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Hi, Gene,
YOU: he went to the grave and stayed there for three day and three nights and was resurected from the “dead” with his “body” by God the Father, the same way we have to be.
ME: Gene, JESUS IN ONE INSTANT, IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE,
ON HIS DEATH,
BOTH DIED AND GLORIFIED!
Scripture: John 12:23 But Jesus answered them, saying:
The hour (OF HIS DEATH) is come, that
the Son of man should be glorified.
24Amen, amen I say to you, unless the grain of wheat falling into the ground dies,
25 Itself remaineth alone.
But if it dies,
it bringeth forth much fruit.
THE ABOVE IS EMPHATICALLY CLEAR THAT
WHILE JESUS WAS LIKE THE GRAIN OF WHEAT BURIED IN THE GROUND,
HE WAS IN FULL GLORY AND FRUITFUL! Luke 17:20-37
27Now is my soul troubled.
And what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour. But for this cause
I CAME ( INTO THE WORLD) unto this hour. (OF DEATH) for the sake of the human race, the love of the father, as He could not DIE, except in Jesus.
28Father, glorify thy name.
A voice therefore came from heaven: I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
JESUS IN VERSE 23 SAID : The hour (DEFINITELY OF HIS DEATH) come,
THAT THE SON OF MAN SHOULD BE GLORIFIED.
THE ABOVE IN PLAIN CLEAR ENGLISH DECLARES Gene, THAT JESUS ON HIS DEATH
GLORIFIED!
IN VERSE 27 ABOVE JESUS WAS TROUBLED IN HIS SOUL, THE SON OF GOD, IN THE HOLY GHOST, JESUS’DIVINE NATURE, OBVIOUS BECAUSE OF THE HOUR OF HIS DEATH, AS THE SON OF MAN, JESUS HUMAN NATURE, THEN HE ALSO ASKED THE FATHER TO
GLORIFY HIS NAME, again with and on JESUS’DEATH!
Gene THAT MEANS, THAT IN ONE INSTANT, ON JESUS’DEATH,
BOTH THE FATHER IN THE HOLY GHOST, AND “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN,
GLORIFIED!
This is also well asserted in
John17:1 THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: Father,
the hour is come, ( of Jesus’death, AS THE FATHER COULD NOT ACHIEVE all by himself)
glorify thy Son, that
thy Son may glorify thee.
2As thou hast given him
power over all flesh,
that he may give eternal life to all whom thou hast given him.
Now I ask you, WHAT KIND OF GLORY THE FATHER REQUIRED, WHICH HE COULD ONLY ACHIEVE
THROUGH JESUS’DEATH, SINCE HE COULD NOT DIE? OBVIOUS:
THE GLORY OF THE FLESH SUBSTANCE. Well clear in
Jeremiah 32:27 Behold I am the Lord
the God of all flesh: (in Jesus Christ)
shall anything be hard for me? (nothing by/in “THE WORD”)
Now I ask you WHAT KIND OF GLORY THE SON OF MAN REQUIRED WHICH HE COULD ONLY ACHIEVE
THROUGH HIS OWN DEATH?
The answer is ABOVE through Jesus’ own mouth, READ;
John7:1…glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee.
2As thou hast given him
power over all flesh,
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL Gene:
ON JESUS’DEATH, IN ONE INSTANT
THE SON OF MAN, JESUS’ HUMAN NATURE,
BOTH DIED, AND GLORIFIED,
IN A STATE WHICH HE NEVER HAD BEFORE
ON EARTH! He had it before the world was in heaven, though hidden and unknown. Well declared by Jesus own words;
YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN! OBVIOUS reference to
HIS FLESH BODY to BECOME SPIRIT, on physical satanic earth! SATAN’S DREAM TO BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH.
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST! I REPEAT
ON HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS, Gene! while his flesh body was in the grave!
asserted by Jesus’own words:
John12:24…unless the grain of wheat falling
INTO THE GROUND DIES, 25Itself remaineth alone. BUT IF IT DIES
it bringeth forth much fruit.
( WHILE JESUS WAS DEAD, HE WAS IN HIS FULL GLORY AND FRUITFUL)
ATTENTION
FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER HOW, AS THE FATHER COULD NOT DIE!
CONSEQUENTLY
THE FATHER, SPIRIT,
IN THAT SAME ONE INSTANT ALSO
GLORIFIED, THIS IS VERY EASY FOR YOU GENE, but in the same instant I DOUBT IT, SINCE YOU LIKE JODI, ARE CARNALLY MINDED, HERE IT IS:
THE FATHER, IN THE HOLY GHOST, ACQUIRED
JESUS’FLESH BODY,
HIS OWN SUBSTANCE FURNISHED BY HIMSELF, THE FATHER,
AS HIS OWN RANSOM BY WHICH
GOD THE FATHER BECAME OUR SAVIOR, THUS
“THE WORD” JESUS’FLESH, JESUS HUMAN NATURE,AND
THE HOLY GHOST IN JESUS’ SOUL, JESUS DIVINE NATURE, AS SCRIPTURE DECLARES:
ARE NOT TWO ANYMORE BUT TWO IN
ONE UNIQUE GLORIFIED SUBSTANCE
SPIRIT/FLESH IN
JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN ON EARTH
THIS IS ALSO WELL EMPHATICALLY CLEAR IN
John13:31-32When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said:
Now is the Son of man glorified,
(JESUS’ FLESH AS SPIRIT/DIVINE) and God is glorified in him. ( THE HOLY GHOST AS FLESH/HUMAN,)
32If God be glorified IN HIM, God also will glorify HIM IN HIMSELF;
(BECAME GODMAN)
and immediately (ON HIS DEATH) will he glorify him.
DO YOU WANT MORE SCRIPTURE Gene, and Jodi, TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH?
Hard for me to believe you people don’t understand that. You seem to grab certain scriptures while ignoring all the rest, so how can you have a balance in you understanding of them, you need to try to put them all together
John12: 29The multitude therefore that stood and heard, said that it thundered. Others said: An angel spoke to him. 30Jesus answered, and said:
This voice came not because of me,
but for your sakes.
31Now is the judgment of the world:
now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all things to
MYSELF.
33(Now this he said, signifying
what death he should die.)
WHAT KIND OF DEATH JESUS DIED Gene?
A GLORIFIED DEATH, BY WHICH GLORY, FOR THE SAKE OF THE HUMAN RACE MENTIONED ABOVE, AND FOR THE LOVE OF THE FATHER, HE BECAME
GODMAN ON EARTH, THE TRUTH MANIFESTED PHYSICALLY!
AS MUCH AS HE WAS
BEFORE THE WORLD WAS IN HEAVEN WITH THE FATHER!
IN THE FORM OF GOD
Now why all the above is being posted?
SIMPLY TO REVEAL WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED FROM JESUS’DEATH TO PENTECOST!
THAT IN THE NEXT POST,
ONLY IF THE HOLY SPIRIT TALKS IN ME!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
Proclaimer. …..Jesus did not say to him “today, you will be with me in paradise” , what he said was , ” I am telling you today, you “will be” with me in paradise “. Jesus did not go to “paradise” that day, he went to the grave and stayed there for three day and three nights and was resurected from the “dead” with his “body” by God the Father, the same way we have to be. Hard for me to believe you people don’t understand that. You seem to grab certain scriptures while ignoring all the rest, so how can you have a balance in you understanding of them, you need to try to put them all together.
It makes no difference which way you read it because Jesus did take the keys of death and the graves were opened. It has already happened or it has already started. Have you not read how he freed the captives.
“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions
At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.…
And those who are alive and remain on earth come after these.
Proclaimer……But it does make a difference, on how you read scriptures, that is why there are so many false teaching out there, adding thoughts by changing punchuations marks does make a big difference .
Jesus did come to set the captives free, those held captive all their live by thinking there is no life after we die, he set us free by his demonstration of a resurection after death back to life of our “mortal” bodies. So he certanily took what captivated us and set us free from it.
You say his desenton and assention was speaking about him comming from heaven to earth and back to heaven again. But I say it was his desenton into the grave and demonstrated to us the assention back to life never to die again. That is the hope all true believers believe in, yes a 100% pure human being “EXACTLY”, like we are in “EVERYWAY”, A MAN FROM MANKIND, (for unto us a child is born unto us a son is given) , from the blood line of Jesse, the root and “offspring” of King David, who demonstrated and proved humans “exactly like him”, can be resurected back to “eternal” life, from the “dead”, by their “FAITH” IN THE LIVING AND “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD.
Proclaimer I do not “seperate Jesus” from my “exact” idenity with him as a human being, because that what he x was and that is exactly what he now is brother. We are heirs and joint heirs with him of the “everything”, even eternal life, now, and always will be, even if we die we will be resurected at his comming, and if we are still alive at his return we will be change into eternal living souls, never to die again. That’s my hope, that the “man” Jesus my lord and big brother in the family of God the Father has demonstrated to me .
Peace and love to you and yours
Carmel…..You are definitely in a dream world, the death Jesus died to was a horrible death, one of the worst deaths that a human being could experience, not that others haven’t experienced horrible deaths also. He certanly did not want to die “just like the rest of us” don’t either, but his Faith in his and our “only” true God, was strong enough for him to overcome his fears and he put his whole life in the hands of his and our God, who “sacrificed him as a lamb for the forgiveness , so we could be forgiven the ETERNAL DEATH PENALTY, and not “PARISH” , BUT THERE ARE STILL PENALTIES FOR SINS, because sin extracts it’s own penalties, but with the Spirit of God working “in” us we should be over comming them exactly like Jesus did, as we mature in the true Faith.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
BOTH THE FATHER IN THE HOLY GHOST, AND “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN
GLORIFIED!Hi Carmel, you are missing an important “word” here
BOTH THE FATHER IN THE HOLY GHOST, AND “THE WORD” *in* THE SON OF MAN
Proclaimer……But it does make a difference, on how you read scriptures, that is why there are so many false teaching out there, adding thoughts by changing punchuations marks does make a big difference .
It makes no difference on the what happens after you die debate. What your talking about is a timing issue and I don’t disagree with you on that. In fact never did I state otherwise.
Hi Edj,
BOTH THE FATHER IN THE HOLY GHOST, AND “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN
GLORIFIED!
Hi Carmel, you are missing an important “word” hereBOTH THE FATHER IN THE HOLY GHOST, AND “THE WORD” *in* THE SON OF MAN
ME: From your perception, it is obvious since you took it for granted that “THE WORD” IS THE HOLY GHOST.
THE FATHER COULD IN NO WAY PARTICIPATE IN REDEMPTION, EXCEPT
THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST, THE SON OF GOD, IN A WAY BORN OF MARY! TO BE CLEAR:
THE FATHER WAS ETERNALLY EMBODIED ETERNALLY IN THE HOLY GHOST, IN THE CASE OF JESUS’ CONCEPTION, IMMEDIATELY ON MARY’S
COMMITMENT. THUS THIS PARTICULAR HOLY GHOST WAS ATTRIBUTED TO
THE SON, NOT TO THE FATHER,
THE DIVINE NATURE OF JESUS IN THE STATE OF
JESUS’SOUL IN ORDER TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN.
NOW WHEN IT COMES TO ” THE WORD” IT IS A COMPLETE DIFFERENT STORY SIMPLY AS ACTUALLY
“THE WORD” JESUS’ THE SON OF MAN, JESUS’ HUMAN NATURE WAS NOT BORN OF MARY, AS SUCH, BUT IT IS
DIRECTLY PROVIDED BY THE FATHER,
THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE/RANSOM! THUS “THE WORD” WAS PRONOUNCED BY THE FATHER AFTER JESUS, THE SON OF GOD CAME OUT OF MARY AS
THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD IN FULL LUMINOUS SPIRITUAL BODY, AND THE SON OF GOD, IN THE HOLY GHOST WAS SIMPLY COVERED BY
JESUS, “THE WORD” MADE FLESH ITSELF, THE SON OF MAN, JESUS’HUMAN NATURE.
NOW REFLECT:
THE EXTERNAL ELEMENT WAS “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN
THE INTERMEDIATE ELEMNT WAS THE HOLY GHOST IN JESUS’SOUL AND
THE CORE ELEMNT WAS THE FATHER, SPIRIT, HIMSELF!
THE FULL DEITY IN FLESH AND BLOOD, ALL DIVINE, ON EARTH!
THE MYSTERY IS THAT MARY WAS THE FIRST EVER
CREATURE TO BE THE CARRIER OF THIS TRIUNE DEITY, BUT NOT DIVINE HERSELF, SIMPLY AS “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN FULLY LOADED WITH ALL THE EVIL, WAS IN MARY, IN HER HEART/SOUL, HER CREATOR, PRECISELY,
ON HER CONCEPTION AND THROUGH HIM, SHE BECAME
THE FIRST HEART OF FLESH, AND REMAINED THERE ETERNALLY FROM THAN ON, SIMPLY TO PROTECT HER FROM THE LEAST SPECK OF EVIL, ENRICHES HER WITH ENDLESS GRACE, AND EMPOWERS HER ACCORDING TO THE FATHER’S WILL.
BE AWARE,
JESUS’ TWO NATURES WERE BORN FOR THE FIRST TIME EMBODIED IN CAIN and ABEL.
“THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN TO BE, WAS IN CAIN’S HEART/SOUL, BORN ONLY OF EVE, HIS PHYSICAL LIFE SOURCE, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev.13:8 while
THE HOLY GHOST, THE SON OF GOD TO BE, WAS IN ABLES’MIND/SOUL BORN ONLY OF ADAM, SIMPLY THROUGH EVE’S SIDE, IN THE SAME WAY, ISAAC, AND JESUS WERE BORN.
EVE BECAME AWARE OF
THE GOOD AND THE EVIL SIMPLY AS WHEN SHE GAVE BIRTH TO CAIN SHE EXPERIENCED THE MOST HORRIBLE BIRTH EVER SINCE SHE GAVE BIRTH TO
DARKNESS, THE EVIL, BUT IMMEDIATELY AFTER
WITHOUT THE LEAST AWARENESS SHE HELD IN HER HANDS
ABLE IN FULL BLISS
THE LIGHT; THE GOOD!
WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PAIN AND ALL THAT SHE FELT IN CAIN; THE EVIL.
NOW MARY NEVER EXPERIENCE ANY PAIN WHAT SO EVER SIMPLY AND ONLY
BLISS,
WHEN SHE RECEIVED JESUS, THE SON OF GOD THROUGH HER SIDE.
SHE WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO GIVE BIRTH AND DELIVER
JESUS THE SON OF MAN, SIMPLY
AS “THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN, CARRIED ON HIM, THROUGH THE POWER AND PROCESS OF THE FATHER, HENCE
NO SPERM, OVUM and DNA NEVERTHELESS
THE ENTIRE PHYSICAL EVIL COLLECTED THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CREATION, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB…..ON HIM.
MENTIONED BY JESUS IN
Matthew 11:11Amen I say to you, there hath not risen among them that are born of women
a greater than John the Baptist:
yet he that is the lesser (THE SON OF MAN) in the kingdom of heaven
is greater than he
Pleace and love in Jesus Christ
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