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Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 05 2012,14:13) Wakeup, Quote Kerwin. Jesus simply said; the word that I speak to you they are spirit: not flesh.
Here you are saying that the word became flesh in us??
Is this mans concept?
wakeup.
Consider that it is written:
1 Corinthians 2:14
King James Version (KJV)14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
There is no contradiction as Jesus' words are of the Spirit and not of the flesh.
It is not a man concept as humanity by nature rejects the promise that God will write his Word on their hearts and place it in their inward being because they do not love the light.
Gene,Some words to consider.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 06 2012,02:38) T, Quote SHOW ME ONE SCRIPTURE TO THIS You know we are to follow Jesus; so I don't know why you ask for me to reveal that Jesus was the first to live by the Spirit.
Galatians 5
King James Version (KJV)19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.Does Jesus walk by the Spirit or the flesh? As he lived; so are we to follow him.
KYour interpretation is wrong,all the righteous sins Abel were living according to the spirit (meaning according to the will of God)so he is not first in this ,
Your understanding is at best an opinion,
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Quote K Your interpretation is wrong,all the righteous sins Abel were living according to the spirit (meaning according to the will of God)so he is not first in this ,
Your understanding is at best an opinion,
Abel, as is common to man, fell short of the glory of God; even though like Abraham, he has been credited with righteousness due to his faith.
Hebrews 11:4
King James Version (KJV)4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
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39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 05 2012,21:52) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 05 2012,01:43) Wakeup…………The words do come to be (became) flesh (IN) us, this is a sense of speaking not a real fact because no “word” ever has became flesh, Words are Spirit according to Jesus and so they could never be flash. the word i am telling you “ARE” Spirit and “LIFE” , all it takes is to believe what Jesus said. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………………….gene
GEneB.Why try to change the scripture?
John 1:14.simply says''and the word was =MADE= flesh.''
Was Jesus resurrected in the spirit:Yes; and he appeared to the apostles in the flesh,ate and drank with them,then went off in the spirit; then appeared somewhere else in the flesh again.
Do you realy think that this is impossible?
Is this too hard to believe?wakeup.
Wakeup……..So when was the last time you saw a “WORD” made FLESH, All words come from Spirits, they (ALL) are Spirit produced. No Spirit or Word is FLESH. Your belief that Jesus was raised as a Spirit (being) is false, Jesus Plainly said after his resurrection, a Spirit does not have Flesh and Bone as you see (I) have .While Jesus did Speak “GOD'S WORDS” to us , he was and is never those Words he Spoke. those were “GOD'S WORDS”, Again the problem here is you simply do not Know what a Spirit is , your not alone though. IMO
peace and love………………………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 06 2012,08:22) While Jesus did Speak “GOD'S WORDS” to us , he was and is never those Words he Spoke.
So then in Rev 19:13, the one whose name is called the Word of God is NOT Jesus?Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 07 2012,01:05) T, Quote K Your interpretation is wrong,all the righteous sins Abel were living according to the spirit (meaning according to the will of God)so he is not first in this ,
Your understanding is at best an opinion,
Abel, as is common to man, fell short of the glory of God; even though like Abraham, he has been credited with righteousness due to his faith.
Hebrews 11:4
King James Version (KJV)4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
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39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
kyou still did not show your interpretation true,
but now you interpret those scriptures you quote wrong,would you try again
Heb 11:38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground.
Heb 11:39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised.
Heb 11:40 God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.T;
Heb 11:40 God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
The people of old who lived by faith were not made perfect on their own; but only with those that follow the Christ.
Matthew 1:21
King James Version (KJV)21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
The people before Christ were not saved from their sins as that is why Jesus was born.
Hebrews 4:15
King James Version (KJV)15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Jesus did not bear the fruit of the flesh, even though tempted as is common to man.
Galatians 5
King James Version (KJV)19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.Jesus has always been led by the Spirit as he did not sin even though tempted as is comon to men.
Those who are saved from their sins do not do the works of the flesh as a person who is performs sin is not saved of it.
Those who are made perfect do not sin and therefore live by the Spirit and not the flesh; as they are contrary to one another.
k
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmitieswhat is this verse mean
Quote Jesus has always been led by the Spirit as he did not sin even though tempted as is common to men Jesus was perfect in flesh and mind ,just like Adam was ,because he came down from heaven to do what his father has asked from him,
k
Quote 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such likelook at the tree last words ;the list does not end there ,their is more
but Christ stayed out of practice those things of the flesh , he could because he was perfect ,we are not ,and no seed from men can produce this type of offspring ,so Mary was a surrogate mother to the WORD of God that became flesh on earth and called, Jesus the Christ
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Quote Jesus was perfect in flesh and mind ,just like Adam was ,because he came down from heaven to do what his father has asked from him, His Spirit came down from heaven but his flesh was made of the earth; even as with Adam. He lived by the Spirit even though tempted to live by the flesh. His Words and Actions have continuously been from heaven and not from man.
Quote but Christ stayed out of practice those things of the flesh , he could because he was perfect ,we are not ,and no seed from men can produce this type of offspring. God created man to be upright and so each and every man has the potential to stay out of practice of things of the flesh.
All men fall short of the glory of God before they receieve the Spirit as they cannot live by the Spirit they do not have.
Those that have the Spirit of God have the power of God to overcome the desires of the flesh; and God is more powerful than the flesh.
Each and every human that perseverres in walking by the Spirit becomes holy and righteous as God is righteous.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 07 2012,23:58) T, Quote Jesus was perfect in flesh and mind ,just like Adam was ,because he came down from heaven to do what his father has asked from him, His Spirit came down from heaven but his flesh was made of the earth; even as with Adam. He lived by the Spirit even though tempted to live by the flesh. His Words and Actions have continuously been from heaven and not from man.
Quote but Christ stayed out of practice those things of the flesh , he could because he was perfect ,we are not ,and no seed from men can produce this type of offspring. God created man to be upright and so each and every man has the potential to stay out of practice of things of the flesh.
All men fall short of the glory of God before they receieve the Spirit as they cannot live by the Spirit they do not have.
Those that have the Spirit of God have the power of God to overcome the desires of the flesh; and God is more powerful than the flesh.
Each and every human that perseverres in walking by the Spirit becomes holy and righteous as God is righteous.
KNo,Christ,if his spirit came down then it was the WORD of God that came down he his the son of God,not verbal words,a spirit being,and then cover him self with the help of his father with flesh and became Jesus,his mother Mary was a surrogate mother,and so no sin ever enter his live, he was not born in sin ,this is why the temptation took place wen he was weak in the flesh ,because this was new to him ,I mean being in the flesh ,and scriptures says that we are sinners and will never come to be Righteous unless someone covers for our past sins and for those we still do in our live of not being perfect,so we need Christ perfect sacrifice to cover it up and then we could be called by him righteous,because of our obedience to him and his father ,
So it is not as you say,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2012,10:28) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 06 2012,08:22) While Jesus did Speak “GOD'S WORDS” to us , he was and is never those Words he Spoke.
So then in Rev 19:13, the one whose name is called the Word of God is NOT Jesus?
Mike…………You know as well as I that is a title not a real thing, Jesus is called the word of God because He has the seven Spirits of God, and Speaks the words of God to us Being a messenger is not the same as being the one who sent that message, The one who speaks another's WORDS is a SERVANT, or MESSENGER , Quoting another WORDS, But the WORDS themselves Belong to the one who originally spoke them, and in Jesus case ,that was and is GOD the FATHER.Presenting Jesus as the Word himself is a perversion of scriptures and is just another Trinitarian and Preexistences way of Separating Jesus from the Father, and the Father working through Jesus to Us. Your work is to make Jesus the object of the Words of GOD is a Perversion of scriptures and even against the words of Jesus Himself. Need Proof?
the words i am telling you are not “MY” Words but the “WORDS” of “HIM” who sent Me.
You people say you believe Jesus but then deny HIS very words. A word never became flesh not in the past or ever in the future either. Word are Spirit derived, and in no way are they flesh. Even common sense should tell you that. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………gene
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2012,02:09) T, Did Jesus' flesh come from heaven or from earth?
kthe flesh his something men as received to transmit to their offspring alike ,on earth,
their is no flesh in heaven ,the savior was to save men not God, so in order to do that he as to be lowered to the level of men and become one of them ,and this only God could do this ,and that is what really happen.
and to do this God put his son (the Word ) into Mary womb and so she became a surrogate mother for Gods son on earth to give him the flesh he needed to become like all of us,
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2012,08:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2012,10:28) So then in Rev 19:13, the one whose name is called the Word of God is NOT Jesus?
Jesus is called the word of God because……………He Speaks the words of God to us………..
That's right Gene. He is God's main spokesman, and therefore has the title “the Word of God”.So John 1:14 could easily be talking about a spokesman, who is called “the Word”, becoming flesh, right? It doesn't have to be speaking about a literal spoken word becoming flesh, right?
And considering that this particular Word who became flesh had the glory of God's only begotten Son – a glory we all know Jesus has – it is a 99.9% probability that the Word who became flesh is the same spokesman who is called “the Word”.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2012,14:07) T, So according to you Jesus' flesh was made from earth; even as Adam's was.
kif you try to make me say that he his a decendant of Adam ,my answer is NO,but Mary his,
I know you like to keep your opinion that Christ was a regular men like us and just chosen by God ,and that we also can be like him right
No,no one can ever be the begotten son of God Jesus Christ his the only one ever ,and even those men that are redeemed from earth will be with him but not totaly like him ,or be him,
so what now
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It is written that Mary conceived Jesus in her womb by the power of the God, acting through his Spirit. I am not sure why you have trouble understanding that Jehovah used his power to make the flesh of Jesus from a part of Mary.
You also do not seem to want to grasp that Jesus is a decendant of David's flesh and of God's Spirit.
You stive to prove Jesus is a being of spirit that put on mortal flesh and crawled up into Mary's womb to be born nine months later. That is not what Scripture teaches. It instead teaches that Jesus was conceived by Mary, even as John was conceived by Elizabeth.
Even Jesus' adopted geneoly in Matthew makes it clear that Jesus was conceived of Mary.
Jesus flesh was made of earth, made of a woman, made in the likeness of humanity, and made under the Law. His Spirit was not so made, but instead comes from above.
k
Quote It is written that Mary conceived Jesus in her womb by the power of the God, acting through his Spirit. I am not sure why you have trouble understanding that Jehovah used his power to make the flesh of Jesus from a part of Mary. tell me were is it that a surrogate mother have the baby
in her back pocket baby's only are conceived in a mother womb in human s ,No disregarding true or surrogate mother .Quote You also do not seem to want to grasp that Jesus is a decendant of David's flesh and of God's Spirit. it seems to me you do not believe Christ wen he says that : he came down from the father ; you also do not believe John the Baptist when he said that Christ existed before him,and also not Paul in Col;1;15-21,and many others ;the flesh stands for nothing right
but we all know that Christ came to accomplish his father will (spirit) not his it was Gods power that made Christ (the WORD) to be come in Mary womb ,this did not save her ,she still have to believe in him when he start doing the works that his father told him to do to save men of his sins .
Quote You stive to prove Jesus is a being of spirit that put on mortal flesh and crawled up into Mary's womb to be born nine months later. That is not what Scripture teaches. It instead teaches that Jesus was conceived by Mary, even as John was conceived by Elizabeth. no ,I did not say that Christ crawls into Mary womb ,you say that ,but Gods power did this ,it was his son he send NOT YOURS ,ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT GOD COULD NOT DO THIS ???BUT WHAT DO YOU KNOW OF WHAT GOD IS CAPABLE OF
YOU STILL DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT HE SAID .Quote Even Jesus' adopted geneoly in Matthew makes it clear that Jesus was conceived of Mary. TALKING IN CIRCLES
Quote Jesus flesh was made of earth, made of a woman, made in the likeness of humanity, and made under the Law. His Spirit was not so made, but instead comes from above. you sound like a religious leader with ignorance without measure,first humanity has nothing to do with it ;he came as a man ,for the only purpose to give up his live for the live of one man called Adam for the reason to undo the sin Adam did and made all his descendant guilty of dead,this is why THE SON OF GOD TOOK THE COVER OF A MAN ,AND SO RECONCILE ALL MEN WITH HIS CREATOR ,WELL AT THE LEAST THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM.
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