sentient being when the worlds were created through him. He was a sentient being when he had glory alongside his God before the world began. He was a sentient being when he was sent into the world. He was a sentient being after he was made in the likeness of a human being. And he is a sentient being now that he has ascended back to where he came from.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 12 2012,00:01)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2012,22:02) In your understanding, the Word must have been a PERSON who had the flesh body of Jesus prepared for HIM.  Is that what you believe – that the Word was an INDIVIDUAL PERSON who lived alongside God and then was merged with the INDIVIDUAL PERSON of Jesus from Nazareth? Mike, Ecclesiastes 12:7 King James Version (KJV) 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

I can't see how that scripture answers the question I asked you, Kerwin. Please try again.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 12 2012,08:41)

Mike………God the Father Spoke in the “FIRST” Person through Jesus often, or don't you believe Jesus when he said , the words i am telling you are “NOT MINE” but the Words of Him who Sent Me, (and again) “the Father “IN ME” (HE) does the Works.

I know of no instance where we are CLEARLY taught that God Himself spoke first person through Jesus.

And your bolded part only confirms that it was JESUS who was telling them God's words. That is the opposite of God speaking first person through him.

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2012,08:51)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 12 2012,02:10) g Quote Now lets get back to the ONE QUESTION I ask YOU , Show us “ONE” scripture that say Satan is a ANGEL we and i have shown you many actions and description of what scriptures are saying about who his the devil,what is his purpose,his powers, and why he became in opposition to his creator ,but it seems your understanding of Gods word is only limited to what the devil let you see in it , then you ask me to show you that those words “Satan is a ANGEL” are or do or can be found in scriptures ;why Terricca……….Why?…….> becasue you and others mouth off, that YOUR SATAN GOD is a “ANGEL” So post the Scripture that says so. But i see your deceptive skills are hard at work again, Or you and they are Just “SPECULATING” and have been proven to be a Hypocrite becasue you say “Scripture says” Satan (IS) a Angel, but can not produce one scripture that says that. You Pride Pierre is preventing you from acknowledging the truth here Brother. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene

g

can you show me in scritures that YOU GENE WILL BE SAVED IF NOT THIS WOULD MEAN THEN THAT YOU CAN NOE BE SAVED RIGHT

[terraricca]

K

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God thus prepares the body for the soul to enter.

would you then say that it is the soul of Christ THE WORD OF GOD that God placed in Mary womb

[kerwin]

All,

Jesus' soul came from above and was placed in the flesh that was prepared for him by Jehovah.

The flesh was prepared when Mary conceived the body of Jesus by the power of Jehovah acting through the Holy Spirit.

Paul speaks of his and his listeners soul with the plural pronoun “we” instead of the words “our soul”.

2 Corinthians 5
King James Version (KJV)

1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 13 2012,17:18)

All, Jesus' soul came from above and was placed in the flesh that was prepared for him by Jehovah. The flesh was prepared when Mary conceived the body of Jesus by the power of Jehovah acting through the Holy Spirit. Paul speaks of his and his listeners soul with the plural pronoun “we” instead of the words “our soul”. 2 Corinthians 5 King James Version (KJV) 1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

K

what do you understand by a SOUL ???is this a being or something else

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