Spirit nature

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To all,

The flesh nature bears sin as its fruits while the Spirit nature bears Righteous as its fruits. The flesh nature is human nature and the Spirit nature is Divine nature. These are the natures that are important.

April 23, 2013 at 1:46 pm#342696

GeneBalthrop

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To All………there are all kinds of Spirits and they produce their own natures in us, If it is the Spirit of and Adversary (ha-satan) it will produce his nature in you, if it is a unclean spirit it will produce that nature in you also, if it is the Holy (set aside) Spirit of the Loving God “IT” will produce that Nature in you also. Changing a person for God is simply a matter of exchanging Spirits in us , therefore he say I (God) will take out of them the stony heart and give them a heart of flesh (soft heart) and I (God) will write my law on their “INWARD” Parts and I shall be their “God” and they shall be my People. The words of God written in scripture, Jesus said were Spirit and life Notice he said both Spirit “AND” Life, not just Spirit, but Life also , why? because because Spirits in you can drive the life you live in your body. So it is a matter of what Spirit you are allowing to work in you, If it is God the Fathers Holy Spirit it will produce a life of that type of Spirit and you will walk as Jesus walked, if it is the Spirit of Adversary (ha-satan) you are obeying you will do what that spirit is imputing into you mind. Life is what Spirits are, They produce their own type and kind of Life .

We are said to be “washed ” by the Word of GOD and remember those words “ARE” Spirit according to Jesus. As we learn to live by those Words we are becoming more and more like Him and becoming more separated from the pulls of the Flesh and this world, and more conformed to the Words and Kingdom of God . When we except the words of God into our lives and learn to live by them we are growing up unto the “FULLNESS ” of stature and measure of Christ Jesus . If we seek , ask, knock, it will be opened unto us all, because it says whosoever calls on the name of the LORD ” WILL” be saved We all have more going for us then against us, because of who God the Father is IMO.

peace and love to you all………………………………………gene

April 23, 2013 at 11:06 pm#342708

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Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,23:32)

To all,

you are a hard headed kerwin

April 24, 2013 at 1:41 am#342719

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Quote (jammin @ April 22 2013,19:40)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2013,12:00)

I've offered my completely reasonable understanding of Genesis 1:26. I've supported my understanding with the words of 25 TRINITARIAN scholars.

If you DON'T believe God was talking to His heavenly counsel of angels in 1:26, then offer a DIFFERENT alternative and let's discuss it.

could you pls give me the website of that NEW NET BIBLE

Here you go.

jammin, why don't you answer my question? Who do YOU think our ONE God was talking to in Gen 1:26?

I don't understand how someone can ridicule my understanding, but then refuse to even offer their own understanding up for discussion.

April 24, 2013 at 1:43 am#342720

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Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,06:32)

To all,

The flesh nature bears sin as its fruits while the Spirit nature bears Righteous as its fruits.

And who has “spirit nature”, Kerwin? God? Jesus? Satan?

April 24, 2013 at 2:21 am#342732

terraricca

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Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,18:32)

To all,

Kerwin

how come spirits like angels are sinner as well ,not limited to the flesh

April 24, 2013 at 5:02 am#342748

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2013,12:41)

Quote (jammin @ April 22 2013,19:40)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2013,12:00)

I've offered my completely reasonable understanding of Genesis 1:26. I've supported my understanding with the words of 25 TRINITARIAN scholars.

If you DON'T believe God was talking to His heavenly counsel of angels in 1:26, then offer a DIFFERENT alternative and let's discuss it.

could you pls give me the website of that NEW NET BIBLE

Here you go.

jammin, why don't you answer my question? Who do YOU think our ONE God was talking to in Gen 1:26?

I don't understand how someone can ridicule my understanding, but then refuse to even offer their own understanding up for discussion.

ok.
here is what the net says

1 sn The plural form of the verb has been the subject of much discussion through the years, and not surprisingly several suggestions have been put forward.

that is the upper part of your pasted notes.

it says there that the plural verb has been the subject of much discussions through the yrs
and not surprisingly several suggestions have been put forward.

that is just an opinion of others.
now let me tell why angels are not included in that verse gen 1.26

first it says there that LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE AFTER OUR LIKENESS…

NO VERSE that says angels have the image and likeness of God. BUT if you insists, you may give me a version in gen 1.26 that says angels have the image and likeness of God. ill give you 100 yrs to find one.

second,
Christ is the exact likeness of God's being

heb 1.3
His Son is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of God's being.

therefore in gen 1.26, God is not talking to his angles but to the being with the same image and likeness.

if i say LET us remove this table, does it make sense if you are not helping me to remove the table?
that is why i said LET US bec i want you to help me to remove the table.
do you get it?

in gen 1.26 the verse is talking to the being who can also create and this creator have the same image and likeness of God.

do you get it?

the Word God in verse 26 of gen 1 is singular but the form is plural.
the word “”US”” refers to God.

this refers to the father, son, HS . these three have the same nature, God.

do you understand boy?

April 24, 2013 at 2:54 pm#342805

GeneBalthrop

Participant

Jammin……….There are “SEVEN SPIRITS” with “POWERS” of GOD or that compose “ONE GOD”, These are What Makes up “ONE GOD” That is who Yahweh was talking to. It was those “SEVEN” DISTINCT ” SPIRITS” “INTELLECTS” which makeup the MIND and “COUNCIL” of the “ONE” GOD> It was these “SEVEN” Spirits he (Yahweh) or LORD our GOD was communicating with in the creation of Man in their image. The reason it says “OUR” image is because all seven of these Spirits can exist in man . Therefore Man is an Image (mirror) of God, but he himself is never a GOD Just a (IMAGE) of Him brought about by those spirits> IMO

Proof text…… Rev:5 ………..> seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which “ARE” the seven “SPIRITS OF GOD”

Rev 5:6…..> and i beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns (powers) and seven eyes , which “ARE” the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD, sent forth into all the earth.

These “SEVEN”spirits are SEVEN types and kinds of (intellects) that exist “in” all the earth, in all of Gods creative works which he accomplishes through these “SEVEN” Spirits (intellects) IMO

God has so blessed us that we can experience LIFE Just as He does and relate with it and enjoy it and come to appreciate it, Just as he does, all brought about by those “SEVEN” distinct Spirits (intellects) given to us so we can perceive life as God does. How wonderfully is that boy?

peace and love to you and yours jammin……………………………………………..gene

April 24, 2013 at 4:02 pm#342814

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Quote (terraricca @ April 24 2013,08:21)

Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,18:32)

To all,

Kerwin

how come spirits like angels are sinner as well ,not limited to the flesh

The natives of heaven can have the nature of God or of the Beast. Human nature is of the Beast.

An interpretation of Galatians 5:19-21

Now the fruits of the Beast nature are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like.

An interpretation of Galatians 5:12-23

But the fruit of the Spirit nature is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

April 24, 2013 at 4:10 pm#342815

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2013,07:43)

Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,06:32)

To all,

The flesh nature bears sin as its fruits while the Spirit nature bears Righteous as its fruits.

And who has “spirit nature”, Kerwin? God? Jesus? Satan?

Mike,

That is self evident if you understand what was taught to the Galatians in chapter 5 verses 16-26 and you know the gratified natures of those you ask about.

April 24, 2013 at 4:11 pm#342816

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Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,05:06)

Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,23:32)

To all,

you are a hard headed kerwin

Jammin,

Thank you!

April 24, 2013 at 7:40 pm#342834

terraricca

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Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2013,22:02)

Quote (terraricca @ April 24 2013,08:21)

Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,18:32)

To all,

Kerwin

how come spirits like angels are sinner as well ,not limited to the flesh

The natives of heaven can have the nature of God or of the Beast. Human nature is of the Beast.

An interpretation of Galatians 5:19-21

An interpretation of Galatians 5:12-23

But the fruit of the Spirit nature is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

kERWIN

there are no beast ;there is only with GOD and against GOD,

all those allegories are all the same and sum's up always into those two branches ,

sins is possible for all beings heavenly and eartly,

the NATURE in which we want to proper is up to us ;either with GOD ALMIGHTY or against GOD ALMIGHTY,

the first choice bring us life the other one dead,

so your reasoning is not correct or true

April 24, 2013 at 10:39 pm#342858

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 25 2013,01:54)

Proof text…… Rev:5 ………..> seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which “ARE” the seven “SPIRITS OF GOD”

peace and love to you and yours jammin……………………………………………..gene

what are you talking about?
LOL

i dont need your opinion gene.
if you want your illusion to be supported by the bible then you must give me version that says in gen 1.26 that GOd is talking to the seven spirits.

ill give you 200yrs to find one

April 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm#342862

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Why does Gene get twice as many years as I do? That doesn't seem fair. :laugh:

April 25, 2013 at 12:25 am#342865

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Quote (jammin @ April 23 2013,23:02)

NO VERSE that says angels have the image and likeness of God.

I don't think there is a verse in scripture that specifically says that, but it seems quite obvious to me. Let me ask you a couple of questions, and see if you can answer them honestly. (I don't even care if you answer them honestly TO US, ON THIS SITE, as long as you answer them honestly to yourself………… and then think about it.)

1. Does it make sense to you that man, who was created a little LOWER than the angels, would be created in the image of our heavenly Father; but the spirit sons of God, who are HIGHER than us (and came before us), would NOT be created in the image of their Father? It doesn't to me.

2. Jesus says that in the resurrection, we will be like the angels. We will receive glorious, new, spirit bodies like Jesus and those of heaven have right now. (Phil 3, 1 Cor 15) Do you suppose that means we will STOP having the image of our Creator when we become like the angels?

3. Angels are often described as looking like men in scriptures. Do you suppose they normally have an image UNLIKE their heavenly Father, but then take on an image LIKE their heavenly Father only when on earth? Does that make sense?

4. God's spirit sons have much more in common with their Father than we have in common with Him. In whose image did God create His spirit sons, if not His own?

5. And finally, Jesus IS one of those angels of God.

Quote (jammin @ April 23 2013,23:02)

second, Christ is the exact likeness of God's being

Heb 1:3 says Jesus is the exact representation of God's being. First, that proves that God IS a “being”, not a “nature”. And secondly, it proves that Jesus is NOT “God”. Because “God” cannot possibly be “the exact likeness of God”. In order for one to be the “representation”, or “likeness” of someone, he must be someone OTHER THAN that “someone”.

Quote (jammin @ April 23 2013,23:02)

therefore in gen 1.26, God is not talking to his angles but to the being with the same image and likeness.

I'm happy to see that you are using the word “being” as it is meant, jammin. I knew that you understood what I was saying in the other thread. And I also knew that just couldn't bring yourself to ADMIT that you understood what I was saying. After all, you have a comically flawed man-made doctrine to protect, right?

You called Jesus “the being with the same image and likeness”. I assume you mean the same image and likeness that “God” has. So if Jesus is a being who has the same image God Himself has, it proves that Jesus is a being OTHER THAN “God”, right?

Human beings have the image and likeness of our God, right? And that is surely enough to prohibit any one of us from BEING that God, right? So why would it be different for Jesus? Why do Trinitarians so often bend the rules of common sense for their doctrine, jammin?

Quote (jammin @ April 23 2013,23:02)

if i say LET us remove this table, does it make sense if you are not helping me to remove the table?
that is why i said LET US bec i want you to help me to remove the table.
do you get it?

Well, I get that you are talking about TWO different, individual beings, one of whom is going to help the other. I wouldn't think you were talking to another person inside yourself, as if you were a schizophrenic.

jammin, I seriously don't know how exactly Jesus “helped” God create all things. I know that he was the craftsman at God's side when GOD created. I know that all things in heaven and earth came FROM God and THROUGH Jesus. But I simply don't know exactly what Jesus did to “help”. The scriptures don't say for sure, so we are all left in the dark about it.

What I know is that scripture says the Father alone created all things, and that He did that THROUGH His firstborn Son, Jesus Christ. I really can't say anything beyond that.

Quote (jammin @ April 23 2013,23:02)

the Word God in verse 26 of gen 1 is singular but the form is plural.
the word “”US”” refers to God.

this refers to the father, son, HS . these three have the same nature, God.

So God said to HIMSELF, “Let US create man in OUR image”, and then HE (not “they”) created man in HIS (not “their”) image? Which one made the statement, jammin? The Father? The Son? The HS? And how do you know?

Anyway………. so you're saying that the “image” of God (the image WE were created in) consists of three persons in one being? How many of US are three individual persons, each having their own mind and will, dwelling within one being? Yet we were created in the image of God, right? So WHY AREN'T we all three persons in one being like Him? (And how does the word “Him”, that I just used, even work – since there are three of THEM?)

Also consider that Jesus is the “exact representation” of God. So if God is “three persons in one being”, then JESUS HIMSELF must also be “three persons in one being”.

Think back to your table moving analogy. Do you know of any time in the history of the world that a person said, “Let US remove this table”, and they were only talking to themselves? I don't.

April 25, 2013 at 1:07 am#342871

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Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2013,01:40)

Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2013,22:02)

Quote (terraricca @ April 24 2013,08:21)

Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,18:32)

To all,

Kerwin

how come spirits like angels are sinner as well ,not limited to the flesh

The natives of heaven can have the nature of God or of the Beast. Human nature is of the Beast.

An interpretation of Galatians 5:19-21

An interpretation of Galatians 5:12-23

But the fruit of the Spirit nature is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

kERWIN

there are no beast ;there is only with GOD and against GOD,

all those allegories are all the same and sum's up always into those two branches ,

sins is possible for all beings heavenly and eartly,

the NATURE in which we want to proper is up to us ;either with GOD ALMIGHTY or against GOD ALMIGHTY,

the first choice bring us life the other one dead,

so your reasoning is not correct or true

I have no idea what I wrote you are disagreeing with except perhaps for my use of an allegory as a device to impart knowledge.

April 25, 2013 at 2:18 am#342886

terraricca

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Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,07:07)

Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2013,01:40)

Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2013,22:02)

Quote (terraricca @ April 24 2013,08:21)

Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2013,18:32)

To all,

Kerwin

how come spirits like angels are sinner as well ,not limited to the flesh

The natives of heaven can have the nature of God or of the Beast. Human nature is of the Beast.

An interpretation of Galatians 5:19-21

An interpretation of Galatians 5:12-23

But the fruit of the Spirit nature is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

kERWIN

there are no beast ;there is only with GOD and against GOD,

all those allegories are all the same and sum's up always into those two branches ,

sins is possible for all beings heavenly and eartly,

the NATURE in which we want to proper is up to us ;either with GOD ALMIGHTY or against GOD ALMIGHTY,

the first choice bring us life the other one dead,

so your reasoning is not correct or true

I have no idea what I wrote you are disagreeing with except perhaps for my use of an allegory as a device to impart knowledge.

Kerwin

about this one ;

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The natives of heaven can have the nature of God or of the Beast. Human nature is of the Beast.

April 25, 2013 at 3:25 am#342892

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2013,11:25)

Quote (jammin @ April 23 2013,23:02)

NO VERSE that says angels have the image and likeness of God.

4. God's spirit sons have much more in common with their Father than we have in common with Him. In whose image did God create His spirit sons, if not His own?

5. And finally, Jesus IS one of those angels of God.

Quote (jammin @ April 23 2013,23:02)

second, Christ is the exact likeness of God's being

Quote (jammin @ April 23 2013,23:02)

therefore in gen 1.26, God is not talking to his angles but to the being with the same image and likeness.

Quote (jammin @ April 23 2013,23:02)

if i say LET us remove this table, does it make sense if you are not helping me to remove the table?
that is why i said LET US bec i want you to help me to remove the table.
do you get it?

What I know is that scripture says the Father alone created all things, and that He did that THROUGH His firstborn Son, Jesus Christ. I really can't say anything beyond that.

Quote (jammin @ April 23 2013,23:02)

the Word God in verse 26 of gen 1 is singular but the form is plural.
the word “”US”” refers to God.

this refers to the father, son, HS . these three have the same nature, God.

Also consider that Jesus is the “exact representation” of God. So if God is “three persons in one being”, then JESUS HIMSELF must also be “three persons in one being”.

Think back to your table moving analogy. Do you know of any time in the history of the world that a person said, “Let US remove this table”, and they were only talking to themselves? I don't.

mike ,,
you talk too much but you did not give me any verse for your imagination,

ill repeat,

give me ANY version that says in gen 1.26 that God is talking to his angels.
ill give YOU 1000yrs to find one boy LOL

YOU ARE ASKING FOR MORE YEARS RIGHT? LOL

second,

i told you before that it depends on how you use the word BEING.
do you know how to understand english boy?

i think you should drink vitamin for your brain. this is serious mate. you should take vitamins.

third,
you dont understand heb 1.3

and this makes me laugh so loud LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

YOU NEED TO STUDY HARD BOY BEFORE TALKING TO ME!
SERIOUSLY MATE, GO BACK TO SCHOOL LOL LOL LOL

ok here is what heb 1.3 said in other version

Hebrews 1
Mounce Reverse-Interlinear New Testament (MOUNCE)
3 This Son is the radiance of his glory and the exact representation of his nature,

DO YOU SEE THAT?????

IT SAYS THERE THE EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS NATURE!

SORRY BOY BUT THIS MAKES ME LAUGH SO LOUD LOL LOL LOL LOL

THAT IS A VERY SIMPLE ENGLISH WORD AND YOU CANT UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF BEING?

I TOLD IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU USE THAT WORD.
I THINK YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO SCHOOL

April 25, 2013 at 5:25 am#342908