The Angel of the LORD

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 11 2012,09:52)

Terricca………….OK I WILL and then You show us where SATAN IS SAID to be an ANGEL OK?

1……….Ezekiel , and Jesus , and ALL of Man KIND are called Sons of Man.
2………. See above. Jesus was maned the Son of Man becasue His (IS) a SON of Man.
3……….Been discussed many times before , the word Before is a POSITION and meaning TIME>
4………. All the Prophets were sent from above and that includes Jesus also.
5……….All thing came down from God the FATHER Or don't you believe Jesus who said “OUR” FATHER who is in heaven
6……..No one is the word of god that became Flesh, The word of God is Spirit and came to be (IN) the Flesh man Jesus.
7…….. Al scripture has the Word of God (in) them and Jesus also Had the words of Gd in Him and so did the Prophets. God and His word are one and the same thing they can not be separated no more then you and your words can be separated>
8……No man claimed to come “DOWN” physically from Heaven They can be Sent out into the world from Heaven By GOD as many were. Jesus was in the PLAN and WILL of God from the very beginning and was Brought into existence by God at the appointed time. Cyrus the Kings was also brought into existence at His appoint time so are we to say He also came down form Heaven and what about Jeremiah the Prophet?
9………..All who are Born of the Spirit are NOW SON of GOD, or don't you believe Scriptures that say that. The spirit of God is from ABOVE and (IT) was and IS in Jesus and ALL who HAVE (IT) (IN) them, there is not difference it is all of the Same Spirit from ABOVE and is Not of this world even as Jesus said His Apostles were not of the World and Him also.

10……> God as the only one who existed from the beginning Or ORIGIN of (ALL) CREATION. He and his WORD are ONE and THE SAME thing.
11………..No apostle claimed any Man created anything much less All things.
12……….I can and do claim that as well as my Brother Jesus and all his disciples and Saint do also.
13………I do and you have no understanding of the Power of God or you could easily understand how that is Possible as explained to you before Now you seen to be the Liar and deny that Power of God to Manipulate the DNA of anyone he chooses to.

Now enough of you games , Show us all where “ANY” SCRIPTURE SAYS SATAN is A ANGEL.

peace and love………………………………………gene

gene

are your answers (1-13)the truth or basically your opinion

because you do not show scriptures right

if it is OPINIONS please we do not need OPINIONS BUT TRUTH IF YOU HAVE ANY THAT IS.

August 11, 2012 at 8:17 am#308810

kerwin

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2 Corinthians 4
King James Version (KJV)

10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.
13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.
16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

* The outward man is the mortal flesh, see v11.
* The inward man is the life of Jesus, see v11.

Romans 6
King James Version (KJV)

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

It is the old inward man which reigned in the mortal outer man that is crucified with Christ and the new inward man is raised with him to reign in the mortal outer man.

August 11, 2012 at 11:03 am#308814

Proclaimer

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 17 2012,03:25)

T8………Surely you Jest, where is the Word “JESUS” written in John 1:1 , isn't that a little hypocritical of you brother when that is exactly what PREEXISTENCES all DO .

Wake up Gene. This book is about Jesus and he was not called Jesus/Yeshua when he was in the glory of God before the world began. So why would you see his earthly name mentioned before he partook of flesh. You would not. He was the Word who became flesh.

And if you want a similar but different account then you don't need to go any further than John's other letters.

1 John 1
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

This truth is holy and it is swine that trample it into the mud. You control the rudder for your ship. I cannot force you to do anything. But if there is any value in your character, you would at least consider this truth.

1) Ask yourself what it was that was in the beginning according to John in this text.

2) Ask yourself who was the eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us.

If you cannot be honest even with yourself, then why are you here?
What is the point in being obstinate because there is no reward in being obstinate.

August 11, 2012 at 2:31 pm#308815

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Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2012,19:01)

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like always no scriptures ,just statements without understanding, they can only be true if THE WORD =CHRIST THE SON OF GOD WAS SEND DOWN FROM HEAVEN AS HE SAYS AND AS HIS DISCIPLES SAID,YOU DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ,YOU ONLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT AND THE WAY YOU FEEL LIKE IT ;THIS IS WRONG OF THE DEVIL.

I am continuously quoting the passages of the bible which teach us that Jesus was conceived of Mary, as well as other things. It is not that I do not quote them but instead that there is that within you that does not want to believe them. Stop doubting and believe that Jesus was conceived of Mary, the seed of David, in regards to the flesh, Romans 1:3.

The Spirit of Christ comes from above; and by it the Prophets speak the Word; and so reveal they are from above and so strangers and pilgrims in this world; so are all people of God; just as it is written:

Hebrews 11:13
King James Version (KJV)

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Jesus is greater than the Prophets, as he is the Christ; the firstborn of those with God’s Word written on his heart and put in him.

Romans 8:29
King James Version (KJV)

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Jeremiah 31:33
King James Version (KJV)

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

how are your quoted scriptures explain what is discussed

you do not even understand what Paul is saying,

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Jesus is greater than the Prophets, as he is the Christ; the firstborn of those with God’s Word written on his heart and put in him.

is this comment of yours suppose to explain Col1;15-24

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Col 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior.
Col 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
Col 1:23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

MAY BE YOU SHOULD READ IT AGAIN

August 11, 2012 at 2:35 pm#308817

GeneBalthrop

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T8………. Life was indeed with the FATHER in fact life is of the FATHER, and it came to be (IN) Jesus by the Anointing He recieved and yes that life that came to be :IN: Jesus' flesh did exist with the Father from eternity and He was “IN” Jesus and Yes the Disciples saw it and acknowledge it as being “IN” Jesus the Christ. “WHERE can we go for “YOU” HAVE the WORDS OF LIFE”, They said.

Your mixing up the Person Jesus with the Anointing (in) Him. The Anointing of Jesus and Jesus are not the same thing as you “ASSUME” , The anointing is what was (IN) the Man Jesus and (IT) was the life giving Words of God being Spoken to us through Jesus.

Again you are confusing Jesus with the Anointing on and in him. The word became Flesh is in this sense, (IT) came to BE (IN) the MAN JESUS, and it also can be (IN) us also, or don't you believe Jesus when he said, “(IT) would not be You Speaking but the Spirit of the Father Speaking “IN” YOU.

T8 your doctrine of Separation of Jesus from our exact humanity is false. You recieved it from your past Trinitarian assoications they are just as much Preexistences as you are, And more it is against the Works and Testimonies of Jesus and God the Father also, for this reason it is indeed Antichrist IMO

peace and love to you and yours T8………………………………………………………….gene

August 11, 2012 at 2:59 pm#308822

GeneBalthrop

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 11 2012,03:31)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 11 2012,09:52)

Terricca………….OK I WILL and then You show us where SATAN IS SAID to be an ANGEL OK?

Now enough of you games , Show us all where “ANY” SCRIPTURE SAYS SATAN is A ANGEL.

peace and love………………………………………gene

gene

are your answers (1-13)the truth or basically your opinion

because you do not show scriptures right

if it is OPINIONS please we do not need OPINIONS BUT TRUTH IF YOU HAVE ANY THAT IS.

Terricca………Quite trying to change the Subject i answered you questions, and yes they are my Opinions Based on how i understanding scriptures,

Now lets get back to the ONE QUESTION I ask YOU , Show us “ONE” scripture that say Satan is a ANGEL

Peace and love……………………………………gene

August 11, 2012 at 2:59 pm#308823

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Romans 6
King James Version (KJV)

It is the old inward man which reigned in the mortal outer man that is crucified with Christ and the new inward man is raised with him to reign in the mortal outer man.

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Your Fellow Student,

Kerwin

1) HOW CAN THE OLD INWARD MAN REIGN IN YOU IF YOU HAVE ACCEPTED CHRIST ???NO; VERSE 3
THE OLD INWARD MAN HAS TO DIE BECAUSE OF ;THE FACT THAT YOU NOW LIVE FOR CHRIST AND NO LONGER FOR THE SATISFACTION OF THE FLESH;VERSE 10

2) THE NEW MAN IS TO BE IN CHARGE OF HIS LIVE AND NOT FOLLOW THE WAY OF THE FLESH ;VERSE 12

3) IF WE ACT IN THE WAY OF CHRIST WE WILL NOT DIE JUST AS CHRIST WAS RESURRECTED SO WOULD WE;VERSE 8

SO THE CONCLUSION ;IS THAT THE INNER MAN AND THE OLD OUTER MAN ARE ONLY DIFFERENT IN THEIR ACTIONS AND BELIEVES ,THE INNER WITH FAITH IS OF GOD ,THE OLD OUTER MAN IS OF THE WORLD AND SIN ,

so your comment does not fit those scriptures you are quoting

August 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm#308824

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Now lets get back to the ONE QUESTION I ask YOU , Show us “ONE” scripture that say Satan is a ANGEL

we and i have shown you many actions and description of what scriptures are saying about who his the devil,what is his purpose,his powers, and why he became in opposition to his creator ,but it seems your understanding of Gods word is only limited to what the devil let you see in it ,

then you ask me to show you that those words “Satan is a ANGEL” are or do or can be found in scriptures ;why

August 11, 2012 at 3:23 pm#308825

GeneBalthrop

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2012,03:27)

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peace and love ………………………………………………………………gene

Hi Gene, H3742

כְּרוּב: cherub, plural cherubims
An angelic being — cherub, (plural) cherubims.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Still waiting for them to produce “ONE TRUE” Scripture that say SATAN IS A ANGEL”. They haven't yet neither can anyone else either. IMO

peace and love to you and your EDJ…………………………………….gene

Hi Gene, is this 'forcing' the text?

“Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God” (Ezek 28:13)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ………Ezekiel was not sent to a SATAN BEING, to take up a PROVERB (fictitious illustration)against him, but to the King of Babylon ONLY> And how do you Know if it was not the “SPIRIT” of a ha-satan that was “IN” the King of Babylon that was driving him to do the thing he was doing? Like His Pride and arrogant heart, If you could understand that Satan is not a Person, but a Spirit that can indwell anyone , even as it indwell Peter at one time and the Pharisees .

EdJ……….There are several thing that are clear in the text and that is Ezekiel was sent to the KING of BABYLON and what he was given to tell him was a PROVERB or a (factious illustration) now you can change those FACTS if you want but they still exist, and you need to deal with these facts before you start making speculation about what was said brother. IMO

peace and love to you and yours EDJ…………………………….gene

August 11, 2012 at 4:02 pm#308839

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Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2012,19:21)

When Jesus speaks of coming from above he is certainly not speaking of his mortal flesh; as it comes from this world.

And when the flesh and bone man Jesus Christ says, “I came from above”, or “I came down from heaven”, he is surely not saying, “The Messiahship within me came down from heaven”, or “The spirit within me came from above”.

He uses the first person, personal pronoun “I“, Kerwin. This means that THE PERSON Jesus Christ came down from heaven.

I agree that his flesh body was prepared for him inside the body of Mary, for scripture says, “a body you prepared for me“, right?

But consider the first person, personal pronoun “me” in that statement. Surely the word “me” also refers to a PERSON who had a body prepared for him.

In your understanding, the Word must have been a PERSON who had the flesh body of Jesus prepared for HIM. Is that what you believe – that the Word was an INDIVIDUAL PERSON who lived alongside God and then was merged with the INDIVIDUAL PERSON of Jesus from Nazareth?

August 11, 2012 at 5:33 pm#308849

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,03:02)

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When Jesus speaks of coming from above he is certainly not speaking of his mortal flesh; as it comes from this world.

He uses the first person, personal pronoun “I“, Kerwin. This means that THE PERSON Jesus Christ came down from heaven.

I agree that his flesh body was prepared for him inside the body of Mary, for scripture says, “a body you prepared for me“, right?

But consider the first person, personal pronoun “me” in that statement. Surely the word “me” also refers to a PERSON who had a body prepared for him.

Mike b.

A body you have prepared for me,is a good one.
The spirit word tranformed into flesh through the womb.

wakeup.

August 11, 2012 at 5:51 pm#308853

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But read the rest of my post to Kerwin, Wakeup. Unless the “spirit word” was a PERSON, then personal pronouns couldn't be used of “it”.

Whoever became flesh through Mary was ALREADY an individual PERSON/BEING before HE became flesh.

August 11, 2012 at 6:11 pm#308855

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,04:51)

But read the rest of my post to Kerwin, Wakeup. Unless the “spirit word” was a PERSON, then personal pronouns couldn't be used of “it”.

Whoever became flesh through Mary was ALREADY an individual PERSON/BEING before HE became flesh.

Mike b.

Gods word is a living word and God can turn him into anything he please. A tree,a cloud,a mountain,a rock, a person.

wakeup.

August 11, 2012 at 6:22 pm#308857

Blocked

And do you believe this “living word” is:

A. God Himself?

B. SomeTHING other than God?

C. SomeONE other than God?

August 11, 2012 at 6:35 pm#308861

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,05:22)

And do you believe this “living word” is:

A. God Himself?

B. SomeTHING other than God?

C. SomeONE other than God?

Mike b.

This living word is,that came out of Gods mouth.
The word is he that do all the works of God.
He is always in obedience to his owner.

We must see him as God,for he created us.
But he can never be without his owner.(the Father).

Your word is as powerful as you are; but your word can not act without you.You and your word are one.

wakeup.

August 11, 2012 at 8:44 pm#308874

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To whom it may concern.

Jesus has gone back to his Father and is sitting next to his Father,but his spirit is with us for 2000yrs now.

His spirit is with us now,in the form of a book called the bible(the book of life),but we dont see the paper and ink,but the power in the words. The world has tried to corrupt those words,but the true followers can weed them out,somehow.

The words in the bible is the flesh of Christ and we must feed on it,so we can have that spirit in us,for it is life.Not just holding it in our hands,or having it in the home,or just a little taste every now and again.Not good enough; or having it with some other food.

If we start feeding on strange flesh,we can only get confused.
And that is not Gods will,and that is breaking the rule.

Many books has been created by man,this is satans working to confuse the seekers.We must stay with the one book,and the Holy spirit will be our teacher.

How many books of knowledge regarding God are there in heaven? one, or many?

The word of God is what comes out of his mouth; all is created by the word that came out of Gods mouth.
God and his word are one.His word does all the works.

There is no one beside God,but God and the word inside him.
But he can bring that word outside of himself,and give that word a body (shape) as he please.

This is where most fail to understand.
That same word came out of God and was given a body of a lower substance,(flesh).John16:27. —I CAME OUT FROM GOD.

16:28 I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER.

If we have the word in us;we also will be one with the Father in spirit. we never can become God himself.
Jesus(the word) said in gen.3:22. man is become as one of us.
Man has become -AS- gods: but how? By knowing good and evil.

We know good and evil, but we should leave out the evil,and should keep the good. Evil man dont know how to do good,BUT DO EVIL CONSISTENTLY.
To do good is foolishness to them.To be humble is weakness to them.The humble are them that God seeks.

wakeup.

August 11, 2012 at 8:49 pm#308875

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 11 2012,12:35)

Mike b.

This living word is,that came out of Gods mouth.
The word is he that do all the works of God.
He is always in obedience to his owner.

So your answer is “B” then? You believe the “living word” is someONE other than God? With this I agree.

August 11, 2012 at 8:53 pm#308876