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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 03 2013,07:19) Kerwin, “Us” is in there. It's just hidden from our English speaking eyes in the plural Hebrew verb.
Mike,The same context would make Elohim plural.
Quote (jammin @ May 03 2013,10:58) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,12:16) Quote (jammin @ May 03 2013,04:26) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,06:37) Quote (jammin @ May 02 2013,12:50) kerwin, you talk non sense.
you told me you can read in hebrew that God is talking to his angels in gen 1.26 but icant read those words from you in the hebrew bible
make your own bible
Jammin,I can read in Hebrew because I use a Hebrew to English dictionary. I do not claim to be fluent. Dictionaries are tools that I fin enhance my understanding. Of those that have more, more is expected.
LOLlet me post the hebrew of gen 1.26
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְעֹ֣וף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץlet me post the english bible
Genesis 1:26
And God said Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earthcan you read that?
there is no angels there. LOL
the hebrew word for angel is malach
מַלְאָךְmake your own bible.
Jammin,First pass rendition. A given of the site.
said god make man our image to our likeness rule the fish of the sea the birds of the sky the cattle all the earth every creeping creeps on the earth.
My usual action is to look at the Transliteration of certain words in order to understand them better.
As 2besee pointed out earlier “us” is not literally in Genesis 1:26.
you dont know hebrew.tsk tsk . you wasted my time boy.
make your own bible.
Jammin,I use aids to understand it. I use similar aids to understand some English.
Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,02:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 03 2013,07:19) Kerwin, “Us” is in there. It's just hidden from our English speaking eyes in the plural Hebrew verb.
Mike,The same context would make Elohim plural.
Kerwin,I just laid this out for 2B in this thread. Didn't you read what I told him?
Let's say there is ONLY the Hebrew verb “runs”. If that verb is written in the feminine, third person form, we know they mean SHE runs – even though the word “she” cannot be seen in the transliteration.
I don't know all the ins and outs of it, but are you seeing my point?
So in 1:26, the verb “make” is written in the second person masculine form. That makes that single verb “make” mean “US make”, or “WE make”.
Get it? We don't see the “US” or “WE” in a transliteration – but it is implied from the form in which the verb was written.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 04 2013,09:51) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,02:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 03 2013,07:19) Kerwin, “Us” is in there. It's just hidden from our English speaking eyes in the plural Hebrew verb.
Mike,The same context would make Elohim plural.
Kerwin,I just laid this out for 2B in this thread. Didn't you read what I told him?
Let's say there is ONLY the Hebrew verb “runs”. If that verb is written in the feminine, third person form, we know they mean SHE runs – even though the word “she” cannot be seen in the transliteration.
I don't know all the ins and outs of it, but are you seeing my point?
So in 1:26, the verb “make” is written in the second person masculine form. That makes that single verb “make” mean “US make”, or “WE make”.
Get it? We don't see the “US” or “WE” in a transliteration – but it is implied from the form in which the verb was written.
Mike,I was not debating that. I was saying that when the context is plural Elohim becomes plural. As I pointed out to Jammin, Jehovah was speaking to the angels through the angels.
To All…………God is omnipresent He can speak through any one even a Jackass, He spoke to us through the Prophets, through angels, through Jesus and others servants also. Or haven't you all read where we are told by Jesus not to premeditate on what we would say if brought before a Rule or magistrate regarding our belief, remember He said, in that very hour it would be given us what to say , but it would not be “US” speaking, but the Spirit of our Father speaking through us.
Why is it so hard for you people to believe God can be with us and also speak directly through our very mouths first person at the same time I have personnel had that happen and it not only astounded the person i was addressing, so he could not even answer me , it astounded me also because i was not even thinking it , it just came out of my mouth. My accuser just stuttered and could not even answer, and all those present were also amazed. We should not limit God as to what he can do and has done many time in the past , God spoke direct through Jesus' mouth, who do you think said, destroy this temple and in three days I (GOD) shall raise it up that was not Jesus speaking it was God the Father speaking directly through him “first Person”. God considers us Temples he can dwell “in” because he is a Spirit.
How do i know that, because Jesus did not raise himself up from the grave, because he was “dead” , it was God the Father that raised him up just as scripture says he did. Problem here is people do not know what Spirits are, nor how they can work in and through people.
IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………………………gene
Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,19:32) Quote (jammin @ May 03 2013,10:58) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,12:16) Quote (jammin @ May 03 2013,04:26) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,06:37) Quote (jammin @ May 02 2013,12:50) kerwin, you talk non sense.
you told me you can read in hebrew that God is talking to his angels in gen 1.26 but icant read those words from you in the hebrew bible
make your own bible
Jammin,I can read in Hebrew because I use a Hebrew to English dictionary. I do not claim to be fluent. Dictionaries are tools that I fin enhance my understanding. Of those that have more, more is expected.
LOLlet me post the hebrew of gen 1.26
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְעֹ֣וף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץlet me post the english bible
Genesis 1:26
And God said Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earthcan you read that?
there is no angels there. LOL
the hebrew word for angel is malach
מַלְאָךְmake your own bible.
Jammin,First pass rendition. A given of the site.
said god make man our image to our likeness rule the fish of the sea the birds of the sky the cattle all the earth every creeping creeps on the earth.
My usual action is to look at the Transliteration of certain words in order to understand them better.
As 2besee pointed out earlier “us” is not literally in Genesis 1:26.
you dont know hebrew.tsk tsk . you wasted my time boy.
make your own bible.
Jammin,I use aids to understand it. I use similar aids to understand some English.
Aids? Lol. Make your own boyQuote (jammin @ May 06 2013,02:57) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,19:32) Quote (jammin @ May 03 2013,10:58) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,12:16) Quote (jammin @ May 03 2013,04:26) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,06:37) Quote (jammin @ May 02 2013,12:50) kerwin, you talk non sense.
you told me you can read in hebrew that God is talking to his angels in gen 1.26 but icant read those words from you in the hebrew bible
make your own bible
Jammin,I can read in Hebrew because I use a Hebrew to English dictionary. I do not claim to be fluent. Dictionaries are tools that I fin enhance my understanding. Of those that have more, more is expected.
LOLlet me post the hebrew of gen 1.26
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְעֹ֣וף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץlet me post the english bible
Genesis 1:26
And God said Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earthcan you read that?
there is no angels there. LOL
the hebrew word for angel is malach
מַלְאָךְmake your own bible.
Jammin,First pass rendition. A given of the site.
said god make man our image to our likeness rule the fish of the sea the birds of the sky the cattle all the earth every creeping creeps on the earth.
My usual action is to look at the Transliteration of certain words in order to understand them better.
As 2besee pointed out earlier “us” is not literally in Genesis 1:26.
you dont know hebrew.tsk tsk . you wasted my time boy.
make your own bible.
Jammin,I use aids to understand it. I use similar aids to understand some English.
Aids? Lol. Make your own boy
Jammin,I seek to find aids by the Spirit of God. I strive to aid others by he same Spirit.
Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,23:14) Mike, I was not debating that. I was saying that when the context is plural Elohim becomes plural.
Hi Kerwin,I just mentioned this in the other thread:
The word “said” is singular, not plural. Therefore, it was ONE elohim who said the words, “Let US make man in OUR image.”
Hope that helps in your search for understanding.
Quote (jammin @ May 02 2013,17:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 03 2013,10:06) jammin, How many Almighty Gods are there?
are you talking about the nature or person?
Well, is your Almighty God a person, or a nature?Do you worship and serve a NATURE, jammin?
My Almighty God has a soul, and a heart, and He is a person.
In fact, Jesus and I have the same Almighty God.
So who is YOUR Almighty God? A person? A nature? What?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2013,08:07) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,23:14) Mike, I was not debating that. I was saying that when the context is plural Elohim becomes plural.
Hi Kerwin,I just mentioned this in the other thread:
The word “said” is singular, not plural. Therefore, it was ONE elohim who said the words, “Let US make man in OUR image.”
Hope that helps in your search for understanding.
Mike,Thank you!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2013,13:10) Quote (jammin @ May 02 2013,17:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 03 2013,10:06) jammin, How many Almighty Gods are there?
are you talking about the nature or person?
Well, is your Almighty God a person, or a nature?Do you worship and serve a NATURE, jammin?
My Almighty God has a soul, and a heart, and He is a person.
In fact, Jesus and I have the same Almighty God.
So who is YOUR Almighty God? A person? A nature? What?
do you know the meaning of nature and person?before you ask , find the meaning first of nature and person.
now you are asking me how many almighty GODS do i have.
my answer is a question also
im asking you, are you talking about the nature or person?Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2013,16:55) Quote (jammin @ May 06 2013,02:57) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,19:32) Quote (jammin @ May 03 2013,10:58) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,12:16) Quote (jammin @ May 03 2013,04:26) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,06:37) Quote (jammin @ May 02 2013,12:50) kerwin, you talk non sense.
you told me you can read in hebrew that God is talking to his angels in gen 1.26 but icant read those words from you in the hebrew bible
make your own bible
Jammin,I can read in Hebrew because I use a Hebrew to English dictionary. I do not claim to be fluent. Dictionaries are tools that I fin enhance my understanding. Of those that have more, more is expected.
LOLlet me post the hebrew of gen 1.26
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְעֹ֣וף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץlet me post the english bible
Genesis 1:26
And God said Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earthcan you read that?
there is no angels there. LOL
the hebrew word for angel is malach
מַלְאָךְmake your own bible.
Jammin,First pass rendition. A given of the site.
said god make man our image to our likeness rule the fish of the sea the birds of the sky the cattle all the earth every creeping creeps on the earth.
My usual action is to look at the Transliteration of certain words in order to understand them better.
As 2besee pointed out earlier “us” is not literally in Genesis 1:26.
you dont know hebrew.tsk tsk . you wasted my time boy.
make your own bible.
Jammin,I use aids to understand it. I use similar aids to understand some English.
Aids? Lol. Make your own boy
Jammin,I seek to find aids by the Spirit of God. I strive to aid others by he same Spirit.
only morons can accept your opinion.
you cant even read your imagination in the bible and you want people to believe you? oh comon boy.
LOLmake your own bible
Quote (jammin @ May 08 2013,07:44) Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2013,16:55) Quote (jammin @ May 06 2013,02:57) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,19:32) Quote (jammin @ May 03 2013,10:58) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,12:16) Quote (jammin @ May 03 2013,04:26) Quote (kerwin @ May 03 2013,06:37) Quote (jammin @ May 02 2013,12:50) kerwin, you talk non sense.
you told me you can read in hebrew that God is talking to his angels in gen 1.26 but icant read those words from you in the hebrew bible
make your own bible
Jammin,I can read in Hebrew because I use a Hebrew to English dictionary. I do not claim to be fluent. Dictionaries are tools that I fin enhance my understanding. Of those that have more, more is expected.
LOLlet me post the hebrew of gen 1.26
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְעֹ֣וף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץlet me post the english bible
Genesis 1:26
And God said Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earthcan you read that?
there is no angels there. LOL
the hebrew word for angel is malach
מַלְאָךְmake your own bible.
Jammin,First pass rendition. A given of the site.
said god make man our image to our likeness rule the fish of the sea the birds of the sky the cattle all the earth every creeping creeps on the earth.
My usual action is to look at the Transliteration of certain words in order to understand them better.
As 2besee pointed out earlier “us” is not literally in Genesis 1:26.
you dont know hebrew.tsk tsk . you wasted my time boy.
make your own bible.
Jammin,I use aids to understand it. I use similar aids to understand some English.
Aids? Lol. Make your own boy
Jammin,I seek to find aids by the Spirit of God. I strive to aid others by he same Spirit.
only morons can accept your opinion.
you cant even read your imagination in the bible and you want people to believe you? oh comon boy.
LOLmake your own bible
Jammin,Thank you for the persecution. I am taught to rejoice when I suffer such.
Quote (jammin @ May 07 2013,19:42) now you are asking me how many almighty GODS do i have. my answer is a question also
im asking you, are you talking about the nature or person?
The God of me and Jesus is not a “nature”, jammin. He is a being – a person who has a heart, soul, and mind.He is the Almighty God of me and of my savior Jesus Christ. And He is one – not three.
Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2013,22:22) Mike, Thank you!
You're welcome, Kerwin. I found that information on a program that Pierre so graciously sent me in the mail a while back.
So what does it mean for your understanding of Gen 1:26? To me, it makes sense that God was talking to His divine counsel of angels, as He later did a few other times in scripture. (Those scriptures are listed on that site you linked – and in the NETNotes info I posted.)
Does this seem sensible to you?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2013,05:18) Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2013,22:22) Mike, Thank you!
You're welcome, Kerwin. I found that information on a program that Pierre so graciously sent me in the mail a while back.So what does it mean for your understanding of Gen 1:26? To me, it makes sense that God was talking to His divine counsel of angels, as He later did a few other times in scripture. (Those scriptures are listed on that site you linked – and in the NETNotes info I posted.)
Does this seem sensible to you?
Mike,His angels were present though all they seemed to be were cheerleaders. So I am certain the words were for them to hear. I have previously dismissed the Trinitarian claim. The Jews have teachings from the time of Jesus and it is likely one or more of them is correct.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2013,10:15) Quote (jammin @ May 07 2013,19:42) now you are asking me how many almighty GODS do i have. my answer is a question also
im asking you, are you talking about the nature or person?
The God of me and Jesus is not a “nature”, jammin. He is a being – a person who has a heart, soul, and mind.He is the Almighty God of me and of my savior Jesus Christ. And He is one – not three.
you dont understandf what you are saying.
i said this to you many times but you dont want to analyze itill repeat
you and your father are both HUMAN.
do you understand that?human is your nature.
do you know that or you want to go back to school?
maybe you need review LOLthe father and the son are both God
their nature is Godnature God.
phil 2.6
Philippians 2:6New International Version (NIV)
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;sorry boy but there is a verse and im not giving you a footnote LOL
Quote (jammin @ May 09 2013,14:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2013,10:15) Quote (jammin @ May 07 2013,19:42) now you are asking me how many almighty GODS do i have. my answer is a question also
im asking you, are you talking about the nature or person?
The God of me and Jesus is not a “nature”, jammin. He is a being – a person who has a heart, soul, and mind.He is the Almighty God of me and of my savior Jesus Christ. And He is one – not three.
you dont understandf what you are saying.
i said this to you many times but you dont want to analyze itill repeat
you and your father are both HUMAN.
do you understand that?human is your nature.
do you know that or you want to go back to school?
maybe you need review LOLthe father and the son are both God
their nature is Godnature God.
phil 2.6
Philippians 2:6New International Version (NIV)
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;sorry boy but there is a verse and im not giving you a footnote LOL
Jammin,Those words do not express the idea of the Trinity. The Trinity tenet is an irrational idea and therefore cannot be accepted by reason. Though Paul reasoned about the gospel you cannot reason about the Trinity.
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