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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 20 2013,00:01) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,11:50) Both Jesus and the children are said to share in flesh in blood though different words are used that mean the same thing just as partake and take part are synonyms. Both parties are made by God. “Took on” seems to contradict the idea expressed in the words “was made” where “took part” does not.
Despite your biased reasoning that one “seems to contradict” the other, in reality they don't contradict each other.Some of us will “partake” in divine nature, right? Does this mean that we don't HAVE a nature now, and the “partaking in divine nature” will be our original state? Or does it speak of someone who ALREADY HAS a non-divine nature taking on a new and different nature?
Obviously, it is the latter, right? So the fact that Jesus “partook” in flesh means that he already existed in a different form before “partaking in flesh”. And that same thought can be expressed many different ways, such as:
1. He partook in flesh.
2. He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh.
3. He became flesh.
4. He was transformed into flesh.
5. He was made in the likeness of human beings.
Etc.
And your BIASED denial of these things is really of no consequence to any truth seeker, Kerwin. Just like my insistence that the earth is flat would be of no consequence to anyone seeking the actual truth of the matter. In other words, you can keep SAYING that one contradicts the other until you're blue in the face……… but it won't have any bearing on the truthful outcome of the discussion.
Mike,You did not use the word “take on” once and those are the words I am claiming seem to disagree with words “was made”.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,12:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 19 2013,23:52) I disagree. I see no scripture where a man was called a god by an inspired writer of scripture. The fact that pagans and others considered men to be gods is of no consequence. When an inspired writer of scripture said “god”, he was talking about powerful spirit beings – not men.
(Sometimes, he was talking about man-made idols that people worshipped as powerful spirit beings, but again, not men.)
Mike,Acts 28:6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.
Who thought Paul was a god? The Jew Luke, who wrote down the ordeal? Or the pagan people of the island of Malta?It was the latter, right? And since Paul didn't die like a MAN would have died from the snake bite, they were probably thinking he was a powerful spirit being who was visiting them in the FORM of a man – much like the powerful spirit angels of God often visited earth in the FORM of a man. Those angels from God weren't actually human beings though, right?
So those inhabitants of Malta, who originally thought Paul was a HUMAN BEING, changed their minds after he didn't die from the snake bite, and started thinking he was something OTHER THAN a human being – namely, a god.
Also, I'm aware that many scholars believe magistrates were called gods in Hebrew scriptures. I disagree. Perhaps you could show me the scripture where a Hebrew writer considered a human being to be a god?
(I used to also believe Deborah and some of the other judges were called “gods” in scripture. But during the course of a discussion with Lightenup, I adjusted my understanding due to the things she pointed out.)
So there are scriptures where the KJV translates “el” as “judge”, and applies it to a human being. Find one of those scriptures if you want, and we can discuss whether or not a human being is really the one in question.
In the meantime, I remain confidant that no human being is called a god in any scripture. That word refers to powerful spirit beings, the Most High of whom is Jehovah.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,12:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 20 2013,00:01) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,11:50) Both Jesus and the children are said to share in flesh in blood though different words are used that mean the same thing just as partake and take part are synonyms. Both parties are made by God. “Took on” seems to contradict the idea expressed in the words “was made” where “took part” does not.
Despite your biased reasoning that one “seems to contradict” the other, in reality they don't contradict each other.Some of us will “partake” in divine nature, right? Does this mean that we don't HAVE a nature now, and the “partaking in divine nature” will be our original state? Or does it speak of someone who ALREADY HAS a non-divine nature taking on a new and different nature?
Obviously, it is the latter, right? So the fact that Jesus “partook” in flesh means that he already existed in a different form before “partaking in flesh”. And that same thought can be expressed many different ways, such as:
1. He partook in flesh.
2. He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh.
3. He became flesh.
4. He was transformed into flesh.
5. He was made in the likeness of human beings.
Etc.
And your BIASED denial of these things is really of no consequence to any truth seeker, Kerwin. Just like my insistence that the earth is flat would be of no consequence to anyone seeking the actual truth of the matter. In other words, you can keep SAYING that one contradicts the other until you're blue in the face……… but it won't have any bearing on the truthful outcome of the discussion.
Mike,You did not use the word “take on” once and those are the words I am claiming seem to disagree with words “was made”.
Oh. Well then add…………6. He took on flesh.
7. He took on the likeness of a human being.
…….. to my list.
To all………..Well back to the subject of This thread, There are NO spirit BODIES whatsoever? A body is not Spirit, what is IN that body is SPIRIT, a spirit can cohabit a body but never be a body. Just that simple, when a persons spirit leaves him at death he no longer exists , he will remain that way forever unless a resurrection of that body takes place and spirit is added back into it again, and then the person will once again be a LIVING SOUL. It was the same way for Jesus to.
It's just that simple, if you don't attain unto a resurrection from the dead you simply will not exist any more. There is no such thing as an eternal soul, there is only a souls body that can be keep alive by spirit of life within it.
Peace and love……………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 21 2013,07:06) To all………..Well back to the subject of This thread, There are NO spirit BODIES whatsoever? A body is not Spirit, what is IN that body is SPIRIT, a spirit can cohabit a body but never be a body. Just that simple, when a persons spirit leaves him at death he no longer exists , he will remain that way forever unless a resurrection of that body takes place and spirit is added back into it again, and then the person will once again be a LIVING SOUL. It was the same way for Jesus to. It's just that simple, if you don't attain unto a resurrection from the dead you simply will not exist any more. There is no such thing as an eternal soul, there is only a souls body that can be keep alive by spirit of life within it.
Peace and love……………………..gene
Gene B.You are in contradiction with these scriptures.
1 Corinthians 15:40 ***There are also celestial bodies***, and ***bodies terrestrial***:
but the glory of **the celestial is one**,
and the glory of **the terrestrial is another**.TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF *BODIES*.
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a **natural body**; it is raised a **spiritual body**. ***There is a natural body***,
*****and there is a spiritual body*****.TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF *BODIES*.
Resurrected saints will be like the angels;(Jesus words);with a celestial *BODY*.
You need to humbly change your concept; or just ignore
those scriptures, and just carry on contradicting scriptures.wakeup.
Wake……..You have added a lot of personal thoughts to those scriptures. For instance, what make you think Terrestrial and Celestial Bodies are not both Physical bodies, That was never the Issue Paul was dealing with. Paul was dealing with the GLORY of those “bodies” Angels have Bodies but Spirits do not have “Bodies” of any type. The “Glory” of one “body” differs in Glory of another, is the Point, our present bodies have a type of Glory and our resurrected bodies will have another type of Glory, they(those Bodies), will be Spiritually Sustained and can live for ever, those bodies will have more Power and more radiance, but be assured they will be PHYSICAL BODIES, Flesh and Bone bodies just as Jesus has after he was resurrected from the DEAD Never to die again in a Body. To say a Body or a man is Spiritual does not mean He does not have a Physical Body, even now we use the term like this , ” He was a spiritual man all his life, does not mean He did not have a Physical?
Notice also how the scripture is worded “IT”, is sown a natural BODY, “IT”, is “RAISED” a Spiritual “BODY” you see the word “IT” never Changed from “it;s” original reference. A PHYSICAL BODY.
Thinking a Human being is going to be turned into a Spirit of some kind is a false teaching, No scripture say that . If there is please post it and you may have a Point. No scripture say Jesus is a spirit being either, in fact he said he was He was not a Spirit right? “for a spirit has not flesh and bone as you see i have” and that was after his resurrection.
So perhaps you need to “humbly” change your concept; or just ignore scriptures,and just carry on contradicting scriptures yourself.
peace and love…………………………………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 20 2013,21:50) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,12:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 20 2013,00:01) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2013,11:50) Both Jesus and the children are said to share in flesh in blood though different words are used that mean the same thing just as partake and take part are synonyms. Both parties are made by God. “Took on” seems to contradict the idea expressed in the words “was made” where “took part” does not.
Despite your biased reasoning that one “seems to contradict” the other, in reality they don't contradict each other.Some of us will “partake” in divine nature, right? Does this mean that we don't HAVE a nature now, and the “partaking in divine nature” will be our original state? Or does it speak of someone who ALREADY HAS a non-divine nature taking on a new and different nature?
Obviously, it is the latter, right? So the fact that Jesus “partook” in flesh means that he already existed in a different form before “partaking in flesh”. And that same thought can be expressed many different ways, such as:
1. He partook in flesh.
2. He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh.
3. He became flesh.
4. He was transformed into flesh.
5. He was made in the likeness of human beings.
Etc.
And your BIASED denial of these things is really of no consequence to any truth seeker, Kerwin. Just like my insistence that the earth is flat would be of no consequence to anyone seeking the actual truth of the matter. In other words, you can keep SAYING that one contradicts the other until you're blue in the face……… but it won't have any bearing on the truthful outcome of the discussion.
Mike,You did not use the word “take on” once and those are the words I am claiming seem to disagree with words “was made”.
Oh. Well then add…………6. He took on flesh.
7. He took on the likeness of a human being.
…….. to my list.
Mike,I assume you do realize partook means shared?
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 21 2013,17:28) Mike, I assume you do realize partook means shared?
Yes Kerwin.Since the children were of flesh, the savior also had to partake of flesh (share our flesh nature).
He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, and took on a much lesser form by sharing in our flesh nature.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 21 2013,08:52) Angels have Bodies but Spirits do not have “Bodies” of any type.
Angels ARE spirits, Gene.Who do you think Satan's “angels” are? (Matthew 25:41)
Aren't they “demons” – which are “unclean SPIRITS”?
Your problem has always been that you insist on understanding only ONE of the MANY meanings of “spirit” in the scriptures. And as EVERYONE told you countless times in the “Do spirits have bodies?” thread, you are the one who is wrong.
Now Wakeup, who was never a part of that 500 page thread, is telling you the same thing. How many people will have to tell it to you before you believe it?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 22 2013,01:52) Wake……..You have added a lot of personal thoughts to those scriptures. For instance, what make you think Terrestrial and Celestial Bodies are not both Physical bodies, That was never the Issue Paul was dealing with. Paul was dealing with the GLORY of those “bodies” Angels have Bodies but Spirits do not have “Bodies” of any type. The “Glory” of one “body” differs in Glory of another, is the Point, our present bodies have a type of Glory and our resurrected bodies will have another type of Glory, they(those Bodies), will be Spiritually Sustained and can live for ever, those bodies will have more Power and more radiance, but be assured they will be PHYSICAL BODIES, Flesh and Bone bodies just as Jesus has after he was resurrected from the DEAD Never to die again in a Body. To say a Body or a man is Spiritual does not mean He does not have a Physical Body, even now we use the term like this , ” He was a spiritual man all his life, does not mean He did not have a Physical? Notice also how the scripture is worded “IT”, is sown a natural BODY, “IT”, is “RAISED” a Spiritual “BODY” you see the word “IT” never Changed from “it;s” original reference. A PHYSICAL BODY.
Thinking a Human being is going to be turned into a Spirit of some kind is a false teaching, No scripture say that . If there is please post it and you may have a Point. No scripture say Jesus is a spirit being either, in fact he said he was He was not a Spirit right? “for a spirit has not flesh and bone as you see i have” and that was after his resurrection.
So perhaps you need to “humbly” change your concept; or just ignore scriptures,and just carry on contradicting scriptures yourself.
peace and love…………………………………………….gene
Gene B.In a nut shell,what you are saying is that a celestial body
consists of flesh and bone.(because of Jesus appearing).But this contradicts Jesus words; for he said:
YOU WILL BE AS THE ANGELS.
John3:6. That which is born of the FLESH IS FLESH,(terrestrial).and that which is born of the *SPIRIT IS SPIRIT*.(celestial).ANGELS ARE FLESH AND BONE AS YOU SAY:
And therefore, satan and his angels are also flesh and bone roaming this earth.(this is not in scripture).*FLESH* AND BLOOD CAN **NOT ENTER** THE KINGDOM OF GOD:(Jesus words).
You have to contradict him by saying: Not so; for all angels are flesh and bone;and Jesus is also flesh and bone,and they are in the kingom in heaven.(is Gene right/Jesus wrong)?
You also quoted that spirits dont have bodies.
You are CONFUSING spirit, as spirit; and spirit creatures.
***********DECERNING* the scriptures is very important.
Jesus *HAD* to show himself in the flesh for his brothers to *witness* that it is *HE* whom the jews had crucified.
He indeed appeared to them in the flesh as he was,with all his wounds.
But not necessary his permanent body,with all the scars.
For the scripture says; you will be spirit,like the wind,like the angels.PS: The word *IT* was used,because a dead body is an *IT*
*IT* was sown.(the dead body was sown).wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 22 2013,05:43) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 21 2013,17:28) Mike, I assume you do realize partook means shared?
Yes Kerwin.Since the children were of flesh, the savior also had to partake of flesh (share our flesh nature).
He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, and took on a much lesser form by sharing in our flesh nature.
Mike,That is not what the passage in Hebrew 2 explicitly states and that is not what it implies. Hebrews 2:14 states that both Jesus his brothers share flesh and blood and it implies that both parties share mortality; for the animal soul is in the blood, Genesis 9:4 and Leviticus 17:11.
The AKJV and is relatives translate Hebrews 2:15-16 but there are other viewpoints of that passage that go with the idea God made Jesus instead of Jesus making himself.
Hebrews 2:15-16
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)15 and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
In Young's the passage is not even speaking of Jesus.
Hebrews 2:15-16
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)15 and might deliver those, whoever, with fear of death, throughout all their life, were subjects of bondage,
16 for, doubtless, of messengers it doth not lay hold, but of seed of Abraham it layeth hold,Darby's gives another way of looking at it.
Hebrews 2:15-16
Darby Translation (DARBY)15 and might set free all those who through fear of death through the whole of their life were subject to bondage.
16 For he does not indeed take hold of angels [by the hand], but he takes hold of the seed of Abraham.[/quote]
Mike,Kerwin.
You need to quote sriptures correctly,as not to sway your brothers.
The *life* is in the blood; not the soul.(Lev.17:11)
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.
Hi kjack.I say that he was glorified at his resurrection.
And so will we be glorified at the resurrection.
He can appear and disappear at will.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,05:31) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.
Hi kjack.I say that he was glorified at his resurrection.
And so will we be glorified at the resurrection.
He can appear and disappear at will.wakeup.
wChrist could only be glorified by his God and father within his presence and the presence of the assembly of angel ,because his father let him sit on his throne with him ,this was not done at the resurrection on earth ,
Jn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your PRESENCE with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,11:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,05:31) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.
Hi kjack.I say that he was glorified at his resurrection.
And so will we be glorified at the resurrection.
He can appear and disappear at will.wakeup.
wChrist could only be glorified by his God and father within his presence and the presence of the assembly of angel ,because his father let him sit on his throne with him ,this was not done at the resurrection on earth ,
Jn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your PRESENCE with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Terra.A resurrected Body is glorified already.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:12) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,11:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,05:31) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.
Hi kjack.I say that he was glorified at his resurrection.
And so will we be glorified at the resurrection.
He can appear and disappear at will.wakeup.
wChrist could only be glorified by his God and father within his presence and the presence of the assembly of angel ,because his father let him sit on his throne with him ,this was not done at the resurrection on earth ,
Jn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your PRESENCE with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Terra.A resurrected Body is glorified already.
wakeup.
WQuote A resurrected Body is glorified already. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHRIST ;SO LET SEE YOUR SUPPORTING SCRIPTURES
IF YOU HAVE ANYQuote (Wakeup @ Oct. 22 2013,13:57) [ Jesus *HAD* to show himself in the flesh for his brothers to *witness* that it is *HE* whom the jews had crucified.
He indeed appeared to them in the flesh as he was,with all his wounds.
But not necessary his permanent body,with all the scars.
For the scripture says; you will be spirit,like the wind,like the angels.PS: The word *IT* was used,because a dead body is an *IT*
*IT* was sown.(the dead body was sown).wakeup.
Wakeup………First of all no scripture say Angels are Spirit beings, they are physical being who God has made the Spirits that are “IN” them. Saying he “HAD” to show himself as a flesh person is also an assumption on your part , no scriptures says that either, for one thing, that would be a deception on his part, if he did that anyway. It is this physical human being who will come and sit on the throne of His Father King David and rule from Jerusalem with the Physical Saints On this earth and it will have Physical Human being In that Kingdom also.To say flesh and blood can't go into the Kingdom of God is using that scripture wrongly, what Jesus was saying was that the Kingdom of God is a Spiritual Kingdom and Must be perceive Spiritually , but it is the Spirit that is IN these flesh Bodies we have that allows us to perceive that kingdom and inter it mentally. flesh and blood perceives nothing, because it is Just flesh and blood, a Body only, our bodies do not make up our complete thinking process the Spirit in these bodies that do that. God is a Spirit and we must perceive him in a Spiritual sense, not a physical one, in order to enter into his kingdom.
A physical resurrection is absolutely necessary if anyone is going to continue to live after they die, according to Paul and Jesus and all the apostles> If you doubt it go and read in Ezekiel at the valley of dead bones, where the resurrection is given in absolute detail.
A Living human Soul has a body Just as Genesis shows. Even Jesus said he was dead and now alive forever, and He said plainly, a “Spirit” did “NOT” have flesh and bone “AS HE HAD”. I think i will believe what Jesus said over what main stream false Christianity teaches.
Wakaeup, and yes the word “IT” was used, because a dead Body is an “IT” and “IT” (that dead body was sown in weakness) and “IT” (that dead Body) was “raised” in POWER. That is saying there is a “RESURRECTION of “IT” that dead BODY.
Wakeup, you have simply bought into the Lies of false religion that is and has been preached by the apostate churches, and infected Christianity sense the death of the apostles. IMO
peace and love…………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,01:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:12) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,11:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,05:31) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.
Hi kjack.I say that he was glorified at his resurrection.
And so will we be glorified at the resurrection.
He can appear and disappear at will.wakeup.
wChrist could only be glorified by his God and father within his presence and the presence of the assembly of angel ,because his father let him sit on his throne with him ,this was not done at the resurrection on earth ,
Jn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your PRESENCE with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Terra.A resurrected Body is glorified already.
wakeup.
WQuote A resurrected Body is glorified already. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHRIST ;SO LET SEE YOUR SUPPORTING SCRIPTURES
IF YOU HAVE ANY
Terra.Quote
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHRIST ;SO LET SEE YOUR SUPPORTING SCRIPTURES IF YOU HAVE ANYWhat happened to christ; how he was resurrected.
Will also happen to the dead in Christ.
At the coming: the living will be instantly changed
in a wink of an eye. (quickened).John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her,
***Touch me not; for I am **not yet ascended**
to my Father***:but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
John 20:19 ***Then the same day at evening***,
being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:12) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,11:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,05:31) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.
Hi kjack.I say that he was glorified at his resurrection.
And so will we be glorified at the resurrection.
He can appear and disappear at will.wakeup.
wChrist could only be glorified by his God and father within his presence and the presence of the assembly of angel ,because his father let him sit on his throne with him ,this was not done at the resurrection on earth ,
Jn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your PRESENCE with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Terra.A resurrected Body is glorified already.
wakeup.
wany scriptures
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