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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2014,04:35) Pierre, You have lost me on this one. If God can tell the end from the beginning, then God must be able to FORESEE that end – in order to tell it to us, right?
mIKEjust think you are the owner president of a corporation ,you are the man with the power ;and full authority no one can stand against you ,now you have a problem and you of cause know how to solve it but you do not want it to lay it out in front of every one in your corporation so you set it up in steps as you go along in time ;until the entire fulfillment
now was was it because you foresee thing ? no
was it in part because of your understanding and wisdom ? yes
and was it also because you had the power to bring it to completion,
so to me foresee thing is a useless tool that only support those that believe that God created EVIL and so make God responsible for all what wickedness has been done on the earth
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,16:53) so to me foresee thing is a useless tool that only support those that believe that God created EVIL and so make God responsible for all what wickedness has been done on the earth
I believe God can foresee all things He wants to foresee. He has already shown us through Jesus, John, and some angels what is to come in Revelation, right?So God knows what's going to happen, and occasionally shows parts of that future to us.
This truth is evident all throughout scripture. Face it, there would be no such thing as a “prophecy” if someone didn't already know how things were going to turn out.
But none of that means I believe God created evil. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
peace,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2014,05:50) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,16:53) so to me foresee thing is a useless tool that only support those that believe that God created EVIL and so make God responsible for all what wickedness has been done on the earth
I believe God can foresee all things He wants to foresee. He has already shown us through Jesus, John, and some angels what is to come in Revelation, right?So God knows what's going to happen, and occasionally shows parts of that future to us.
This truth is evident all throughout scripture. Face it, there would be no such thing as a “prophecy” if someone didn't already know how things were going to turn out.
But none of that means I believe God created evil. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
peace,
mike
Mikeforesee tell me first what does ti mean to you
are prophecy ;foreseen
are God's power ;foreseen
is the wisdom of knowledge foresee
what is it
Yes Pierre,
A prophecy is the foretelling of something that hasn't yet happened…… but will.
In order to foretell something that hasn't yet happened, someone has to be able to FORESEE that thing happening. Otherwise, how could they foretell it?
But no, power, wisdom, and knowledge – in and of themselves – have nothing to do with the ability to foresee the future.
I have power, wisdom and knowledge, but can't foresee the future.
Pierre, also consider the girl who Paul drove the demon out of. She made a lot of money for her masters because she could predict future events. And once the demon was driven out of her, she lost that “gift”.
That tells us that even some demons can foresee some future things before they happen, right?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2014,06:33) Yes Pierre, A prophecy is the foretelling of something that hasn't yet happened…… but will.
In order to foretell something that hasn't yet happened, someone has to be able to FORESEE that thing happening. Otherwise, how could they foretell it?
But no, power, wisdom, and knowledge – in and of themselves – have nothing to do with the ability to foresee the future.
I have power, wisdom and knowledge, but can't foresee the future.
Pierre, also consider the girl who Paul drove the demon out of. She made a lot of money for her masters because she could predict future events. And once the demon was driven out of her, she lost that “gift”.
That tells us that even some demons can foresee some future things before they happen, right?
MikeQuote But no, power, wisdom, and knowledge – in and of themselves – have nothing to do with the ability to foresee the future. I believe that it as all to do with it ;
2CO 13:4 For indeed He was crucified because of weakness, yet He lives because of the power of God. For we also are weak in Him, yet we will live with Him because of the power of God directed toward you.
2TI 1:8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God,
1PE 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.RO 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
EX 4:21 The LORD said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.
power is the above description
EX 7:1 Then the LORD said to Moses, “ See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.
now it shows that in the short therm at least Aaron became Moses Prophet for speaking to pharaoh of what will happen prior of what will happen ,but it was in truth the power of God that did it ,
NU 21:34 But the LORD said to Moses, “ Do not fear him, for I have given him into your hand, and all his people and his land; and you shall do to him as you did to Sihon, king of the Amorites, who lived at Heshbon.”
this is the fight that the Israelite s made to conquer the promised land ,this was not foreseen from God but the powers of God made sure that what he had promised will come to past ,I do not see any foresee (n) in this when you have the powers it does not matter the strength of the opponent he is lost no matter his power ,because God as the ultimate powers ,
Ps 68:20 Our God is a God who saves;
from the Sovereign LORD comes escape from death.Ps 68:21 Surely God will crush the heads of his enemies,
the hairy crowns of those who go on in their sins.
Ps 68:22 The Lord says, “I will bring them from Bashan;
I will bring them from the depths of the sea,this is a prophecy long therm ;but again I do not see any FORESEE(N) God as the power to do what he wants who will stop him
the only reason why he tells us ahead of time is so we can believe in him and glorify him and give him the true worship that he deserves,1Pe 3:20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
no foreseen in this verse either but PATIENCE GOD HAS ALL THE POWERS TO DO WHAT HE WANTS,
2Pe 1:19 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
2Pe 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.AGAIN TO ME WHEN GOD TOLD THE PROPHETS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE THIS IS NOT FORESEEN ,BECAUSE HE HIS NOT INVESTIGATE THE FUTURE BUT MAKE IT ,BIG DIFFERENCE ,GOD AS THE POWER TO DO JUST THAT .
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,19:46) AGAIN TO ME WHEN GOD TOLD THE PROPHETS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE THIS IS NOT FORESEEN ,BECAUSE HE HIS NOT INVESTIGATE THE FUTURE BUT MAKE IT ,BIG DIFFERENCE……….
What about the things John himself was able to FORESEE in Revelation? He was FORSEEING things that haven't happened yet, right?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2014,07:51) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,19:46) AGAIN TO ME WHEN GOD TOLD THE PROPHETS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE THIS IS NOT FORESEEN ,BECAUSE HE HIS NOT INVESTIGATE THE FUTURE BUT MAKE IT ,BIG DIFFERENCE……….
What about the things John himself was able to FORESEE in Revelation? He was FORSEEING things that haven't happened yet, right?
mikeif you want to admitted ALL WHAT JOHN SAW WAS ALREADY WRITTEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ,
SO WHAT JOHN SAW WAS WHAT ALREADY HAPPEN ,WHAT WAS HAPPEN AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN ,
AGAIN THERE IS NO FORESEE/N OF GOD ,BUT UNDERSTANDING GIVEN TO JOHN,BIG DIFFERENCE
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2014,13:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2014,07:51) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,19:46) AGAIN TO ME WHEN GOD TOLD THE PROPHETS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE THIS IS NOT FORESEEN ,BECAUSE HE HIS NOT INVESTIGATE THE FUTURE BUT MAKE IT ,BIG DIFFERENCE……….
What about the things John himself was able to FORESEE in Revelation? He was FORSEEING things that haven't happened yet, right?
mikeif you want to admitted ALL WHAT JOHN SAW WAS ALREADY WRITTEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ,
SO WHAT JOHN SAW WAS WHAT ALREADY HAPPEN ,WHAT WAS HAPPEN AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN ,
AGAIN THERE IS NO FORESEE/N OF GOD ,BUT UNDERSTANDING GIVEN TO JOHN,BIG DIFFERENCE
Hi Pierre:What about this scripture:
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Rev 1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2014,20:20) SO WHAT JOHN SAW WAS WHAT ALREADY HAPPEN ,WHAT WAS HAPPEN AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN
Pierre,If John was able to see “what WILL happen”, then John was able to “foresee”. Because that's what “foresee” means.
And if you read the verse Marty posted, then you'll realize that John didn't foresee these things ON HIS OWN, but God showed them to John.
So how is God able to show John things from the future that “WILL happen” if God Himself is unable to foresee those things?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2014,03:15) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2014,20:20) SO WHAT JOHN SAW WAS WHAT ALREADY HAPPEN ,WHAT WAS HAPPEN AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN
Pierre,If John was able to see “what WILL happen”, then John was able to “foresee”. Because that's what “foresee” means.
And if you read the verse Marty posted, then you'll realize that John didn't foresee these things ON HIS OWN, but God showed them to John.
So how is God able to show John things from the future that “WILL happen” if God Himself is unable to foresee those things?
Mikeyou ever at to deal with architects ? i did many times
and before a building was made it was shown to me and others what it would look like either on paper or a real view to reduce scale ,but this is a view not the real thing of cause ,
so did John saw the real thing
yes or no
or was it in an allegorical waysame as the architect plans the concept can be revealed but not the very details ,
so God the great architect does not foresee what he knows ,he shows what he knows will come to be ,
foreseen to me mean seeing by anticipation of anything that may or could happen ;
foreknowledge means to know prior of the knowledge that is known ,
if this is true then God created evil
so you tell me Mike what is your take on this
No, Pierre, God did not create evil. He created man with a freedom to obey Him or disobey Him.
What God does have the foreknowledge of what He will do is one thing, and He does reveal to us in the scriptures what He will do at points in time in the earth, but what He will do is by His freedom to do so, and what he has for-seen that man will do is another.
The scripture states that by “one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and death passed upon all men in that all men have sinned”.(I am not sure if that is the exact quote of the scripture, but if not, you can look it up).
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 25 2014,06:21) No, Pierre, God did not create evil. He created man with a freedom to obey Him or disobey Him. What God does have the foreknowledge of what He will do is one thing, and He does reveal to us in the scriptures what He will do at points in time in the earth, but what He will do is by His freedom to do so, and what he has for-seen that man will do is another.
The scripture states that by “one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and death passed upon all men in that all men have sinned”.(I am not sure if that is the exact quote of the scripture, but if not, you can look it up).
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martygive foreknowledge of what you ARE GOING to do to someone DOES NOT MEAN “FORESEEN “
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 25 2014,01:20) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2014,13:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2014,07:51) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,19:46) AGAIN TO ME WHEN GOD TOLD THE PROPHETS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE THIS IS NOT FORESEEN ,BECAUSE HE HIS NOT INVESTIGATE THE FUTURE BUT MAKE IT ,BIG DIFFERENCE……….
What about the things John himself was able to FORESEE in Revelation? He was FORSEEING things that haven't happened yet, right?
mikeif you want to admitted ALL WHAT JOHN SAW WAS ALREADY WRITTEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ,
SO WHAT JOHN SAW WAS WHAT ALREADY HAPPEN ,WHAT WAS HAPPEN AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN ,
AGAIN THERE IS NO FORESEE/N OF GOD ,BUT UNDERSTANDING GIVEN TO JOHN,BIG DIFFERENCE
Hi Pierre:What about this scripture:
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Rev 1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyagain that scripture does not tell you what God foresees but what he shown to others of what he will carry out in time ,
big difference ,it is God's power that make it to be ,no power can resist God
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2014,11:41) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 25 2014,01:20) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2014,13:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2014,07:51) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,19:46) AGAIN TO ME WHEN GOD TOLD THE PROPHETS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE THIS IS NOT FORESEEN ,BECAUSE HE HIS NOT INVESTIGATE THE FUTURE BUT MAKE IT ,BIG DIFFERENCE……….
What about the things John himself was able to FORESEE in Revelation? He was FORSEEING things that haven't happened yet, right?
mikeif you want to admitted ALL WHAT JOHN SAW WAS ALREADY WRITTEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ,
SO WHAT JOHN SAW WAS WHAT ALREADY HAPPEN ,WHAT WAS HAPPEN AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN ,
AGAIN THERE IS NO FORESEE/N OF GOD ,BUT UNDERSTANDING GIVEN TO JOHN,BIG DIFFERENCE
Hi Pierre:What about this scripture:
Quote
Rev 1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyagain that scripture does not tell you what God foresees but what he shown to others of what he will carry out in time ,
big difference ,it is God's power that make it to be ,no power can resist God
Pierre:I have tried to be patient with you, but sometimes, it is very difficult to do, and when you come to correct me all you indicate is that I am wrong, but you don't supply any scriptures to back up your claim, and that gets frustrating and so, yes, God knows every thought and every action that both you and I have and do, and so, if the sin is not confessed with a repentant heart, it is written in His book of life to be dealt with on the day of judgment, and so, if I have offended you by asking you to look up the scripture to see if I what I quoted was accurate or not, please forgive me, but I spoke that way because of my frustration.
How is He going to judge every man according to His works, if he does not know, and wakeup posted a scripture that Jesus knew who would believe and who would not, and God showed him this prior to it happening. Is that not forseeing what will happen before it happens?
Here are the scriptures:
Quote 2.John 6:64
Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.Quote 16.Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.Revelation 20:13
The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Mike has tried to convince that you may be in error, and Gene, and wakeup also, but maybe t8 will be able to convince you by some scriptures he may be able to post. I am sure there are many more that have not been posted. It is the scriptures that will have to convince me that I am wrong, and if so, I will apply what I have learned, I appreciate the correction, because I do not want to say something that He did not say, or in other words to teach something contrary to His Word.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2014,15:58) so God the great architect does not foresee what he knows ,he shows what he knows will come to be ,
Pierre, what you seem to be saying is that God “foreknows”, but doesn't “foresee”. And those two things are at odds with each other.Do you SEE what I mean?
The word “see” sometimes means the same thing as “know”. The word “see” doesn't always mean “see with the eyes”. Sometimes it means “perceive with the brain” – like in that last question I asked you.
I wasn't asking if you can SEE what I mean WITH YOUR EYES. I was asking if you can PERCEIVE what I mean WITH YOUR BRAIN.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2014,15:58) foreknowledge means to know prior of the knowledge that is known
Foreknowledge is the ability to SEE (perceive) things that have yet to happen. We call it “foreseeing”.Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2014,15:58) if this is true then God created evil
Why? Evil is the act of going against God's will and/or commands. And the fact that God knew ahead of time (foresaw) that men and angels were going to go against His will and commands does not mean God actually CREATED those evil actions.Let's say God already knows that a man named Jim will murder a man named Bill in two weeks. This doesn't mean God is actually the one who created that ACT of murder. God isn't the one who is going to murder Bill in two weeks. He is the one who created Jim with the free will to murder or not murder.
Marty has said it correctly this time: God created all intelligent beings with the free will to choose either to go along with His will, or to go against His will. These are OUR choices to make each day. If we choose to go against God's will, we commit the act of “evil”. God didn't create that act. He created us with the free will to make the choice.
Marty
Quote How is He going to judge every man according to His works, if he does not know, and wakeup posted a scripture that Jesus knew who would believe and who would not, and God showed him this prior to it happening. Is that not forseeing what will happen before it happens? PS 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
And may they not be recorded with the righteous.
Phil 4:3 Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
REV 3:5 ‘ He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
REV 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
REV 17:8 “ The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.
REV 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
REV 20:15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.REV 21:27 and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
DO UNDERSTAND THAT I KNOW THAT GOD AS IN A WAY MADE A BOOK OF LIFE IN THE BEGINNING BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ALL THE NAMES WERE WRITTEN IN IT ,IT WOULD TAKE GOOD DEEDS TO FIND OUR SELVES WORTHY TO BE WRITTEN IN IT ;LIKE BE JUDGED FOR WHAT WE HAD DONE EITHER GOOD OR BAD
where does it say that our name is written in God's book of live prior to have been born and received our personal name
and what period of our life make it that we are judge on
is it not from our birth till our death Ecc 12:13 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.so please answer my questions
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2014,22:54) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2014,15:58) so God the great architect does not foresee what he knows ,he shows what he knows will come to be ,
Pierre, what you seem to be saying is that God “foreknows”, but doesn't “foresee”. And those two things are at odds with each other.Do you SEE what I mean?
The word “see” sometimes means the same thing as “know”. The word “see” doesn't always mean “see with the eyes”. Sometimes it means “perceive with the brain” – like in that last question I asked you.
I wasn't asking if you can SEE what I mean WITH YOUR EYES. I was asking if you can PERCEIVE what I mean WITH YOUR BRAIN.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2014,15:58) foreknowledge means to know prior of the knowledge that is known
Foreknowledge is the ability to SEE (perceive) things that have yet to happen. We call it “foreseeing”.Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2014,15:58) if this is true then God created evil
Why? Evil is the act of going against God's will and/or commands. And the fact that God knew ahead of time (foresaw) that men and angels were going to go against His will and commands does not mean God actually CREATED those evil actions.Let's say God already knows that a man named Jim will murder a man named Bill in two weeks. This doesn't mean God is actually the one who created that ACT of murder. God isn't the one who is going to murder Bill in two weeks. He is the one who created Jim with the free will to murder or not murder.
Marty has said it correctly this time: God created all intelligent beings with the free will to choose either to go along with His will, or to go against His will. These are OUR choices to make each day. If we choose to go against God's will, we commit the act of “evil”. God didn't create that act. He created us with the free will to make the choice.
MikeQuote Pierre, what you seem to be saying is that God “foreknows”, but doesn't “foresee”. And those two things are at odds with each other. Do you SEE what I mean?
what i am saying is that God KNOWS WHAT HE HIS DOING AND WERE HE IS GOING AND SO TO HIM THERE IS NO FOREKNOWLEDGE OR FORESEEING AT ALL ,HIS POWER WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN HE WAS TAKING HIS PEOPLE OUT OF EGYPT
MAN ON THE OTHER HAND DO NOT KNOW NOTHING 'AND DIE OF LACK OF GODLY KNOWLEDGE THAT WOULD TELL THEM WHERE IT IS THAT GOD GOES AND SO MAKE THEIR LIFE'S ACCORDINGLY
THE SCRIPTURES SEEMS TO BE OUR LIGHT INTO GOD'S KNOWLEDGE FOR THE THINGS HE DID IN THE PAST AND FOR THE THINGS HE WILL DO FOR THE GOOD OF THOSE WHO HAD BELIEVE IN HIM AND IN HIS SON HE SEND
THE GOOD PEOPLE ARE THOSE THAT WASH THERE CLOTHS INTO THE BLOOD OF CHRIST ,REVELATION IS CLEAR ON THIS .AND SO ARE THE GOSPELS ,
Mike
Quote I wasn't asking if you can SEE what I mean WITH YOUR EYES. I was asking if you can PERCEIVE what I mean WITH YOUR BRAIN. what we men can see perceive in a view in our mind or understand the deep meanings of God this is not foreseen or foreknowledge to me anyway ;
but we do not talking about men BUT ABOUT GOD ;FORESEE/N OR FOREKNOWLEDGE ;WHEN WE UNDERSTAND THAT GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING ,THIS TO ME IMPLY COMMON SENSE ;HE CREATED ALL THINGS HE PUT IT IN PLACE, AND HE GIVE IT THE TIME OR AGES,
TELL ME WHAT PART DOES HE NOT KNOW
WE DO NOT KNOW MUCH THIS IS A FACT,NOT A ASSUMPTION ,DOES GOD NEED TO FORESEE HIS OWN PLAN,OR OWN BEHAVIOR AND ACTIONS WHEN HE KNOWS FOR WELL THAT THEIR IS NO ONE THAT CAN OVER POWER HIM OR CHANGE THE COURSE HE AS TRACED ,EVEN SATAN DOES NOT ,THOSE LIKE HIM(ANGELS OR MEN) WILL FIND THEMSELVES BEING TAKEN CARE OF IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IN TIME THOSE WHO ARE NOT BEING WORKING WITH GOD ONLY HURT THEMSELVES AND THE RIGHTEOUS BUT FOR A TIME ONLY ,Mike
Quote Why? Evil is the act of going against God's will and/or commands. And the fact that God knew ahead of time (foresaw) that men and angels were going to go against His will and commands does not mean God actually CREATED those evil actions. yes, i agree that God ad known the possibility that MEN OR ANGELS COULD FLIP TOWARDS THEIR OWN VIEW OF ACTIONS ;BUT THIS WAS PART OF GOD'S SET UP RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING ;WHEN HE PLANTED THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF RIGHT AND WRONG ,
BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK NOW TODAY(6000 YEARS LATER) DID GOD PLAN AS CHANGED
WHO AS BEEN HURT WHO ARE THE ONES TRULY PAYING WITH UNDERSTANDING THE PAINS IN THE WORLD WITCH POWER CAN REALLY STOP GOD'S PLAN OR WORKS TOWARD HIS END
NONE ;THE FACT THAT HE AS SHARED SOME OF HIS PLAN WITH SOME CHOICE MEN ,SO THAT THEY SHARED IT WITH OTHER THAT DO CARE FOR GOD'S PLAN AND WORKS ,AND LOVE HIM AND HIS SON
THIS IS NOT IN MY VIEW AND UNDERSTANDING “FORESEE OR FOREKNOWLEDGE BY GOD BUT THOSE ARE GIVEN TO MEN FOR MEN THIS IS WHAT PROPHECY IS ALL ABOUT IT ,SEEK AND FIND THE KNOWLEDGE OF GODPS 92:5
How great are Your works, O LORD!
Your thoughts are very deep.
PS 139:17
How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God!
How vast is the sum of them!
ISA 55:8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.
ISA 55:9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.Mike
Quote Let's say God already knows that a man named Jim will murder a man named Bill in two weeks. This doesn't mean God is actually the one who created that ACT of murder. God isn't the one who is going to murder Bill in two weeks. He is the one who created Jim with the free will to murder or not murder. let say that Jim comes to work for God but in the mid of the day Jim feels he did enough WOULD THE DECISION OF JIM ALTER THE WORK PLAN OF GOD
OF CAUSE NOT HE BE REPLACED BY ANOTHER WORKER TO TAKE OVER WERE JIM LEFT IT ,NOW WHAT JIM DOES OUTSIDE THE PLAN OF GOD'S WORK ,THIS IS ALL UP TO HIM ,HE WILL HAVE TO BE FACING THE JUDGE FOR THAT ,SO IN THIS WE AGREE THAT GOD DID NOT CREATE EVIL BUT IT IS A CHOICE THAT MEN OR ANGELS HAVE TAKEN FREELY UPON THEMSELVES
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