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  • #368715
    terraricca
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    Mike

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    So YOU can't FORESEE that I WILL mess up. On the other hand, God DID foresee that the Israelites WOULD mess up, and He already knew ahead of time exactly HOW they were going to mess up.

    it would take me a days of your work to see how good worker you are ; but that would not erase the idea that you are not perfect :D so yes we all can mess up , so was Israel

    #368718
    terraricca
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2014,04:52)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2014,16:35)
    God as a plan and that's the plan that will be fulfilled he knows how,were,when,who,will be part of it ,


    How does God know those things ahead of time, Pierre?


    Mike

    why do you think God as made the gospel to be proclaimed
    if he would know who he just could take them and done ,

    but even then we all have to be tested ,

    #368724
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2014,18:05)
    Mike

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    So YOU can't FORESEE that I WILL mess up.  On the other hand, God DID foresee that the Israelites WOULD mess up, and He already knew ahead of time exactly HOW they were going to mess up.

    it would take me a days of your work to see how good worker you are ; but that would not erase the idea that you are not perfect


    So are you saying that I would, WITHOUT A DOUBT, mess up and get fired by you?

    Are you 100% SURE of that?

    #368728
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2014,07:03)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2014,18:05)
    Mike

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    So YOU can't FORESEE that I WILL mess up.  On the other hand, God DID foresee that the Israelites WOULD mess up, and He already knew ahead of time exactly HOW they were going to mess up.

    it would take me a days of your work to see how good worker you are ; but that would not erase the idea that you are not perfect


    So are you saying that I would, WITHOUT A DOUBT, mess up and get fired by you?

    Are you 100% SURE of that?


    Mike

    off cause not ,i just want to point out a point ;

    we all do mistakes even i did some as project manager ,

    but it would as to be consider on all your work ;after you have past my eye test criteria of a day.

    :D

    as for the Israelites remember God told them ahead of time even before they enter the promised land ,the don' ts and do's SO HE AD EXPERIENCE WITH THEM BEFORE ,DURING THE 40 YEARS IN THE DESERT

    but SOME DID NOT EAR IT OR DID NOT WANT TO EAR IT ;

    SAME THING TODAY WITH THE SCRIPTURES NO DIFFERENCE ,

    WE ARE FREE TO CHOSE AND GOD DOES NOT CHOSE FOR US

    BUT FOR SOME REASON(S) WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT WE ALL ARE CALLED BY GOD ,I BELIEVE PERSONALLY IN SOME WAY ;BUT NOT ALL RESPOND TO THE CALL ,FOR THEIR OWN REASONS ,GOD KNOWS THAT ,IT IS PART OF HIS PLAN

    #368729
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2014,05:27)
    Hi Pierre:

    Following is a dictionary definition of the word for-see, and have you heard of a synonym?

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    fore·see  [fawr-see, fohr-]  Show IPA  

    verb (used with object), fore·saw, fore·seen, fore·see·ing.  

    1.

    to have prescience of; to know in advance; foreknow.

    2.

    to see beforehand.

    verb (used without object), fore·saw, fore·seen, fore·see·ing.  

    3.

    to exercise foresight.

    Is God able to do what the dictionary definition states?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    mARTY

    NO ,foreseen the unknown does not work with the KNOW ALL THINGS

    #368751
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2014,14:34)

    Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2014,05:27)
    Hi Pierre:

    Following is a dictionary definition of the word for-see, and have you heard of a synonym?

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    fore·see  [fawr-see, fohr-]  Show IPA  

    verb (used with object), fore·saw, fore·seen, fore·see·ing.  

    1.

    to have prescience of; to know in advance; foreknow.

    2.

    to see beforehand.

    verb (used without object), fore·saw, fore·seen, fore·see·ing.  

    3.

    to exercise foresight.

    Is God able to do what the dictionary definition states?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    mARTY

    NO ,foreseen the unknown does not work with the KNOW ALL THINGS


    Did I say that it was unkown?

    And you say go Mike that all of us make mistakes, and I believe that you are making a mistake in denying the scriptures. God states that “He declares the end from the beginning”.

    That is what God said, and it because He has seen end from the beginning, therefore, He can say about Jesus:
    “all things were created by Him and without Him was nothing made that was made, even when he did not come in a physical form until he was born into this world.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #368753
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2014,22:33)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2014,14:34)

    Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2014,05:27)
    Hi Pierre:

    Following is a dictionary definition of the word for-see, and have you heard of a synonym?

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    fore·see  [fawr-see, fohr-]  Show IPA  

    verb (used with object), fore·saw, fore·seen, fore·see·ing.  

    1.

    to have prescience of; to know in advance; foreknow.

    2.

    to see beforehand.

    verb (used without object), fore·saw, fore·seen, fore·see·ing.  

    3.

    to exercise foresight.

    Is God able to do what the dictionary definition states?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    mARTY

    NO ,foreseen the unknown does not work with the KNOW ALL THINGS


    Did I say that it was unkown?

    And you say go Mike that all of us make mistakes, and I believe that you are making a mistake in denying the scriptures.  God states that “He declares the end from the beginning”.

    That is what God said, and it because He has seen end from the beginning, therefore, He can say about Jesus:
    “all things were created by Him and without Him was nothing made that was made, even when he did not come in a physical form until he was born into this world.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Marty

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    And you say go Mike that all of us make mistakes, and I believe that you are making a mistake in denying the scriptures. God states that “He declares the end from the beginning”.

    God is not a man ; and let see if I have made a mistake ;

    you believe that Christ was only born and brought alive at the time of his birth as a man ,

    1) how could he be the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD if he was born after so many sons of God ???

    2) how could Paul say that ;HE WAS BEFORE ALL THING ” IF MOST OF THE THINGS ARE COMING AFTER HIM ???

    3) how could you say that he is from the earth when Christ says he came down from his father

    this does not make me the man that sees the scriptures wrongly ,the fact that i do not see it as you see it right ???

    so answer the questions

    #368769
    Wakeup
    Participant

    T.

    You make mistakes all the time.

    Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have ***foretold*** you all things.

    Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise ***foretold*** of these days.

    wakeup.

    #368772
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2014,21:28)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2014,07:03)

    So are you saying that I would, WITHOUT A DOUBT, mess up and get fired by you?

    Are you 100% SURE of that?


    Mike

    off cause not…………


    Then it isn't the same at all, is it?

    In YOUR scenario, you must use the words, IF you mess up.

    God didn't say “IF” in that Deuteronomy passage I quoted. He already KNEW what the Israelites were going to do, and told it to Moses as a FACT – not an “IF”.

    If you have more to say on the matter, say in Wm's poll thread. There's no sense in saying the same things two different places, right? :)

    #368776
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 30 2014,04:29)
    T.

    You make mistakes all the time.

     Mark 13:23   But take ye heed: behold, I have ***foretold*** you all things.

     Acts 3:24   Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise ***foretold*** of these days.

    wakeup.


    w

    foretelling and foreseen is not the same

    #368803
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2014,04:18)

    Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2014,22:33)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2014,14:34)

    Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2014,05:27)
    Hi Pierre:

    Following is a dictionary definition of the word for-see, and have you heard of a synonym?

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    fore·see  [fawr-see, fohr-]  Show IPA  

    verb (used with object), fore·saw, fore·seen, fore·see·ing.  

    1.

    to have prescience of; to know in advance; foreknow.

    2.

    to see beforehand.

    verb (used without object), fore·saw, fore·seen, fore·see·ing.  

    3.

    to exercise foresight.

    Is God able to do what the dictionary definition states?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    mARTY

    NO ,foreseen the unknown does not work with the KNOW ALL THINGS


    Did I say that it was unkown?

    And you say go Mike that all of us make mistakes, and I believe that you are making a mistake in denying the scriptures.  God states that “He declares the end from the beginning”.

    That is what God said, and it because He has seen end from the beginning, therefore, He can say about Jesus:
    “all things were created by Him and without Him was nothing made that was made, even when he did not come in a physical form until he was born into this world.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Marty

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    And you say go Mike that all of us make mistakes, and I believe that you are making a mistake in denying the scriptures.  God states that “He declares the end from the beginning”.

    God is not a man ; and let see if I have made a mistake ;

    you believe that Christ was only born and brought alive at the time of his birth as a man ,

    1) how could he be the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD if he was born after so many sons of God ???

    2) how could Paul say that ;HE WAS BEFORE ALL THING ” IF MOST OF THE THINGS ARE COMING AFTER HIM ???

    3) how could you say that he is from the earth when Christ says he came down from his father

    this does not make me the  man that sees the scriptures wrongly ,the fact that i do not see it as you see it right ???

    so answer the questions


    Hi Pierre:

    Are you too proud to admit when you are wrong and accept what God has seen about for-seeing the end from the beginning, and you say fore-seeing and for-telling are not the same thing, well true, but how can you fore-tell about
    something that will happen at a specific time in the future unless you have fore-seen it happening that way.  The Prophets can only speak what God has revealed to them.

    And your questions about Jesus:

    1) Do you know anyone else that has ever been conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of a woman?

    2) Paul could say that he was before all things because before God began to create His plan was to send His Only Begotten Son to be the propitiation  for the sins of all of humanity.  Jesus said; “that no man can come to the Father but by him”.  Those from the beginning who have served God until Jesus ministry will be raised from the dead when he comes for the church, his blood will wash away all of their sins, and those who come to God through him since his ministry will also be saved, and his blood washes away all of their sins,

    I have posted the following scriptures already but here they are again:

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    Eph 1:3

    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

    Eph 1:4

    According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    Eph 1:5

    Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,  

    Eph 1:6

    To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

    Eph 1:7

    In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    Eph 1:8

    Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

    Eph 1:9

    Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

    Eph 1:10

    That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    Eph 1:11

    In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.

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    Gal 4:4

    But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    Gal 4:5

    To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    And your third question:  When did I say Christ was from earth?  Yes, he came from heaven.  He is conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary.  The Holy Ghost is God's Spirit, and God's throne is in heaven, and also, was the Holy Ghost dwelling within him when he began his ministry, and so, the Word of God that came forth from him to humanity was from God, and therefore, also from heaven.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #368830
    terraricca
    Participant

    Marty

    Your answer to my number 1) no their is no one else like Christ but , you did not tell me why scriptures says that he was created before all things , the very first of creation, IF we take his birth from the women he definitely does not support what scriptures are saying from the son of God , and he surely do not comes down from heaven as he says , because coming down mean he was some other place prior to come down , and if he came down it was because he was. some were UP , what means heaven , but Christ says that he came from the father , (the proximity of the father)so your answer does nor stand

    Your answer for my question 2) first the words of God were all already written through the holy spirit and given to prophets , so it could not be that the WORD in John1:1 his the written or verbal words of God , also that the holy spirit his the spirit of truth , but it says that Jesus was conceived through the power of God , so why would it take the powers of God to created a human being when it was going on for 1000th of years ???
    And how could God plan be prior to start creation be containing the sacrifice of his first born and only son ???? Did God love includes the evil as well ??? If so according to this it would be that God is responsible for all what happen in the entire creation , because it was plan from the beginning ??? But scriptures does not says that,

    Your answer to 3) the holy spirit his the spirit of truth say a scriptures , that come from the father , because God is the truth , so how could it be that he came from heaven unless he was a being living as the only begotten son of God beside his father in heaven , and that is for that reason he said that he ad to go back to were he was before , so he could under any condition be the holy spirit or a regular man born of a women ,

    #368834
    942767
    Participant

    Hi Pierre:

    The scripture does not say that Jesus “was created before all things”.  It states that “he is before all things”, and the scripture states that “he is the firstborn of every creature”, I understand this to mean that he is the “first man to be born of God”.  He is the only man to conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of a woman, and to be born into this world, as the Only Begotten Son of God, God is Father by virtue of his being conceived in the womb of a womb of a woman, God is Father and the virgin Mary is is mother.  And so, let me post some scriptures to support what I have stated:

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    Col 1:12
    Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
    Col 1:13
    Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

    Col 1:14
    In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    Col 1:15
    Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    Col 1:16
    For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Col 1:17
    And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    Col 1:18
    And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

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    Luk 1:30
    And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

    Luk 1:31
    And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

    Luk 1:32
    He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
    Luk 1:33
    And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

    God is responsible for creating the serpent that deceived Eve, and He is responsible for creating mankind, but he is not responsible for what each man or woman does, He gives the “a free will”, but yes, he allows all of the evil that goes on in the world, and this world is temporary, where a man has an option to obey God or not, He does not force anyone to come to serve Him.  It is a personal decision that each man has to make for himself, but each man living will give an account for his life on the day of judgement, and no man can boast that he is saved through his own good works, but his salvation is a gift from God.  All men are at an equal status at the foot of the cross, because all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  And so, yes, it was God's plan to allow all of this from the beginning.  No, God does not love evil.  He hates sin, but His love is that He allows a man to make a choice as to whether or not he want to serve God without forcing to do it.  Man is allowed to live his life however he chooses.

    Yes, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, and whatever comes from God is truth.  The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.  Here is the scripture:

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    1Cr 2:7
    But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    1Cr 2:8
    Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

    1Cr 2:9
    But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    1Cr 2:10
    But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

    1Cr 2:11
    For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
    1Cr 2:12
    Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God

    I hope that I have answered your questions to your satisfaction.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #368836
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ Jan. 30 2014,22:18)
    Hi Pierre:

    The scripture does not say that Jesus “was created before all things”.  It states that “he is before all things”, and the scripture states that “he is the firstborn of every creature”, I understand this to mean that he is the “first man to be born of God”.  He is the only man to conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of a woman, and to be born into this world, as the Only Begotten Son of God, God is Father by virtue of his being conceived in the womb of a womb of a woman, God is Father and the virgin Mary is is mother.  And so, let me post some scriptures to support what I have stated:

    Quote
    Col 1:12
    Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
    Col 1:13
    Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

    Col 1:14
    In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    Col 1:15
    Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    Col 1:16
    For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Col 1:17
    And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    Col 1:18
    And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

    Quote

    God is responsible for creating the serpent that deceived Eve, and He is responsible for creating mankind, but he is not responsible for what each man or woman does, He gives the “a free will”, but yes, he allows all of the evil that goes on in the world, and this world is temporary, where a man has an option to obey God or not, He does not force anyone to come to serve Him.  It is a personal decision that each man has to make for himself, but each man living will give an account for his life on the day of judgement, and no man can boast that he is saved through his own good works, but his salvation is a gift from God.  All men are at an equal status at the foot of the cross, because all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  And so, yes, it was God's plan to allow all of this from the beginning.  No, God does not love evil.  He hates sin, but His love is that He allows a man to make a choice as to whether or not he want to serve God without forcing to do it.  Man is allowed to live his life however he chooses.

    Yes, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, and whatever comes from God is truth.  The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.  Here is the scripture:

    Quote
    1Cr 2:7
    But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    1Cr 2:8
    Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

    1Cr 2:9
    But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    1Cr 2:10
    But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

    1Cr 2:11
    For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
    1Cr 2:12
    Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God

    I hope that I have answered your questions to your satisfaction.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Marty

    no ,you did not answer my questions ,but you have explain how you interpreting the scriptures that allows you to believe it is true and the truth ;

    BUT I CAN TELL YOU ,IF YOU WOULD HAVE NOT BE THOUGHT BY MEN BEFORE YOU HAD READ THE SCRIPTURES YOU WOULD NEVER HAD COME TO THOSE CONCLUSIONS ,

    AND THEN YOUR ANSWER WOULD BE TRUE TO SCRIPTURES

    #368837
    942767
    Participant

    Hi Pierre:

    My Father is my teacher, He has said that He will lead me into all truths by His Spirit.

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    1Cr 2:11
    For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

    1Cr 2:12

    Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

    1Cr 2:13
    Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    And it is for sure, that you are not going to teach me anything that you cannot support by the scriptures.  I gave you scriptures to support what I have stated, but apparently, you know better than God.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #368839
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ Jan. 31 2014,03:18)
    Hi Pierre:

    The scripture does not say that Jesus “was created before all things”.  It states that “he is before all things”, and the scripture states that “he is the firstborn of every creature”, I understand this to mean that he is the “first man to be born of God”.  He is the only man to conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of a woman, and to be born into this world, as the Only Begotten Son of God, God is Father by virtue of his being conceived in the womb of a womb of a woman, God is Father and the virgin Mary is is mother.  And so, let me post some scriptures to support what I have stated:

    Quote
    Col 1:12
    Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
    Col 1:13
    Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

    Col 1:14
    In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    Col 1:15
    Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    Col 1:16
    For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Col 1:17
    And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    Col 1:18
    And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

    Quote

    God is responsible for creating the serpent that deceived Eve, and He is responsible for creating mankind, but he is not responsible for what each man or woman does, He gives the “a free will”, but yes, he allows all of the evil that goes on in the world, and this world is temporary, where a man has an option to obey God or not, He does not force anyone to come to serve Him.  It is a personal decision that each man has to make for himself, but each man living will give an account for his life on the day of judgement, and no man can boast that he is saved through his own good works, but his salvation is a gift from God.  All men are at an equal status at the foot of the cross, because all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  And so, yes, it was God's plan to allow all of this from the beginning.  No, God does not love evil.  He hates sin, but His love is that He allows a man to make a choice as to whether or not he want to serve God without forcing to do it.  Man is allowed to live his life however he chooses.

    Yes, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, and whatever comes from God is truth.  The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.  Here is the scripture:

    Quote
    1Cr 2:7
    But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    1Cr 2:8
    Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

    1Cr 2:9
    But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    1Cr 2:10
    But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

    1Cr 2:11
    For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
    1Cr 2:12
    Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God

    I hope that I have answered your questions to your satisfaction.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Marty.

    You are spot on.

    wakeup.

    #368841
    942767
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup:

    I'm still studying and learning just like you are brother none of us know it all.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #368844
    terraricca
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    Quote (942767 @ Jan. 30 2014,23:52)
    Hi Pierre:

    My Father is my teacher, He has said that He will lead me into all truths by His Spirit.

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    1Cr 2:11
    For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

    1Cr 2:12

    Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

    1Cr 2:13
    Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    And it is for sure, that you are not going to teach me anything that you cannot support by the scriptures.  I gave you scriptures to support what I have stated, but apparently, you know better than God.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    MARTY

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    God is responsible for creating the serpent that deceived Eve,

    tell me was it the serpent that deceived Eve ??? if yes then the animal where all fluent in the language spoken by Adam and Eve ??? is this what you tell me ???

    the serpent is to me any way the cover of the real deceiver ,that ad to gain from the corruption of men ,what would have been the gains for a snake to deceive men ???  

    I have no intention of teaching any one anything just bring a light here and there , if you figure it is darkness what I bring so that is what it will be to you ,

    #368845
    terraricca
    Participant

    Marty

    1Cr 2:7
    But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    1Cr 2:8
    Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

    1Cr 2:9
    But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    1Cr 2:10
    But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

    1Cr 2:11
    For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
    1Cr 2:12
    Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God

    what do those scriptures really say are the mystery and the hidden wisdom still mysteries and hidden ??? if so why Paul says that they have been revealed now at his time through the spirit of truth ,???

    but it is true it will not come to us sitting on a bunch in the park so to speak we have to willingly seek it BUT WITH WHAT SPIRIT SHOULD WE SEEK IT ???

    AND FOR YOUR INFO GOD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOTHING BECAUSE ALL HE DOES IS OUT OF LOVE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS ,TRUTH,ALL HE CREATED WAS GOOD ,CAN ANYONE BE BEARING A RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING GOOD ???

    WHAT YOU THINK OF ME IS IRRELEVANT TO WHATEVER WE MAY DISCUSS I AM A NOBODY I JUST LOVE GOD AND HIS SON WITHOUT MEASURE ,

    #368846
    terraricca
    Participant

    Marty

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    , but his salvation is a gift from God.

    the grace of God is free but without deeds we do not have a grace ;read and understand the scriptures

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