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Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2014,08:52) Quote (t8 @ April 19 2014,23:24)
Please Ed J. A simple answer.
I haven't got time to wade through an excess amount of text
to look for the answer that is probably not there.
Hi T8,Words like these suggest that you don't even read the posts that addressed to YOU.
Ed J, I read all your posts on in this thread up till now. Why? Because all you are doing is wasting my time and dodging the question. Then I am presented with 2 or 3 posts that might have the answer buried deep within. If I was a gambling man, then the chances are no, but I can't be bothered mining your posts for a possible answer. Just give it to me in one or two paragraphs. Clear and concise. That way I will read it and if the answer is satisfactory, then I will remove the Hot Seat tile.Please, let yes be yes, no be no. No devil in the details. Clear, truthful, and addresses the contradiction.
Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2014,08:03) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2014,03:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 18 2014,09:29) Hi Mike, please suggest (as a Moderator) that T8 honer his word and remove the tile.
I hereby officially appeal to t8 to remove your tile
Thank you Mike!
Bump for T8Quote (t8 @ April 20 2014,09:00)
Ed J, I read all your posts on in this thread up till now. Why? Because all you are doing is wasting my time and dodging the question. Then I am presented with 2 or 3 posts that might have the answer buried deep within. If I was a gambling man, then the chances are no, but I can't be bothered mining your posts for a possible answer. Just give it to me in one or two paragraphs. Clear and concise. That way I will read it and if the answer is satisfactory, then I will remove the Hot Seat tile.Please, let yes be yes, no be no. No devil in the details. Clear, truthful, and addresses the contradiction.
Your question was regarding John 6:70 and my words
“Jesus was NOT calling Judas 'the devil' nor was Jesus even calling Judas 'a devil'”,
WHICH I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED. What new question are you asking me here now, because you are not being clear??Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2014,08:36) I am not asking anything extra to what the original question was.
Don't you think you should be a man of your word and remove the tile before asking me “NEW QUESTIONS”?Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2014,09:56) Quote (t8 @ April 20 2014,09:00)
Ed J, I read all your posts on in this thread up till now. Why? Because all you are doing is wasting my time and dodging the question. Then I am presented with 2 or 3 posts that might have the answer buried deep within. If I was a gambling man, then the chances are no, but I can't be bothered mining your posts for a possible answer. Just give it to me in one or two paragraphs. Clear and concise. That way I will read it and if the answer is satisfactory, then I will remove the Hot Seat tile.Please, let yes be yes, no be no. No devil in the details. Clear, truthful, and addresses the contradiction.
Your question was regarding John 6:70 and my words
“Jesus was NOT calling Judas 'the devil' nor was Jesus even calling Judas 'a devil'”,
WHICH I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED. What new question are you asking me here now, because you are not being clear??Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2014,08:36) I am not asking anything extra to what the original question was.
Don't you think you should be a man of your word and remove the tile before asking me “NEW QUESTIONS”?
Perhaps you are asking me to give my opinion beyond the facts, is that what you are asking?Quote (t8 @ Jan. 02 2014,21:26)
JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION, then the tile gets removed.
Are these words “A LIE”?Quote (t8 @ Jan. 02 2014,21:26)
JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION, then the tile gets removed.
Are these words “A LIE”?Quote (t8 @ Mar. 12 2014,12:03)
I am only interested in a good answer. It doesn't have to stick to exact rulings.
It just needs to be a fair answer that clears up misconceptions.
I would appreciate you answer in the best way you can.
Are these words “A LIE” as well?Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2014,08:36) I am not asking anything extra to what the original question was.
This one then must be the father of ALL LIES!Quote (t8 @ April 20 2014,09:00) Ed J, Just give it to me in one or two paragraphs. Clear and concise. That way I will read it and if the answer is satisfactory, then I will remove the Hot Seat tile.
Please, let yes be yes, no be no. No devil in the details. Clear, truthful, and addresses the contradiction.
Hi T8, Here are three paragraphs
Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2014,11:55) JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION, then the tile gets removed.
Are these words “A LIE”? A: I have proven my view (labeled #1) is a true statement (Link)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 12 2014,12:03)
I am only interested in a good answer. It doesn't have to stick to exact rulings.
It just needs to be a fair answer that clears up misconceptions.
I would appreciate you answer in the best way you can.
Are these words “A LIE” as well? A: Question is explained at this (Link)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2014,08:36) I am not asking anything extra to what the original question was.
Still what do you do with this one?Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2014,12:12) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2014,08:36) I am not asking anything extra to what the original question was.
Still what do you do with this one?
Here is my impression of T8 explaining away how he is not asking anything extra…Ah, um, here goes: I wanted to use the “AKJV Bible”, more specifically John 6:70 to prove to everyone
that Jesus is called “A god” in John 1:1. Now because Ed has shot that idea out of the waterI will instead bully him into submission with “the-tile-punishment-stick” to say
that the “AKJV Bible” has more holes in it than Swiss-cheese.Did I get it right? I will explain in more detail for those who might not get it.
FIRST HE WANTS TO USE THE “AKJV BIBLE” TO ACCREDITATE HIS VIEW of Jesus being 'a god',
when I show that approach to be futile, he then seems to spitefully want to discredit it altogether.I believe I'm spot-on here!
Ed
Hi Mike, My alternate of choice question posed to T8…
Quote (Ed J @ April 17 2014,17:15) 1. You are wrong for saying that I must be wrong.
2. You are wrong for trying to pit me against God's written word.Hi Mike, it's funny that you should say this…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2014,11:14) And it seems like that is exactly what has happened. You have answered “YES” to #1, and “NO” to #2. Is that correct?
It seems that you have this correct with regards to T8 anyways.Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2014,12:50) Hi Mike, My alternate of choice question posed to T8… Quote (Ed J @ April 17 2014,17:15) 1. You are wrong for saying that I must be wrong.
2. You are wrong for trying to pit me against God's written word.Hi Mike, it's funny that you should say this…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2014,11:14) And it seems like that is exactly what has happened. You have answered “YES” to #1, and “NO” to #2. Is that correct?
It seems that you have this correct with regards to T8 anyways.Ed J
Quote Which is wrong regarding this. You
AKJV
Both.You cannot say that the AKJV is perfect and also teach that it is wrong to say that Judas was a devil. That is a no-brainer.
Hi Ed
Whilst you are going about telling me what is right and what is wrong, I have to remind you that you have some things to confront yourself.
This debate is really hard for me to follow because you keep taking it off subject. Look at the 1st post?
but what I see, is that you have two choices.The AKJV is wrong,
or your statement was wrong.Now what I have a problem understanding is that you put the Word of God on the line, just to save your own face?
You made an incorrect statement, not the bible.
What's so hard about admitting this.You stand up for God,
his word is true,
and you were in error.
A stupid little mistake can be rectified.Quote (Ed J @ April 19 2014,02:29) Quote (Ed J @ April 17 2014,00:16) (1) Edited James Version (EDJV interpretation):
Jesus was NOT calling Judas 'the devil' nor was Jesus even calling Judas 'a devil'(2) Authorised King James Version (AKJV):
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?Obviously both your interpretation and the AKJV cannot be correct.
My question: Which is correct?1) Your interpretation of John 6:70;
2) The AKJV translation of this verse.Hi Mike, here is a re-post of my answer where I explain *WHY* what I said (labeled #1) is a true statement.
Regarding #1.
A. Neither the Greek, nor the Hebrew has “indefinite articles”
So Jesus could not have said ‘one of you is A devil’
B. And likewise none of the 12 Greek definite articles were used,
So Jesus equally could not have said ‘one of you is THE devil’
C. Therefore: “Jesus was NOT calling Judas 'the devil' nor was Jesus even calling Judas 'a devil'”
is a true statement, even though you may yet consider it wrong.Regarding #2.
A. Should the indefinite article “a” have been italicized, YOU bet!
B. Would I say the editors were ‘wrong’ for NOT italicizing it?
Wrong is not the word I would use, neglectful perhaps.
Can you really call someone wrong for overlooking something?
Hi Journey42,Here is my answer to T8's question.
Quote (journey42 @ April 20 2014,14:03) Hi Ed Whilst you are going about telling me what is right and what is wrong, I have to remind you that you have some things to confront yourself.
This debate is really hard for me to follow because you keep taking it off subject. Look at the 1st post?
but what I see, is that you have two choices.The AKJV is wrong,
or your statement was wrong.Now what I have a problem understanding is that you put the Word of God on the line, just to save your own face?
You made an incorrect statement, not the bible.
What's so hard about admitting this.You stand up for God,
his word is true,
and you were in error.
A stupid little mistake can be rectified.
Hi Journey42,I prefer to stick to the facts OK? The Greek language
has NO indefinite articles – so there is no wrong in what I said.Since the AKJV Bible is noted for italicizing words that were not in the original text,
the indefinite article “a“ should have been italicized inj John 6:70. These are the facts, accept them or reject them it is your choice.Ed J
Quote (journey42 @ April 19 2014,21:03) This debate is really hard for me to follow because you keep taking it off subject. Look at the 1st post?
but what I see, is that you have two choices.The AKJV is wrong,
or your statement was wrong.Now what I have a problem understanding is that you put the Word of God on the line, just to save your own face?
Ed,It seems like the rest of us can all see the real circumstances surrounding this thread.
Like journey has also just pointed out to you, either the AKJV is wrong, or you are wrong.
And the ONLY simple question t8 has ever asked you is: WHICH ONE OF YOU IS WRONG?
And shame on you for using my plea for leniency as ammunition against t8.
I was trying to intercede on your behalf, and see if t8 would be willing to accept your claim that “the AKJV was neglectful“ – just to put an end to this thing.
I was attempting to help you out, Ed, since I figure it's hard for you to say the KJV is wrong – and even harder for you to say that YOU are wrong.
But you used my plea as a way to attack t8.
I don't think that tile is ever going away until you either say that the KJV was wrong, or that you were wrong.
And if you're not careful, you might end up with another tile for “flooding” the thread with the same posts over and over – which is also against the HN rules.
Quote (Ed J @ April 19 2014,22:22) Quote (Ed J @ April 19 2014,02:29)
B. Would I say the editors were ‘wrong’ for NOT italicizing it?
Wrong is not the word I would use, neglectful perhaps.
Hi Journey42,Here is my answer to T8's question.
Look at your answer, Ed. First, if the KJV translators ended up with an inaccurate translation because of “neglect”, then they were wrong.Second, notice how you have avoided the entire ISSUE of whether or not Jesus was calling Judas “a devil”. You're not saying the KJV translators were “neglectful” because they think Jesus was calling Judas “a devil” – but only because they didn't italicize the “a” when said Jesus was calling Judas “a devil”.
This is a word game within a word game, Ed. I repeal my plea for leniency.
Quote (Ed J @ April 19 2014,22:34) I prefer to stick to the facts OK? The Greek language
has NO indefinite articles – so there is no wrong in what I said.
Okay Ed,Since you ignored my first post from yesterday, I will lay out those FACTS for you again.
Forget the language barriers, and let's just focus on the TEACHING.
The AKJV TEACHES that Jesus was calling Judas “a devil”.
Is that TEACHING right? Or wrong?
Which one, since it can't be both?
There is your new question, Ed:
Was the TEACHING of the AKJV in John 6:70 RIGHT or WRONG?
(Btw, this is the SAME EXACT thing t8 has been asking you from the beginning. YOUR interpretation is that Jesus WASN'T calling Judas “a devil”. The KJV interpretation is that Jesus WAS calling Judas “a devil”. Which INTERPRETATION is correct?
The only HONEST and DIRECT answers are:
1. MY interpretation is the correct one.
2. THE AKJV's interpretation is the correct one.
Answer with one of those two, and I'm sure t8 will remove the tile. I'm done feeling sorry about this thing YOU brought on yourself, Ed. Either give a simple and honest answer, or keep the tile for eternity. I don't care anymore, nor do I feel sorry for you.)
Hi Mike,
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 02 2014,21:21) Ed J, you have not answered the original question posed here by which you got the tile.
I have indeed answered the original question posed to me “WHICH IS CORRECT” – “MY STATEMENT IS CORRECT”Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2014,21:48) you just need to clear that contradiction up.
Once cleared, the tile will disappear.
I have even cleared up the contradiction T8 was seeing between my words and John 6:70 AFTER HE PROMISED TO REMOVE THE TILE!T8 must now fulfill his promise to remove the tile. (END OF STORY)
Mike, it seems you are now getting cold feet to speak out against YOUR BOSS.Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2013,09:18) Okay Ed J, I noticed that you have stopped engaging in this conversation, so as promised, it is now a Hot Seat topic. Your quote is below:
Quote No it you who doesn't understand, In John 6:70 Jesus was NOT callingJudas 'the devil'
nor was Jesus even calling Judas 'a devil'Edited James Version (EDJV interpretation):
Jesus was NOT calling Judas 'the devil' nor was Jesus even calling Judas 'a devil'Authorised King James Version (AKJV):
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?Obviously both your interpretation and the AKJV cannot be correct.
My question: Which is correct?1) Your interpretation of John 6:70;
2) The AKJV translation of this verse.1 or 2.
Not a hard question. Swallow your pride, be brave, and answer the question please.
His resistance to honor his promise to remove the tile renders this next quote A UTTER JOKE.
And further suggests that the tile was instead given for not agreeing with T8's doctrine.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2014,08:36) I am not asking anything extra to what the original question was. God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi T8,
I guess these words (OF YOURS) are proven to be false then, that is not why the tile remains.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 27 2014,20:49) You broke the rule in the Hot Seat that states that not answering a fair question leads to a tile. If you answer it, I will remove the tile, then you will know that this was the reason for the tile. Because I will remove it when you answer the question posed to you in the Hot Seat. Theses words are also proven to be false
as you continue to attempt to bully me with “the-tile-punishment-stick” for not agreeing with your doctrine.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2014,08:36)
I am not asking anything extra to what the original question was.edj
Quote I have indeed answered the original question posed to me “WHICH IS CORRECT” – “MY STATEMENT IS CORRECT” 1. MY interpretation is the correct one.
2. THE AKJV's interpretation is the correct one.
show me where you answer any of those two question if you have done this it would be easy
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2014,04:48)
Ed,Like journey has also just pointed out to you, either the AKJV is wrong, or you are wrong.
Hi Mike,Journey42 and T8 seem to have an agenda out to make me 'wrong'.
You can attempt to jump on the bend-wagon with them if you like, but I
hear you suggest over and over that you are only concerned with the truth.This thread is about T8 and his kangaroo court justice trying to make me guilty of a crime that I did not commit.
When a witness gives testimony in a court of law they are ONLY responsible for saying why they are right.
And likewise the question was posed to me “Which is correct” WHICH I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED.I have even gone the extra mile to explain that in John 6:70 the indefinite article “a” should have been italicized.
These are the FACTS, embrace them, love them! but you cannot make the facts wrong, though you may continue to try.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ April 21 2014,09:54) edj Quote I have indeed answered the original question posed to me “WHICH IS CORRECT” – “MY STATEMENT IS CORRECT” 1. MY interpretation is the correct one.
2. THE AKJV's interpretation is the correct one.
show me where you answer any of those two question if you have done this it would be easy
Done.Regarding #1.
A. Neither the Greek, nor the Hebrew has “indefinite articles”
So Jesus could not have said ‘one of you is A devil’
B. And likewise none of the 12 Greek definite articles were used,
So Jesus equally could not have said ‘one of you is THE devil’
C. Therefore: “Jesus was NOT calling Judas 'the devil' nor was Jesus even calling Judas 'a devil'”
is a true statement, even though you may yet consider it wrong.Regarding #2.
A. Should the indefinite article “a” have been italicized, YOU bet!
B. Would I say the editors were ‘wrong’ for NOT italicizing it?
Wrong is not the word I would use, neglectful perhaps.
Can you really call someone wrong for overlooking something?Now also please suggest that T8 honer his word and remove the tile.
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