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Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2012,22:03) Jesus was not one of the angels at Mamre as God did not speak through him at that time;
Says who? Hebrews 1 tells us two things:
1. God has spoken to us in the past through various agencies.
2. God has spoken to us recently through His Son Jesus.Neither of those two things say that Jesus is not one of the “various ways” God spoke to us in the past.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2012,22:03) nor is he an angel as the World to come is not subject to angels, though is subject to him.
The word is “messenger”, Kerwin. It is only “angel” in English. So when Paul says that God did not subject the world to come to MESSENGERS, what is meant? Does it mean that NO SINGLE BEING who rules over the world to come will be a messenger of God? Or is Paul talking specifically about one group of “messenger”?I'd say it is the latter, and Jesus is not a part of that group, but rules over that group. But does that mean that Jesus is not still a messenger of his God?
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2012,22:03) Jesus did not say he was in existence before Abraham was in existence.
And Jesus did not say he HAD BEEN among Philip for a long time. See? I can do that too, Kerwin. I can claim something I know is not the real teaching of scripture, just for the sake of claiming it.But the FACT of the matter is that you and I both KNOW that “have I been” is the CORRECT meaning of 14:9. You and I both KNOW that “I have served” is the CORRECT meaning of Luke 15:29. You and I both KNOW that “he came” is the CORRECT meaning of Matthew 26:40. And you and I both KNOW that “I have been (existed)” is the CORRECT meaning of 8:58.
It seems you have no problem accepting the TRUE meaning of the other three (plus many more in scripture), but because 8:58 messes with your doctrine, you refuse to accept the obvious.
I hope I never get the the point that my own personal doctrine forces me to make illogical mish-mash sentences out of easy to understand scriptural teachings.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2012,23:13) * Scripture states the Spirit of Christ comes from above; you disagree.
Kerwin,- Scripture states that the flesh and blood man Jesus said HE came from above; you disagree.
- Scripture states that the flesh and blood man Jesus said HE came down from heaven; you disagree.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 09 2012,10:20) k you make me sick ,the way you use scriptures
I don't suppose I would post it that harshly, but I do feel your pain, Pierre.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2012,16:13) T, * Scripture states Jesus was conceived of Mary; you disagree.
* Scripture states the Spirit of Christ comes from above; you disagree.
Mike, are you going to answer these questions?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2012,04:32) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2012,23:13) * Scripture states the Spirit of Christ comes from above; you disagree.
Kerwin,- Scripture states that the flesh and blood man Jesus said HE came from above; you disagree.
- Scripture states that the flesh and blood man Jesus said HE came down from heaven; you disagree.
Mike,Nowhere does Jesus state his flesh and blood comes from above.
What is written is:
Romans 1:3
King James Version (KJV)3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Notice the words “according to the flesh”.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2012,17:02) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2012,16:13) T, * Scripture states Jesus was conceived of Mary; you disagree.
* Scripture states the Spirit of Christ comes from above; you disagree.
Mike, are you going to answer these questions?
Ed,1. They are not questions, but statements.
2. They were not stated to me, but to Pierre.
3. I did address the 2nd one with a post to Kerwin, even though I'm not sure which scripture actually says, “the spirit of christ comes from above”.
4. I personally don't disagree with the first one.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2012,17:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2012,04:32) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2012,23:13) * Scripture states the Spirit of Christ comes from above; you disagree.
Kerwin,- Scripture states that the flesh and blood man Jesus said HE came from above; you disagree.
- Scripture states that the flesh and blood man Jesus said HE came down from heaven; you disagree.
Mike,Nowhere does Jesus state his flesh and blood comes from above.
Kerwin,Please re-read my statements more carefully, and tell me whether or not you agree with these things that the flesh and blood human being Jesus Christ said in scripture.
T;
Quote like always no scriptures ,just statements without understanding, they can only be true if THE WORD =CHRIST THE SON OF GOD WAS SEND DOWN FROM HEAVEN AS HE SAYS AND AS HIS DISCIPLES SAID,YOU DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ,YOU ONLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT AND THE WAY YOU FEEL LIKE IT ;THIS IS WRONG OF THE DEVIL. I am continuously quoting the passages of the bible which teach us that Jesus was conceived of Mary, as well as other things. It is not that I do not quote them but instead that there is that within you that does not want to believe them. Stop doubting and believe that Jesus was conceived of Mary, the seed of David, in regards to the flesh, Romans 1:3.
The Spirit of Christ comes from above; and by it the Prophets speak the Word; and so reveal they are from above and so strangers and pilgrims in this world; so are all people of God; just as it is written:
Hebrews 11:13
King James Version (KJV)13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Jesus is greater than the Prophets, as he is the Christ; the firstborn of those with God’s Word written on his heart and put in him.
Romans 8:29
King James Version (KJV)29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Jeremiah 31:33
King James Version (KJV)33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2012,06:51) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2012,17:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2012,04:32) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2012,23:13) * Scripture states the Spirit of Christ comes from above; you disagree.
Kerwin,- Scripture states that the flesh and blood man Jesus said HE came from above; you disagree.
- Scripture states that the flesh and blood man Jesus said HE came down from heaven; you disagree.
Mike,Nowhere does Jesus state his flesh and blood comes from above.
Kerwin,Please re-read my statements more carefully, and tell me whether or not you agree with these things that the flesh and blood human being Jesus Christ said in scripture.
Mike,* I believe that like Abraham, Jesus was and is a stranger in this world, even though the flesh of both was conceived of a woman.
* I believe that his Spirit comes from above.
* I believe that the Messiah-ship comes from above.When Jesus speaks of coming from above he is certainly not speaking of his mortal flesh; as it comes from this world.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2012,17:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2012,04:32) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2012,23:13) * Scripture states the Spirit of Christ comes from above; you disagree.
Kerwin,- Scripture states that the flesh and blood man Jesus said HE came from above; you disagree.
- Scripture states that the flesh and blood man Jesus said HE came down from heaven; you disagree.
Mike,Nowhere does Jesus state his flesh and blood comes from above.
What is written is:
Romans 1:3
King James Version (KJV)3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Notice the words “according to the flesh”.
Kwho his the man called THE SON OF MAN
WHO HIS THE MAN NAMED THE SON OF GOD
WHO HIS THE THE MAN THAT WAS BEFORE JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS
WHO WAS THE MAN GOD SEND FROM ABOVE
WHO WAS THE MAN THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER
WHO HIS THE WORD OF GOD THAT BECAME FLESH
WHO WAS THAT WORD OF GOD ; THAT ALL THE APOSTLES TOUCHED SEW,EARED PREACHING AND SAW HIM BEING LIFTED UPWARD
WITCH MAN CLAIM THAT HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN
WITCH MAN WAS DECLARE BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO GODS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
WHO WAS HE THAT WAS EXISTING FROM THE BEGINNING BEFORE CREATION
WHO WAS THE MAN THAT THE APOSTLES CLAIM THAT ALL WAS CREATED THROUGH HIM
WITCH MAN CAN CLAIM THAT HIS FATHER WAS,HIS GOD,AND FOR EVER WILL BE
WHO IS THE LIAR THAT SAYS THAT A MAN CAN BE 100% MAN AND YET ONLY HAVE A WOMEN FOR A PARENT
PLEASE ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2012,11:48) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2012,17:02) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2012,16:13) T, * Scripture states Jesus was conceived of Mary; you disagree.
* Scripture states the Spirit of Christ comes from above; you disagree.
Mike, are you going to answer these questions?
Ed,1. They are not questions, but statements.
2. They were not stated to me, but to Pierre.
3. I did address the 2nd one with a post to Kerwin, even though I'm not sure which scripture actually says, “the spirit of christ comes from above”.
4. I personally don't disagree with the first one.
HI Mike,So you don't disagree with either than – good, neither do I.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgT;
To answer your questions you require knowledge of the inward and outward man.
2 Corinthians 4
King James Version (KJV)16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2012,22:24) T; To answer your questions you require knowledge of the inward and outward man.
2 Corinthians 4
King James Version (KJV)16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
kYOU ARE BLOWING THE WIND ,and you now recognized that you do not know Christ nor his father ,this is important to know for us,
you arguing in full blindness ,this is absurd,
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 10 2012,11:31) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2012,22:24) T; To answer your questions you require knowledge of the inward and outward man.
2 Corinthians 4
King James Version (KJV)16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
kYOU ARE BLOWING THE WIND ,and you now recognized that you do not know Christ nor his father ,this is important to know for us,
you arguing in full blindness ,this is absurd,
T;So it seems you lack knowledge of the inward and outward man. Obtain that knowledge and those questions can be answered. Lacking that knowledge means you will not understand the answers.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 11 2012,01:13) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 10 2012,11:31) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2012,22:24) T; To answer your questions you require knowledge of the inward and outward man.
2 Corinthians 4
King James Version (KJV)16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
kYOU ARE BLOWING THE WIND ,and you now recognized that you do not know Christ nor his father ,this is important to know for us,
you arguing in full blindness ,this is absurd,
T;So it seems you lack knowledge of the inward and outward man. Obtain that knowledge and those questions can be answered. Lacking that knowledge means you will not understand the answers.
KPlease answer the questions and show us all your real understanding in scriptures,
The verse you quoted me in 2CKor:4 is talking about us men that halve changed in wards ,and so the outward men has died ,because he does not follows the seduction of the flesh,any more
But Christ did not add any bad orientation or desires ,so this can not be used for Christ in any way,
So answer all of the questions one by one , their are more but this will do
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2012,12:01) T; Quote like always no scriptures ,just statements without understanding, they can only be true if THE WORD =CHRIST THE SON OF GOD WAS SEND DOWN FROM HEAVEN AS HE SAYS AND AS HIS DISCIPLES SAID,YOU DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ,YOU ONLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT AND THE WAY YOU FEEL LIKE IT ;THIS IS WRONG OF THE DEVIL. I am continuously quoting the passages of the bible which teach us that Jesus was conceived of Mary, as well as other things. It is not that I do not quote them but instead that there is that within you that does not want to believe them. Stop doubting and believe that Jesus was conceived of Mary, the seed of David, in regards to the flesh, Romans 1:3.
The Spirit of Christ comes from above; and by it the Prophets speak the Word; and so reveal they are from above and so strangers and pilgrims in this world; so are all people of God; just as it is written:
Hebrews 11:13
King James Version (KJV)13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Jesus is greater than the Prophets, as he is the Christ; the firstborn of those with God’s Word written on his heart and put in him.
Romans 8:29
King James Version (KJV)29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Jeremiah 31:33
King James Version (KJV)33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Kerwin……….You have it right Brother, They simply do not understand the Truth nor do they desire it either. Trinitarians and Preexistences are one and the same, they both preach a false Christ and their work is a work of separation They can not accept Jesus as a Human Being, They have just as it says, 'gone the way of Balm and shall perish in the gainsaying of Kora” They make Jesus different becasue they simply do not believe God took a Ordinary Purely Human Being and Perfected Him, Just as He can and does all his Saints. Their false teaching denies Both Jesus and God the Father and their work in HUMANITY>They have turned the “image” Jesus into the “image” of a Man of Sin Spoke of BY Paul in 2 Ths 2. But those who truly seek the Truth and Love it shall escape their web of deceit> IMO
peace and love to you and yours Kerwin………………………………..gene
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 10 2012,09:09) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 10 2012,04:24) Terricca……… Exactly I would not understand it in “WHICH WAY YOU SHOW IT” you have correctly said that at least , So Produce the “ONE SCRIPTURE” that says YOUR SATAN “IS” a ANGEL . Your trash talk and slamming me mean nothing to me or for that matter anyone else, Produce you PROOF ONE SCRIPTURE will do “IF YOU CAN”. peace and love ………………………………………………………………gene
Hi Gene, H3742כְּרוּב: cherub, plural cherubims
An angelic being — cherub, (plural) cherubims.“Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon
the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” (Ezek 28:14-15)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ………..Brother go to the very start of that whole thing and PLEASE NOTICE what God told EZEKIEL > It was a PROVERB ( fictitious illustrations) that was sent to the King , not and “ACTUAL” thing. It was never meant to be taken LITERALLY God was showing the King how (HIS) heart and Mind was working. Where his own hearth and mind had lifted him up to that position in life. It's a “PROVERB” (a factitious illustration) EDJ.That proverb was sent to and about that person who it was sent to, and no where does it say it was sent to anyone other then him. WE should not force the text to say what in fact it is not saying EDJ.
Still waiting for them to produce “ONE TRUE” Scripture that say SATAN IS A ANGEL”. They haven't yet neither can anyone else either. IMO
peace and love to you and your EDJ…………………………………….gene
gene
sinse it seems that you know ,then why do you not answer the questions all of them ;
who his the man called THE SON OF MAN
WHO HIS THE MAN NAMED THE SON OF GOD
WHO HIS THE THE MAN THAT WAS BEFORE JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS
WHO WAS THE MAN GOD SEND FROM ABOVE
WHO WAS THE MAN THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER
WHO HIS THE WORD OF GOD THAT BECAME FLESH
WHO WAS THAT WORD OF GOD ; THAT ALL THE APOSTLES TOUCHED SEW,EARED PREACHING AND SAW HIM BEING LIFTED UPWARD
WITCH MAN CLAIM THAT HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN
WITCH MAN WAS DECLARE BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO GODS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
WHO WAS HE THAT WAS EXISTING FROM THE BEGINNING BEFORE CREATION
WHO WAS THE MAN THAT THE APOSTLES CLAIM THAT ALL WAS CREATED THROUGH HIM
WITCH MAN CAN CLAIM THAT HIS FATHER WAS,HIS GOD,AND FOR EVER WILL BE
WHO IS THE LIAR THAT SAYS THAT A MAN CAN BE 100% MAN AND YET ONLY HAVE A WOMEN FOR A PARENT
PLEASE ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 11 2012,08:42) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2012,12:01) T; Quote like always no scriptures ,just statements without understanding, they can only be true if THE WORD =CHRIST THE SON OF GOD WAS SEND DOWN FROM HEAVEN AS HE SAYS AND AS HIS DISCIPLES SAID,YOU DO NOT BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ,YOU ONLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT AND THE WAY YOU FEEL LIKE IT ;THIS IS WRONG OF THE DEVIL. I am continuously quoting the passages of the bible which teach us that Jesus was conceived of Mary, as well as other things. It is not that I do not quote them but instead that there is that within you that does not want to believe them. Stop doubting and believe that Jesus was conceived of Mary, the seed of David, in regards to the flesh, Romans 1:3.
The Spirit of Christ comes from above; and by it the Prophets speak the Word; and so reveal they are from above and so strangers and pilgrims in this world; so are all people of God; just as it is written:
Hebrews 11:13
King James Version (KJV)13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Jesus is greater than the Prophets, as he is the Christ; the firstborn of those with God’s Word written on his heart and put in him.
Romans 8:29
King James Version (KJV)29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Jeremiah 31:33
King James Version (KJV)33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Kerwin……….You have it right Brother, They simply do not understand the Truth nor do they desire it either. Trinitarians and Preexistences are one and the same, they both preach a false Christ and their work is a work of separation They can not accept Jesus as a Human Being, They have just as it says, 'gone the way of Balm and shall perish in the gainsaying of Kora” They make Jesus different becasue they simply do not believe God took a Ordinary Purely Human Being and Perfected Him, Just as He can and does all his Saints. Their false teaching denies Both Jesus and God the Father and their work in HUMANITY>They have turned the “image” Jesus into the “image” of a Man of Sin Spoke of BY Paul in 2 Ths 2. But those who truly seek the Truth and Love it shall escape their web of deceit> IMO
peace and love to you and yours Kerwin………………………………..gene
geneQuote They have turned the “image” Jesus into the “image” of a Man of Sin Spoke of BY Paul in 2 Ths 2. But those who truly seek the Truth and Love it shall escape their web of deceit> IMO those are your words up ,now look down
Quote They make Jesus different becasue they simply do not believe God took a Ordinary Purely Human Being and Perfected Him, Just as He can and does all his Saints. now tell us all HOW COULD A MAN BORN FROM A WOMEN WITHOUT A HUMAN MAN(FATHER) BE AN ORDINARY MAN
Terricca………….OK I WILL and then You show us where SATAN IS SAID to be an ANGEL OK?
1……….Ezekiel , and Jesus , and ALL of Man KIND are called Sons of Man.
2………. See above. Jesus was maned the Son of Man becasue His (IS) a SON of Man.
3……….Been discussed many times before , the word Before is a POSITION and meaning TIME>
4………. All the Prophets were sent from above and that includes Jesus also.
5……….All thing came down from God the FATHER Or don't you believe Jesus who said “OUR” FATHER who is in heaven
6……..No one is the word of god that became Flesh, The word of God is Spirit and came to be (IN) the Flesh man Jesus.
7…….. Al scripture has the Word of God (in) them and Jesus also Had the words of Gd in Him and so did the Prophets. God and His word are one and the same thing they can not be separated no more then you and your words can be separated>
8……No man claimed to come “DOWN” physically from Heaven They can be Sent out into the world from Heaven By GOD as many were. Jesus was in the PLAN and WILL of God from the very beginning and was Brought into existence by God at the appointed time. Cyrus the Kings was also brought into existence at His appoint time so are we to say He also came down form Heaven and what about Jeremiah the Prophet?
9………..All who are Born of the Spirit are NOW SON of GOD, or don't you believe Scriptures that say that. The spirit of God is from ABOVE and (IT) was and IS in Jesus and ALL who HAVE (IT) (IN) them, there is not difference it is all of the Same Spirit from ABOVE and is Not of this world even as Jesus said His Apostles were not of the World and Him also.10……> God as the only one who existed from the beginning Or ORIGIN of (ALL) CREATION. He and his WORD are ONE and THE SAME thing.
11………..No apostle claimed any Man created anything much less All things.
12……….I can and do claim that as well as my Brother Jesus and all his disciples and Saint do also.
13………I do and you have no understanding of the Power of God or you could easily understand how that is Possible as explained to you before Now you seen to be the Liar and deny that Power of God to Manipulate the DNA of anyone he chooses to.Now enough of you games , Show us all where “ANY” SCRIPTURE SAYS SATAN is A ANGEL.
peace and love………………………………………gene
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