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@ DavidL,
Do you follow Christianity as a sort of insurance policy to save you from Hell, or do you follow God and his son, and believe their words because they are true?
Those who are of Jesus listen to him and do what he says. Even if a billion men tell them otherwise.
Yes we all ultimately fail God, but he expects us to listen and do his will and love the truth because love rejoices in truth.
Following a religion because you think it will save you from an eternal Hell is never going to lead you to God. It might scare you into some kind of submission, but that is not enough to save you. Even the demons tremble at God and the thought of the judgement to come. So it is that you must love the truth which they do not. Yet you have publicly ignored Jesus own words regarding what eternal life is based on.
“This is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.”
You have two choices. Accept or reject. I accept this and teach it from the rooftops. You have so far shunned it, haven’t you. After all, when I tell you that the only true God is the Father, and Jesus is the son of the one true God, you persecute me for that, and call me a JW and other names.
If I am persecuted because of Jesus Christ, then I am blessed. If I stand by his words against millions, then I am blessed. If I am accused of all kinds of things because of his words, then the accusations are going direct to the Lord himself because they are his words.I share with you my understanding and you blindly retort that I’m identified with Babylon…and need to repent of idol worshiping…!!!
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you think I’m deceived because I won’t accept your one selected verse as proof against the trinity…a verse you “use” in a way Jesus never intended it to be used…(to deny His own Deity), and that you somehow think validates your false doctrine… (when John 1:1 clearly blows your false concept clean out of the water) –
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You talk about the love of the truth, but this is exactly WHY your doctrine is rejected – your deceitful tactics are as obvious as the JW’s…and prove only that you are as equally devoid of the Spirit’s guidance…!!!so again I ask you….what part of what I shared relates to this Babylonian trinity you are so obsessed with…?
The Trinity is the answer you are looking for. It originated in Babylon. You cannot show one scripture that teaches the Trinity because its origin is not in scripture. So it originated elsewhere. And when you go back as far as you can, there is Babylon. Tamuz th son was even born on Dec 25.
Your Babylonian teaching is completely off track – when the trinity (complete unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is traced back to it’s origin, you end up in Genesis 1:1 (not Babylon) – I have shown you many Scriptures that reveal the trinity…But it is the Apostle John who points us back to the very first verse of Scripture, revealing Father and Son together in the one word “GOD” – (and in the next verse the Holy Spirit is also at work in creation)…of course you only see what you want to see..because you’ve already committed to a doctrine that is at odds with the whole revealed Word of God..and so you can’t acknowledge what you don’t want to be true..you have too much at stake, and are locked into your deception..now you can only hope against hope that in the end your house of cards won’t be blown away..but sadly the whole foundation of your teaching is wrong.
david
you did not give me another scripture that support Mat 28;19,
I would like to see where the connection is made from ,
Our own understanding means nothing if it is not in scripture or contradicts scripture. Credit is given where credit is due. If you can probe it from scripture then good. But you have failed the scriptural test. We judge your doctrine with scripture and your doctrine is not there.
We both know you won’t get one.
As believers we do all in the name of Jesus to the glory of God the Father.
Others do things in other names, such their own name, Mary the Mother of God, a Babylonian God such as a trinity God, etc.Mat 28:19 – “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
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In the Great Commission recorded in Luke we again see Father, Son and Holy Spirit together as ONE – “And now I [Jesus] will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven.” – Luke 24:49David
Luke 24;49 as nothing to do with Math 28;19 ;but more with the verse 20 ,
read the words of Christ by excluding verse 19 and see for yourself that there is no need for that verse to be there,this must be something that was added ,just like the word POOR is miss translated 99 % of the time,
why ??? to make the people follow men and give to men (leaders)
Here is given you a perfect mathematical illustration of the trinity (not like the other ones you love to ridicule)…but typically your response is just to brush it aside as meaningless and unimportant…
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Conclusion – your misguided understanding of God (and misinterpretation of Scripture) is making you completely unable to accept or acknowledge any evidence of the truth…The connection between these two verses is – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit united together as ONE GOD…
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t8 teaches that the Father alone is God…”the only true God” quoting the word’s of Jesus (but not being honest as to the context of this prayer – 1. that Jesus is obviously speaking from His humanity acknowledging the Father is the only true God, 2. but also that the Jews were devoutly monotheistic in their understanding of God and could not yet even receive the revelation of Jesus as Messiah…let alone of Him as GOD) But in dethroning Christ of His proper Deity t8 has to alter the wording and continue to change the meaning of Scriptures starting with the most obvious one (John 1:1) denying John’s revelation of Jesus existing not only with God – but AS God…therefore he has to make Jesus some other god (“existed with God as another identity” or “the Father is God and Jesus is another.”)…when the very Scriptures declare THERE IS NO OTHER…!!
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“I AM THE LORD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER; APART FROM ME THERE IS NO GOD…” – Isaiah 45:5
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“For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?” – Psalm 18:31
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“There is no one holy like the LORD; THERE IS NO ONE BESIDES YOU; there is no Rock like our God.” – 1 Samuel 2:2
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1 Corinthians 10:4 says – “…AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.”..!!!
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SO IS JESUS “ANOTHER” – OR IS HE GOD….??DavidL, you can give me the so-called perfect mathematical illustration, shape, diagram, wooden sculpture or whatever, but I just want to see scripture. My trust is in God, not man.
Jesus said unto them, “If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me”.
Jesus said, “”And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent,”.
Jesus also said, “But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. ″My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
Let’s see. If God were your Father, and if he was the only true God to you, then you would obviously listen to the one whom he sent.
Those who stubbornly hold to the Babylonian Trinity Doctrine after being shown these scriptures, don’t believe in the only true God being the Father, and they do not listen to Jesus Christ who said the only true God is the Father. Therefore you would have to question whether they were his sheep. That would be the only conclusion because opposing Jesus and saying you are his sheep cannot be reconciled.
David
but Chuck Missler is a man just like me ,but he as a great financial empire ,I only have my voice ,and what I know in scriptures what the truth i believe ,not what men tells me what I should believe or not believe ,
unless you show me in scriptures that the trinity was teach by Christ and his disciples and also in the OT scriptures ,because God never change,
you have no faith to share ,
if you do not have a spirit,and soul and a body (envelope)you are not a being ,
so do not get confused between the composition of the being and the trinity what is a composition of three beings this would end up as 9 factors not 3 ,
but you are free to satisfy yourself in any way ,so many Catholics are, and others too , with the trinity that is ,
Quote: “…However, there is a mathematical way to illustrate how 1 + 1 + 1 can equal 1. This is by using the concept of infinity: one infinity plus one infinity plus one infinity equals three infinities, and, as any student of mathematics knows, three times infinity equals one infinity. So one infinity plus one infinity plus one infinity equals one infinity. One infinite Father plus one infinite Son plus one infinite Holy Spirit equals one infinite Godhead. Since God is infinite, this is a suitable mathematical description of the doctrine of the Trinity. This in no way detracts from the mystery of the doctrine since infinity, like the Trinity, is beyond our ability to comprehend. It is simply hoped that this mathematical description will satisfy those who accuse Christians of having a conception of God which is irrational or polytheistic.”
– Arthur ManningYou must determine for yourself what is true – I’m just offering some support for belief in the trinity, on a site that only gives you biased information.
You say our understanding means nothing if it is not in Scripture…but isn’t this why I reject your understanding..??? It’s not based on Scripture, rather it has come from your study of church history, and the philosophy of scientific men like Isaac Newton…!
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My point is this: If you prayed and meditated on the words of John 1:1, rather than try and make sense of them in a purely theological way…you will reach an entirely different conclusion to the one you currently hold…
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