Terraricca and 2b

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 02 2013,07:09)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 02 2013,00:58) Hi Pierre, I did read the entire bible many times so YOU quoting the N.I.V. does not tell me what you think the verse means. Are you saying that God did not really mean this: God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them Or do you agree with what God said here? Could you please answer this question then since you refuse to explain your understanding; OK? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj yes he say this ,but he does not dwell LITERALLY IN PEOPLE EITHER MEN OR ANGELS OR ANIMALS OR ROCKS OR WHAT EVER ,

So He said it, but He didn't mean it?

[Ed J]

Oops, this post was a mistake? Sorry

[2besee]

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Wow! Now I know that there are many who do not even know him!

Hi WJ,

I would not say that other Christians do not know God judging by their christology ALONE. That is not for US to judge.

 Jesus said to beware of false prophets (Matthew 7:15) who appear to us in “sheep clothing”, but inside are “ravenous wolves”, and that we would know them “by their fruits.

Regarding knowing Christ, Jesus said:

7:21 Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.  
7:22 Many will tell me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?'  
7:23 Then I will tell them, 'I never knew you.Depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'  
7:24 “Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock.“

So,
It is to those who use the name of Jesus' – even to do miracles – but who practice “lawlessness” and disobey his words who are sent away.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 02 2013,03:02)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 02 2013,07:09) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 02 2013,00:58) Hi Pierre, I did read the entire bible many times so YOU quoting the N.I.V. does not tell me what you think the verse means. Are you saying that God did not really mean this: God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them Or do you agree with what God said here? Could you please answer this question then since you refuse to explain your understanding; OK? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj yes he say this ,but he does not dwell LITERALLY IN PEOPLE EITHER MEN OR ANGELS OR ANIMALS OR ROCKS OR WHAT EVER , So He said it, but He didn't mean it?

edj

NO, scriptures have to be understood ,the word “spirit ” no always mean a angel, an idea, an understanding, an meaning, a conclusion, a resume, a will, an objective, a purpose ,SO IT IS THROUGH GOD'S ENTIRE WRITTEN WORDS THAT WE CAN FIND THE TRUE MEANING

[2besee]

Hi Terraricca,
You asked me to show you the quote.
It was your first post, on page one:

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you are right it is not said in plain written words ,this as to be understood ,within the scriptures ,and for this to happen you have to read the scriptures not paraphrase them ,or read them to someone else s view,THIS i see now as you; say you doing ,but what is strange to me you start to read the scriptures with the apocrypha books, I can hardly see Paul talking to Ananias and declared to him that JEWISH TRADITION IS THE WAY TO THE TRUTH but in stead he followed the words that where given to him ,and so was instructed into the truth of Christ and God by Ananias a true disciple of Christ ,

[2besee]

My phone battery is dead. I'll be back in a couple of hours!

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 02 2013,05:50)

Hi Terraricca, You asked me to show you the quote. It was your first post, on page one: Quote you are right it is not said in plain written words ,this as to be understood ,within the scriptures ,and for this to happen you have to read the scriptures not paraphrase them ,or read them to someone else s view,THIS i see now as you; say you doing ,but what is strange to me you start to read the scriptures with the apocrypha books, I can hardly see Paul talking to Ananias and declared to him that JEWISH TRADITION IS THE WAY TO THE TRUTH but in stead he followed the words that where given to him ,and so was instructed into the truth of Christ and God by Ananias a true disciple of Christ ,

2BEE

that is what I thought I did not say “DEUTORONICAL ” BUT ” Apocrypha” books ARE THOSE ONE AND THE SAME

[mikeboll64]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 01 2013,07:48)

……….(wisdom doesn't have ears and cannot speak what another says, Mike).

And the Holy Spirit is not ever said to have given birth to children.  So which is really a better claim:  The Holy Spirit is a person?  Or wisdom is a person?

I say they are both occasionally poetically personified in scripture – and neither of them are an actual person.  (Excepting Proverbs 8, where I think “wisdom” actually is used metaphorically for Jesus.)  

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 01 2013,07:48)

For you Mike…. NWT Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom. 2 Cor 3:17 If the Lord is the Spirit and the Spirit lives in us then God lives in us! Can you see where they got the Idea that the Spirit is Lord Mike?

I don't believe the Lord mentioned in 2 Cor 3:17-18 is Jehovah.  I believe the context supports it referring to Jesus – not Jehovah.

But no matter who you say it refers to, what point does that verse make for you, Keith?

If the Spirit and the Father and the Son are three DIFFERENT persons, then what does it mean to say “the Son is the Spirit”; or “the Father is the Spirit”?

Please explain this for me.

[2besee]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 02 2013,12:54)

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 02 2013,05:50) Hi Terraricca, You asked me to show you the quote. It was your first post, on page one: Quote you are right it is not said in plain written words ,this as to be understood ,within the scriptures ,and for this to happen you have to read the scriptures not paraphrase them ,or read them to someone else s view,THIS i see now as you; say you doing ,but what is strange to me you start to read the scriptures with the apocrypha books, I can hardly see Paul talking to Ananias and declared to him that JEWISH TRADITION IS THE WAY TO THE TRUTH but in stead he followed the words that where given to him ,and so was instructed into the truth of Christ and God by Ananias a true disciple of Christ , 2BEE that is what I thought I did not say “DEUTORONICAL ” BUT ” Apocrypha” books  ARE THOSE ONE AND THE SAME

It is “deuterocanical” not “deuteronical”, and yes I think deuterocanical and apocrypha are the same thing – aren't they?

[2besee]

Terraricca,
Psalm 139:

Even when read in its context: The spirit of God in that chapter is God's presence.

[2besee]

There is only one true spirit in believers.
Paul tells us this in 1 Corinthians.

12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no man speaking by God's Spirit says, “Jesus is accursed.” No one can say, “Lord Jesus,” but by the Holy Spirit.  
12:4 Now there are various kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.  
12:5 There are various kinds of service, and the same Lord.  
12:6 There are various kinds of workings, but the same God, who works all things in all.  
12:7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the profit of all.
12:8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom, and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;
 12:9 to another faith, by the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, by the same Spirit;
12:10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; to another different kinds of languages; and to another the interpretation of languages.  
12:11 But the one and the same Spirit works all of these, distributing to each one separately as he desires.
12:12 For as the body is one, and has many members, and all the members of the body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ.
12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit.

So what is this spirit?

Here are some of the spirit's titles:

The Spirit of God,
The Holy Spirit,
The Eternal Spirit
The Spirit of Christ,
The Spirit of the Son,

The one spirit can be called by all of those names. And the truth of what this spirit is can be found in 1 Corinthians 2.
 It is God's own Spirit.

 The spirit is not “The Son of Man”.

Matthew

 12:31  I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.  12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is to come.

The spirit descended on Jesus at the river Jordan.

[2besee]

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edj yes he say this ,but he does not dwell LITERALLY IN PEOPLE EITHER MEN OR ANGELS OR ANIMALS OR ROCKS OR WHAT EVER

Terraricca,
Yes God does, through his spirit.

Pray to God to dwell in you – through his spirit.
Try it.

Then get water baptized.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 02 2013,08:17)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 02 2013,12:54) Quote (2besee @ Aug. 02 2013,05:50) Hi Terraricca, You asked me to show you the quote. It was your first post, on page one: Quote you are right it is not said in plain written words ,this as to be understood ,within the scriptures ,and for this to happen you have to read the scriptures not paraphrase them ,or read them to someone else s view,THIS i see now as you; say you doing ,but what is strange to me you start to read the scriptures with the apocrypha books, I can hardly see Paul talking to Ananias and declared to him that JEWISH TRADITION IS THE WAY TO THE TRUTH but in stead he followed the words that where given to him ,and so was instructed into the truth of Christ and God by Ananias a true disciple of Christ , 2BEE that is what I thought I did not say “DEUTORONICAL ” BUT ” Apocrypha” books  ARE THOSE ONE AND THE SAME It is “deuterocanical” not “deuteronical”, and yes I think deuterocanical and apocrypha are the same thing – aren't they?

2bee

it seems that they are not the same thing ;look the info;

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Deuterocanonical books is a term used since the 16th century in the Catholic Church and Eastern Christianity to describe certain books and passages of the Christian Old Testament that are not part of the Hebrew Bible. The term is used in contrast to the protocanonical books, which are contained in the Hebrew Bible. This distinction had previously contributed to debate in the early Church about whether they should be classified as canonical texts. The term is used as a matter of convenience by the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and other Churches to refer to books of their Old Testament which are not part of the Masoretic Text.

The Deuterocanonical books are considered canonical by Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, but are considered non-canonical by most Protestants. The word deuterocanonical comes from the Greek meaning 'belonging to the second canon'.

The original usage of the term distinguished these scriptures both from those considered non-canonical and from those considered protocanonical. However, some editions of the Bible include text from both deuterocanonical and non-canonical scriptures in a single section designated “Apocrypha”. This arrangement can lead to conflation between the otherwise distinct terms “deuterocanonical” and “apocryphal”.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 02 2013,09:44)

Quote edj yes he say this ,but he does not dwell LITERALLY IN PEOPLE EITHER MEN OR ANGELS OR ANIMALS OR ROCKS OR WHAT EVER Terraricca, Yes God does, through his spirit. Pray to God to dwell in you – through his spirit. Try it. Then get water baptized.

2bee

in this case is SPIRIT would be not his being but his words ,his wisdom of creation ,his truth ,this all men can have in themselves

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 01 2013,18:40)

Quote Wow! Now I know that there are many who do not even know him! Hi WJ, I would not say that other Christians do not know God judging by their christology ALONE. That is not for US to judge.  Jesus said to beware of false prophets (Matthew 7:15) who appear to us in “sheep clothing”, but inside are “ravenous wolves”, and that we would know them “by their fruits. Regarding knowing Christ, Jesus said: 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.   7:22 Many will tell me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?'   7:23 Then I will tell them, 'I never knew you.Depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'   7:24 “Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock.“ So, It is to those who use the name of Jesus' – even to do miracles – but who practice “lawlessness” and disobey his words who are sent away.

Sorry you do not like my comment, but if a man does not believe Christ is in him then he is not a believer according to 2 Cor 13:5.

Paul said to “Reprove and rebuke with all authority and to “convince the gainsayers”. Titus 2:15, Titus 1:9, Titus 1:13

Blessings!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 01 2013,11:15)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 01 2013,20:02) Here is what I think! I think it is plain as day and that only a fool would close his eyes and ears to the truth. Here is part of your quote… Ps 139:7 Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? Ps 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. What part of “God is where his Spirit is”, that is not clear?   WJ WJ so you do not know what you reading ,but why not reading all of 139 Psalms this should give you the answer right and what does it mean by the context “SPIRIT “

Hi T

I have read the whole thing, but I suppose you do not understand or do not want to understand that the Psalmist is saying that “where Gods Spirit is there he is”!

Of course Jesus said…

If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? John 3:12  

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2013,19:02)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 01 2013,07:48) ……….(wisdom doesn't have ears and cannot speak what another says, Mike). And the Holy Spirit is not ever said to have given birth to children.  So which is really a better claim:  The Holy Spirit is a person?  Or wisdom is a person? I say they are both occasionally poetically personified in scripture – and neither of them are an actual person.  (Excepting Proverbs 8, where I think “wisdom” actually is used metaphorically for Jesus.)   Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 01 2013,07:48) For you Mike…. NWT Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom. 2 Cor 3:17 If the Lord is the Spirit and the Spirit lives in us then God lives in us! Can you see where they got the Idea that the Spirit is Lord Mike? I don't believe the Lord mentioned in 2 Cor 3:17-18 is Jehovah.  I believe the context supports it referring to Jesus – not Jehovah. But no matter who you say it refers to, what point does that verse make for you, Keith? If the Spirit and the Father and the Son are three DIFFERENT persons, then what does it mean to say “the Son is the Spirit”; or “the Father is the Spirit”? Please explain this for me.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2013,19:02)

If the Spirit and the Father and the Son are three DIFFERENT persons, then what does it mean to say “the Son is the Spirit”; or “the Father is the Spirit”?

Mike it means the scripture says…”THE SPIRIT IS “THE LORD”.

QUESTION YOU MUST ASK….

ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE IS THE SPIRIT “THE LORD”?

If you can be honest and answer this question then we can move on to another verse about the person of the Holy Spirit.

WJ

[2besee]

Hi WJ,

I have said the same thing to other members here (including Terraricca!) – so please do not take it personal.

A Christian man's walk with God is his own. It is not our place to say if he does or does not know God.

I agree with you regarding the rebuking of false teachings, and bad behavior, etc. But that is different. The final judgment is God's.

Agree?

1 John  

2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
2:23 Whoever denies the Son, the same doesn't have the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.

[2besee]

Terraricca, (and Mike).

When we pray, is God with us, or is God a long way away, what is your opinion?

[2besee]

Also…. Describe for me what this “power like electricity” is.

Thanks.

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