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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2014,04:48) And shame on you for using my plea for leniency as ammunition against t8.
Why? It was the right thing to do, T8 wasn't listening.Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2014,04:48) And if you're not careful, you might end up with another tile for “flooding” the thread with the same posts over and over – which is also against the HN rules.
No need to play games.If T8 doesn't want me posting here all he has to do is say so.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2014,05:06) There is your new question, Ed: Was the TEACHING of the AKJV in John 6:70 RIGHT or WRONG?
Btw, this is the SAME EXACT thing t8 has been asking you from the beginning.
Then it's not a new question is it?Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2014,10:29) as you continue to attempt to bully me with “the-tile-punishment-stick” for not agreeing with your doctrine.
Ed J, I have told you before that I am not tiling anyone for disagreeing with me. That is simply not the case. Worse for your statement here is that I actually agree that Jesus did not call Judas A devil. So why would I tile you for agreeing with me? I am not.You have been tiled because I want to get to the bottom of a contradiction that you are clearly advocating and you are not forthcoming with the answer or you are not being honest and admitting your shortfall.
Is the AKJV wrong for teaching what you say is wrong, i.e., that Jesus inferred that Judas was A devil.
Either the AKJV got this wrong or you are wrong about Judas being A devil. It matters not whether I agree with you about the use of the indefinite article. That is not the point. The point is to clear up the contradiction so that you are not continuing to teach something that is contradictory.
Further, I can see that you have made some steps forward. i.e., that you say that:
1) Jesus did not call Judas A devil (tick)
2) That the AKJV translators were neglectful in not italicizing the 'A'.Let's dig deeper. If the AKJV translators neglected even one thing in the translation, then it cannot be a perfect translation. Remember, if we sin in one aspect of the Law, then we are guilty of breaking the whole law. Also, “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.” If I made one error in an exam and got 99%, then I did not get a perfect score.
Further, you even advocate yourself that the AKJV which you base your numerics on is so finely tuned that mathematical patterns are destroyed if words or letters are added or removed, thus the reason you use the AKJV.
So what is the conclusion from what you are saying.
1) Jesus did not say Judas is A devil.
2) The AKJV is not a perfect translation. It has at least one error.Agree to that, and I will remove the tile. The two points above clear up the matter. And I am being generous when I say that the AKJV has at least one error, I could show many more. But that is another debate. We are only honing in on one of the mistakes according to your own view of what Jesus really said.
So I await your agreement to these 2 points, and then the tile is removed.
No Ed,
I guess it's NOT actually the same question. I was WRONG to say it was the same exact question. I should have said that it was the same basic thing t8 has been asking you all along.
(Ed, it's not that hard to say you were wrong when you were.)
Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2014,11:23) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2014,05:06) There is your new question, Ed: Was the TEACHING of the AKJV in John 6:70 RIGHT or WRONG?
Btw, this is the SAME EXACT thing t8 has been asking you from the beginning.
Then it's not a new question is it?
Your learning.The question is not new. But you haven't answered it properly. You are trying to have it both ways, but you cannot if they are a contradiction.
Yes, Mike, technically not the exact same question, but a good answer would wrap the whole thing up because the essence of what we are asking is not being addressed. We are asking the same question in different ways so that he understands what it is we are trying to get him to answer.
Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2014,16:28) Mike, it seems you are now getting cold feet to speak out against YOUR BOSS.
Ed,The only HONEST and DIRECT answers are:
1. MY interpretation is the correct one, and therefore the AKJV is wrong.
2. THE AKJV's interpretation is the correct one, and therefore my interpretation is wrong.
Answer with one of those two, and I'm sure t8 will remove the tile.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2014,11:38) Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2014,16:28) Mike, it seems you are now getting cold feet to speak out against YOUR BOSS.
Mike's boss is God and his son.Hi Mike, I told you what the issue was, but you seem to be avoiding it.
T8 wanted to use John 6:70 of the “AKJV Bible” so authenticate his view that Jesus is called 'a god'.
But the fact that the Greek has no indefinite article “A” shoots his evidence right out of the water.
Now it seems he has turned against the very tool (AKJV Bible) he was attempting to use for his own benefit.What my view of what the “AKJV Bible” is overall can be discussed in the proper thread.
Waving the 'tile-punishment-stick' over my head to forcibly make me agree with T8's opinion
is not the way. It ONLY exposes him here as an unrighteous Judge who needs to be impeached.Your brother
in Christ,
Ed JQuote (t8 @ April 20 2014,17:36) Yes, Mike, technically not the exact same question, but a good answer would wrap the whole thing up because the essence of what we are asking is not being addressed. We are asking the same question in different ways so that he understands what it is we are trying to get him to answer.
journey popped into the thread, and right away understood what you were asking, t8.Pierre has also just tried to help Ed answer the question FOR REAL.
And I have been trying to help for a while now.
It's like everyone in the world can so easily see the answer Ed needs to give – and can also all see that he is playing word games instead of giving that answer.
I'm quite sure Ed knows exactly how he SHOULD answer your question, t8. He thinks that by not DIRECTLY answering the question, he is somehow not giving you the satisfaction of knowing you caught him in a little web.
I guess he doesn't realize that ALL OF US can already see the web you caught him in – whether or not he chooses answer the question the right way and have the tile removed.
Do you hear that Ed? We can all already see the CONTRADICTION you've gotten yourself into……… even if you NEVER answer the question correctly. You're not saving any face by playing games instead of answering it – because the damage was already done to you and your “KJV Numerology Doctrine” a long time ago.
See? The damage is already done, Ed. Might as well come clean and have the tile removed, right?
Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2014,17:46) Hi Mike, I told you what the issue was, but you seem to be avoiding it. T8 wanted to use John 6:70 of the “AKJV Bible” so authenticate his view that Jesus is called 'a god'.
No Ed,The “a god” thing in John 1:1 is one of the few things t8 and I DISAGREE about. T8 has never argued for a translation of “a god” in John 1:1. That was me and Pierre and a couple of other really smart people on this site.
Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2014,17:46) It ONLY exposes him here as an unrighteous Judge who needs to be impeached.
But Ed,This thread of yours has only served to expose YOU as the “unrighteous” one……… not t8.
If your plan was to expose t8, then you have failed. Haven't you noticed that most people who have posted here have basically said, Come on, Ed. Just give a REAL answer to the question already – and be done with it. ?
Your thread is exposing you as a person who would rather play word games until the end of eternity than answer a simple and FAIR question with a direct and HONEST answer.
Get it, Ed? Your own thread is making YOU out to be the “bad guy”. Not t8.
Quote (t8 @ April 20 2014,17:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2014,11:38) Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2014,16:28) Mike, it seems you are now getting cold feet to speak out against YOUR BOSS.
Mike's boss is God and his son.
Quote (journey42 @ April 19 2014,21:03) This debate is really hard for me to follow because you keep taking it off subject. Look at the 1st post?
but what I see, is that you have two choices.The AKJV is wrong,
or your statement was wrong.
See Ed? journey knows the choice you must make, and the answer you must give.Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2014,16:54) 1. MY interpretation is the correct one. 2. THE AKJV's interpretation is the correct one.
show me where you answer any of those two question if you have done this it would be easy
See Ed? Pierre knows the choice you must make, and the answer you must give.Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2014,17:38) Ed, The only HONEST and DIRECT answers are:
1. MY interpretation is the correct one, and therefore the AKJV is wrong.
2. THE AKJV's interpretation is the correct one, and therefore my interpretation is wrong.
Answer with one of those two, and I'm sure t8 will remove the tile.
See Ed? Mike knows the choice you must make, and the answer you must give.Quote (t8 @ Jan. 26 2014,19:37) Edited James Version (EDJV interpretation):
Jesus was NOT calling Judas 'the devil' nor was Jesus even calling Judas 'a devil'Authorised King James Version (AKJV):
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?Obviously both your interpretation and the AKJV cannot be correct.
My question: Which is correct?1) Your interpretation of John 6:70;
2) The AKJV translation of this verse.1 or 2.
Not a hard question.
See Ed?t8 knows the choice you must make, and the answer you must give.
Ed,
How come everybody seems to get this except for you?
Why can't you just answer with one of the two choices that are listed in each of those last four posts?
Is it because of pride? Is because you think the rest of us are too stupid to recognize the game you're playing to get out of answering the question?
I don't get it. We can all easily see the path to your “tile redemption”. Why won't you take that path?
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