Spirit nature

[jammin]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 24 2013,01:37)

Jammin………No i am not saying Thomas was a Liar, Thomas Just came to understand the the Father who is GOD was truly “IN” Jesus , So God presence was there and so was the Man Jesus the  lord. GET IT?, ONE BODY With TWO SPIRITS BEING “IN” IT > know you not that your “BODY” is the Temple of the Living GOD Paul plainly told us, and that is also true with Jesus' Body, “IT” also had the Living God “IN” IT (the body of Jesus) Who God considered a Temple, or don't you remember < God spoke directly through Jesus' mouth and said Destroy this temple (body) and in three days I (GOD) shall raise  (IT) the body of Jesus UP> That was God the Father speaking first person through Jesus' mouth> Jammin you have lots to learn boy,  a good start would be for you to dump all that Trinitarian Garbage. you have been taught and start fresh anew brother. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………..gene

thomas did not say in john 20.28 to JESUS THAT GOD WAS IN YOU.

make your own bible boy LOL

[jammin]

gene,

thomas did not say to JESUS in john 20.28 GOD WAS IN YOU.

make your own bible LOL

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ May 22 2013,11:11)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2013,10:43) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,17:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 22 2013,01:09) If Jesus is God , why did he say, ” I am going to You Father and My Father , YOUR GOD ” AND” MY GOD”. Seems your GOD Jesus has a GOD. there is nothing if Christ says that the father is his GOD. christ did not say im not GOD. No jammin, Christ never said the words, “I am not God”.  But neither did Michael, Gabriel, Samuel, David, Satan, or anyone else in the entire scriptures.   Are all those people “God” just because they never explicitly said, “I am not God”?  Of course not.  So don't you think the fact that Jesus never said he was NOT God is a poor “proof” that Jesus IS God?  I do. And although I don't agree with Gene on a lot of things, I agree that the scripture he paraphrased in the quote box above really says it all.  But it's not just the fact that Jesus HAS a God of his own.  What is telling is that the God OF Jesus is the same exact God of US.  So unless the God OF Jesus is some triune being made up of a father, son, and spirit, then the God of US isn't a triune being made up of father, son, and spirit.  Why?  Because you and I and Gene and Jesus ALL have the same exact God. jammin, how can you know this scriptural fact, straight from the mouth of your own Lord, and still believe in the trinity?   It baffles me how you can know this, and still believe. michael, gabriel etc. what are you talking about boy? LOL those characters are not GOD. we know that bec the bible said that. michael is an angel gabriel is an angel satan is a devil daivd is a man. are you out of your mind> LOL but Christ is GOD and LORD> thomas said that john 20.28 john said that jn 1.1 paul said that phil 2.6 study hard

Jamin

still stuck on two verses of the scriptures ;and denying 2000 others ?

humm,hummm,

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,09:41)

gene, thomas did not say to JESUS in john 20.28 GOD WAS IN YOU. make your own bible LOL

Jammin………Thomas didn't have to, Jesus was telling him all along , he just came to understand it. “the son of man ( Jesus), can do nothing of himself , the Father “IN” him “HE” does the works. and again, if you do not believe the father is “in” me , then believe in the miracles.

Jammin I believe I can list six or seven scriptures where Jesus said the Father was “IN” him. If you like I will look them up and list each one for you . But will you then believe what I and Jesus are saying? I am not doing this to put you down brother , but so you might come to see the truth and be deified by it.

Peace and love to you and your Jammin……………………….gene

[jammin]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 24 2013,13:51)

Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,09:41) gene, thomas did not say to JESUS in john 20.28 GOD WAS IN YOU. make your own bible LOL Jammin………Thomas didn't have to, Jesus was telling him all along , he just came to understand it. “the son of man ( Jesus), can do nothing of himself , the Father “IN” him “HE” does the works. and again, if you do not believe the father is “in” me , then believe in the miracles. Jammin I believe I can list six or seven scriptures where Jesus said the Father was “IN” him. If you like I will look them up and list each one for you . But will you then believe what I and Jesus are saying? I am not doing this to put you down brother , but so you might come to see the truth and be deified by it. Peace and love to you and your Jammin……………………….gene

john 14.10
New International Version (©2011)
Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

this is true. but you are not saying the whole truth

you deny that JESUS IS LORD AND GOD.

thomas said that
john 20.28
thomas said to jesus, MY LORD AND MY GOD.

make your own bible boy

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ May 24 2013,12:25)

Quote (jammin @ May 22 2013,11:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2013,10:43) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,17:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 22 2013,01:09) If Jesus is God , why did he say, ” I am going to You Father and My Father , YOUR GOD ” AND” MY GOD”. Seems your GOD Jesus has a GOD. there is nothing if Christ says that the father is his GOD. christ did not say im not GOD. No jammin, Christ never said the words, “I am not God”.  But neither did Michael, Gabriel, Samuel, David, Satan, or anyone else in the entire scriptures.   Are all those people “God” just because they never explicitly said, “I am not God”?  Of course not.  So don't you think the fact that Jesus never said he was NOT God is a poor “proof” that Jesus IS God?  I do. And although I don't agree with Gene on a lot of things, I agree that the scripture he paraphrased in the quote box above really says it all.  But it's not just the fact that Jesus HAS a God of his own.  What is telling is that the God OF Jesus is the same exact God of US.  So unless the God OF Jesus is some triune being made up of a father, son, and spirit, then the God of US isn't a triune being made up of father, son, and spirit.  Why?  Because you and I and Gene and Jesus ALL have the same exact God. jammin, how can you know this scriptural fact, straight from the mouth of your own Lord, and still believe in the trinity?   It baffles me how you can know this, and still believe. michael, gabriel etc. what are you talking about boy? LOL those characters are not GOD. we know that bec the bible said that. michael is an angel gabriel is an angel satan is a devil daivd is a man. are you out of your mind> LOL but Christ is GOD and LORD> thomas said that john 20.28 john said that jn 1.1 paul said that phil 2.6 study hard Jamin still stuck on two verses of the scriptures ;and denying 2000 others ? humm,hummm,

im not denying other verses.
what are you talking about?

you deny these three verses.

you do not believe what thomas said to jesus. he is LORD AND GOD

you do not believe that john said the WORD was GOD

you do not believe PAUL SAID HE WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD.

make your own

[terraricca]

Jamin

Quote

you deny these three verses. 1) you do not believe what thomas said to jesus. he is LORD AND GOD 2) you do not believe that john said the WORD was GOD 3)you do not believe PAUL SAID HE WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD.

# 1) why is it that of all the apostle only Thomas would have recognized what you claim is so true

2) why would the word be God if he his with God

3) the fact that Christ was ,his the first born over all creation MAKE HIM THE ONLY SPIRIT BEING CREATED OR BORN OR BRING FORTH BY GOD ALMIGHTY HIS FATHER AND GOD,AND SO HIS OF THE NATURE /FORM OF GOD AND YES CHRIST is a god but
NOT GOD THE FATHER

[jammin]

t,

paul did not say Christ was created.
he said he is the firstborn of all creation. that is figuratively.
it does not mean that Christ was created by his father.

=it means supremacy over all creation.
no version that says in col 1.15 created. it only exists in your imagination.

this is what the bible says
Colossians 1:15
New Living Translation (NLT)
Christ Is Supreme

15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,[a]

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ May 24 2013,15:06)

Jamin Quote you deny these three verses. 1) you do not believe what thomas said to jesus. he is LORD AND GOD 2) you do not believe that john said the WORD was GOD 3)you do not believe PAUL SAID HE WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD. # 1) why is it that of all the apostle only Thomas would have recognized what you claim is so true    2) why would the word be God if he his with God    3) the fact that Christ was ,his the first born over all creation MAKE HIM THE ONLY SPIRIT BEING CREATED OR BORN OR BRING FORTH BY GOD ALMIGHTY HIS FATHER AND GOD,AND SO HIS OF THE NATURE /FORM OF GOD AND YES CHRIST is a god but NOT GOD THE FATHER

you said why would the WORD be GOD.

the bible said that
John 1:1
New Living Translation (NLT)
Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word

1 In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

do you see that?
the WORD WAS GOD

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,13:13)

Quote (terraricca @ May 24 2013,15:06) Jamin Quote you deny these three verses. 1) you do not believe what thomas said to jesus. he is LORD AND GOD 2) you do not believe that john said the WORD was GOD 3)you do not believe PAUL SAID HE WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD. # 1) why is it that of all the apostle only Thomas would have recognized what you claim is so true    2) why would the word be God if he his with God    3) the fact that Christ was ,his the first born over all creation MAKE HIM THE ONLY SPIRIT BEING CREATED OR BORN OR BRING FORTH BY GOD ALMIGHTY HIS FATHER AND GOD,AND SO HIS OF THE NATURE /FORM OF GOD AND YES CHRIST is a god but NOT GOD THE FATHER you said why would the WORD be GOD. the bible said that John 1:1 New Living Translation (NLT) Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word 1 In the beginning the Word already existed.    The Word was with God,    and the Word was God. do you see that? the WORD WAS GOD

jAMIN

sorry but you did not answer my questions,

and here is one more ;

why is the son of God an IMAGE AND NOT THE REAL THING

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,09:41)

gene, Thomas did not say to JESUS in john 20.28 GOD WAS IN YOU. make your own bible LIL

Jammin……….He did not Say “MY LORD GOD” either, He said My lord “AND” my God. God was “IN” Jesus but that never made the Man Jesus a God of any kind. Tell us this Jammin.

If Jesus was GOD why would he say Father was “IN” Him that would make no sense now would it, he would have said He was GOD the Father Himself, where is that written in scriptures. Saying you are a son of God is far from saying you are a GOD.

You problem Jammin is, you don't understand what a Spirit IS. As a result you make metaphysical assumptions. Here is one for you to chew on.

Acts 2:22…> You men of Israel, hear these word; Jesus of Nazareth, “A MAN” approved of GOD among you by Miracles and wonders and signs, which (now notice jammin) GOD DID “BY” HIM, in the midst of you as you yourselves know; (23) Him (the man Jesus) being delivered by the determinate council and for knowledge of GOD, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain; (24) whom (now notice again Jammin) GOD has raised up……> Now who Raised the MAN JESUS UP, was it the MAN JESUS or GOD the FATHER who RAISED UP, the MAN JESUS.

I see no where there where it says a God Jesus, raised up a God Jesus, do you?, GOD cannot die boy. And if God were to die who would bring him back to life Boy?

Trust me Jammin, you have bought into nothing but Lies of false Trinitarian teachers, and unless you turn away form it you will suffer the same fate they will. Rejection from the SON OF MAN Jesus Christ, when HE returns. If you have made Jesus your God, you are an IDOLATER rather you realize it or not Boy.

Jesus had a GOd and it was not himself boy.

peace and lvoe to you and yours……………………………gene

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,04:40)

thomas did not say in john 20.28 to JESUS THAT GOD WAS IN YOU. make your own bible boy LOL

Jammin,

Thomas did not say “You are my Lord and my God”.

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,09:25)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 24 2013,13:51) Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,09:41) gene, thomas did not say to JESUS in john 20.28 GOD WAS IN YOU. make your own bible LOL Jammin………Thomas didn't have to, Jesus was telling him all along , he just came to understand it. “the son of man ( Jesus), can do nothing of himself , the Father “IN” him “HE” does the works. and again, if you do not believe the father is “in” me , then believe in the miracles. Jammin I believe I can list six or seven scriptures where Jesus said the Father was “IN” him. If you like I will look them up and list each one for you . But will you then believe what I and Jesus are saying? I am not doing this to put you down brother , but so you might come to see the truth and be deified by it. Peace and love to you and your Jammin……………………….gene john 14.10 New International Version (©2011) Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. this is true. but you are not saying the whole truth you deny that JESUS IS LORD AND GOD. thomas said that john 20.28 thomas said to jesus, MY LORD AND MY GOD. make your own bible boy

Jammin,

You seem to have trouble finding a version of the bible that satisfies all your chosen doctrine, perhaps you should make your own.

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ May 25 2013,05:22)

Quote (kerwin @ May 25 2013,05:15) Jammin, Thomas did not say “You are my Lord and my God”. Jammin, You seem to have trouble finding a version of the bible that satisfies all your chosen doctrine, perhaps you should make your own.

HA Ha ha ha ha!  You sure got that right Kerwin!

Your brother    
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,23:11)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2013,10:43) Christ never said the words, “I am not God”.  But neither did Michael, Gabriel, Samuel, David, Satan, or anyone else in the entire scriptures.   Are all those people “God” just because they never explicitly said, “I am not God”?  Of course not. michael, gabriel etc. those characters are not GOD. we know that bec the bible said that. michael is an angel gabriel is an angel

But you believe Jesus is the “angel of the LORD” who went before the Israelites in a pillar of cloud and fire, right?

So if you believe Michael and Gabriel are not God BECAUSE they are angels……. and you believe Jesus is also an angel, there must be some wires getting crossed somewhere.

jammin, I agree with the premise of your argument, ie: if they are angels OF God, then they can't actually BE God.

I just don't understand why you change the rules when it comes to that angel of God named Jesus.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 22 2013,08:00)

There is no scripture that call the Man Jesus himself a God of any kind………..

Yes there are. You just refuse to believe those scriptures.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,01:11)

paul did not say Christ was created. he said he is the firstborn of all creation. that is figuratively. it does not mean that Christ was created by his father. =it means supremacy over all creation.

If firstborn means “supremacy over all creation”, then is the Father also “the firstborn of every creature”? YES or NO?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 24 2013,09:19)

Your problem is, you don't understand what a Spirit IS.

If I had a nickel for every time Gene posted those words on this site, I'd be rich!

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,07:00)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 24 2013,09:19) Your problem is, you don't understand what a Spirit IS. If I had a nickel for every time Gene posted those words on this site, I'd be rich!

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike ………Well then tell us what a SPIRIT “IS” if you Know, or perhapse you could get you Co-hart Pierre to give you some tips and between the both of you you could come up with something >

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