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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 12 2010,17:02) T8………..Martian has taken a lot of abuse here from Many. He has posted some very clear and good posts trying to expose the false teachings of Preexistence and other things. And I have also noticed when your monitors use excessive language and accusations of other they sure do not get tiles for it do they? These monitors only wind up running people of the site Respect is a two way strrt they need to respect us also. IMO peace and love………………………………..gene
Gene! Show me where Martian has been abused by many? I have never seen that at all. Why do you think He has 2 tiles, while others have none? I really don't even understand that remark you just made. He is the one that has been nasty …..As far as the false teaching is, maybe you need to study God's Word more…… Especially about the preexisting of Jesus…. All you do is ignore Scriptures given…… Respect? It has to be earned….IreneQuote (shimmer @ Oct. 12 2010,20:22) I think firstly, the moderators need to show a better example. Secondly, use the powers of being moderators properly…I dont know if im allowed to quote another forum… but heres an example of one I go to,
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shimmer, whatever Forum you go to, they are right to delete a nasty post, however how can others see what they do? And they would keep up doing it. When you see those tiles you know that that tells us what wrong He or She has done. I for one do not post to a person that is that nasty….. You are very humble and loving, but God also wants us to use common sense to help those who are abused by some. Most members here are nice and for that I am thankful, and like it here. I also like a good debate with Scriptures that make sense and not personal attacks….God is Love and in Love we should encourage each other….
Peace and love IreneQuote (martian @ Oct. 10 2010,09:01) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 10 2010,04:48) Quote (martian @ Oct. 10 2010,04:03) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2010,09:16) Quote (martian @ Oct. 09 2010,05:42) What's it take to get kicked off of here. You moderators would be doing me a service to do so. Kick me off and block me from getting back on.
Come on get your monkeys to work and kick me off. Come on you idiots. Do it. I dare you.
Fix it so I will never be able to give into the temptation to do this sin any more.
Come on you monkey ministry.
Hi Martian,Matt.15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth
come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
You plan on leading beginner Christians?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And God destroyed thousands in bloody conflict for the greater good. I am trying to get the moderators to block me from getting on here. Every time I get on here it is a sin, yet I feel an unnatural (possibly demonic) drawing to continue in these vain pursuits. The antagonistic atmosphere and the casting pearls before the swine doctrinalists like Mike is a sin to me.
There is nothing but religion and death in these forums and I want life. the forums serve no purpose any more then taking drugs yet they are just as addictive.
I beg the moderators to cut off the supply of forum drug to me. I want it no more.
HI Martian,I suggest you stop sinning.
Ask the “HolySpirit” to help you in this endeavor.
Life comes from (within) the “HolySpirit”! I will pray for you as well!
Father: take the scales away from Martians eyes that he may see “The Truth” of your word!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Do you actually believe that you are in any place to give advise or council or that I would be so foolish as to take that advise from the likes of you? Has your special form of numerology really whacked you out that much? I am so over all of you miscreants and numb skulls.
Hi Martian,Why would you not accept those who choose
(out of their Free Will) to pray for you?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Baker @ Oct. 13 2010,03:42) shimmer,Oct. wrote:I think firstly, the moderators need to show a better example.
Secondly, use the powers of being moderators properly…I dont know if im allowed to quote another forum… but heres an example of one I go to,
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Any user who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to contact us immediately by email or PM. By becoming a member of this forum, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, invasive of a person's privacy, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violate of any laws. You will conduct yourself in a manner that is respectful of the rights, dignity and privacy of others.We reserve the right to delete any message or thread, to ban a screen name, IP address, domain name, or email address for any reason we feel is deserved.
Posts may be edited for content or deleted at the sole discretion of the moderators/administrators of this message board. We reserve the right to remove any posts without notice to the author or those who have replied.
Be gracious to other posters. No insults, flaming, name calling or personal attacks, etc.
Hurtful sarcasm or negative comments against a person will not be tolerated.
Let's build each other up in Jesus name, sharing, guiding, gently admonishing when necessary, rebuking if needed but all in love and all in the name of Jesus. [unquote]
shimmer, whatever Forum you go to, they are right to delete a nasty post, however how can others see what they do? And they would keep up doing it. When you see those tiles you know that that tells us what wrong He or She has done. I for one do not post to a person that is that nasty….. You are very humble and loving, but God also wants us to use common sense to help those who are abused by some. Most members here are nice and for that I am thankful, and like it here. I also like a good debate with Scriptures that make sense and not personal attacks….God is Love and in Love we should encourage each other….
Peace and love Irene
I agree Irene, we should all be able to come here and learn and share and build each other up, we all have weaknesses. My weakness is I dont know much scripture like many here and am learning, so i'm often 'scared' when I post in case I get something wrong and look stupid compared to everyone else. But we should understand each others weaknesses and help each other, a good person to be around is someone you can just be yourself, even if you make mistakes, say what you think, say what you think you know…even if its wrong !And if anything gets personal, and people start having grudges or saying hurtfull things, that should be stopped straight away, theres no need for that it's just not right. Everyone should feel welcome.
Quote (Baker @ Oct. 13 2010,02:21) He said to tell you that He agrees with you, that I am a tough old bird. We are going to be married 50 years in January…..
Hi Irene,Thanks for the post and the forgiveness.
50 years?!? Wow! What a milestone! What a testament to the love you and Georg must share for each other. You folks must have took “the two shall become one flesh” to heart!
Congratulations to you both.
peace and love,
mikeThanks Gene and JA,
Gene, I love the spirit in your posts, you have a good spirit, even if people may disagree with some of your beliefs,
Mike Boll,
I would say a cat was made in the form of a cat in their mother’s reproduction system and exists in that likeness until after death. The same is true of a human being.
Philippians 2:7-8 does not contradict this as no age of growth is mentioned for Jesus being “made in human likeness” and “being found in appearance as a man”.
Hi Kerwin,
Very good! Something that already IS a cat cannot be made in the likeness OF a cat.
Now, before we get into our personal understandings of what message Paul was trying to convey in Phil 2, just one more DIRECT question.
Can someone who already IS a human being be made in the likeness of a human being?
Will you please give me a DIRECT answer?
peace and love,
mikeshimmer, thanks for your reply, what else can I say. Those who are nice, are always nice. We don't have to many Brethren here that are nasty like Martian has been. And I hope and pray for Him. That is about the only thing we can do for Him….. And hope He will see how wrong He has been….with love Irene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2010,11:01) Quote (Baker @ Oct. 13 2010,02:21) He said to tell you that He agrees with you, that I am a tough old bird. We are going to be married 50 years in January…..
Hi Irene,Thanks for the post and the forgiveness.
50 years?!? Wow! What a milestone! What a testament to the love you and Georg must share for each other. You folks must have took “the two shall become one flesh” to heart!
Congratulations to you both.
peace and love,
mike
Mike! Thank you for your good wishes. I think the older you get the more you love the person that you took as your partner. When you young it is the looks that attract you to a person. And when you go through trials you become stronger. Also in our generation we would not even think to get a divorce. Unless one is abusive that is something else….Always make up and say Oh, I am so sorry…no matter who is wrong…. Show good fruits……Peace and Love IreneHi Irene,
Great advice. Maybe someday I will get the chance to practice it.
For right now, I'm enjoying my single life. I think a girlfriend would take time away from my 9 year old son and from studying scriptures, so I'm in no hurry. mike
Mike Boll,
I already voiced opinion that you cannot be the image of what you already are but this is what scripture states.
About the physical likeness scripture states:
Genesis 5:3(NIV) reads:
Quote When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth
Romans 8:3(NIV) reads:
Quote For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,
1 Corinthians 15:49(NIV) reads:
Quote And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
Philippians 2:7-8(NIV) reads:
Quote but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!Hebrews 2:17(NIV) reads:
Quote For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
The next speak of a different kind of likeness/nature which I believe is spiritual.
James 3:9(NIV) reads:
Quote With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness.
Romans 8:20(NIV) reads:
Quote For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Philippians 2:6(NIV) reads:
Quote Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,The one exception relates to the following scripture.
Isaiah 52:14(NIV) reads:
Just as there were many who were appalled at him — his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness—
Such a marring can sometimes be remedied by plastic surgery.
I was speaking about the physical so what I wrote previously is correct except if applied to those who have been severely marred for one reason or another.
Hi Kerwin,
Does that mean your answer is “No, someone who is already a human being CANNOT be made in the likeness of a human being”? I'm not sure of your answer yet.
Please answer my DIRECT question DIRECTLY so we can move on.
peace and love,
mikeMark Boll,
My opinion is that if you are already human like you cannot be made in that same likeness in the same way. If you are marred you can be remade into human likeness and if your spirit is unlike a human's it can be made into one bearing a human likeness. That is the most directly I can answer your question while covering all the bases I can think of.
Mike……………..Look at it again and what does it say………..”but made himself nothing, taking on the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness” this scripture is telling us Jesus humbled himself like a Servant who was in human likeness. Another word Just like a HUMAN SERVANT Jesus took on that role in Life , read the whole context of Paul's Point and it should not be hard for you to understand what Paul was talking about. Your changing what Paul was talking about to some Magical transformation of Jesus' existence. You can't just try to grab one little thing and construct a doctrine over that, especially if it is out of context.
Face it Mike you are wrong on this. IMO
peace and love…………………………..gene
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 13 2010,15:04) Mark Boll, My opinion is that if you are already human like you cannot be made in that same likeness in the same way. If you are marred you can be remade into human likeness and if your spirit is unlike a human's it can be made into one bearing a human likeness. That is the most directly I can answer your question while covering all the bases I can think of.
Hi Kerwin,5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the form of a servant,
being made in human likeness.So, if the words “being in the form of God” did NOT refer to Jesus being “marred beyond recognition as a man”, then the fact that he was “made in human likeness” after emptying himself does NOT mean he had reconstructive surgery to look like a human again, right?
Here's the bottom line Kerwin: If Jesus already was a human being while “being in the form of God”, he could not be said to have “emptied himself” and been “made in human likeness”.
And I think you agree that someone who already IS in human likeness cannot be said to be “made in human likeness”, right? And since the scripture definitely says Jesus was “made in human likeness” AFTER being in the “form of God”, then “form of God” must NOT be referring to a time when Jesus was flesh.
Maybe you could stop “covering your bases” and thinking of this as a chess game in which you must be three moves ahead at all times.
Maybe you could just answer directly…….without a speech on what Paul may have been trying to convey. We can do that later if you wish, but right now I am just looking for an honest straightforward answer to how Jesus could have been “made in human likeness” in verse 7 if he already WAS in “human likeness” in verse 6.peace and love,
mikeQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 13 2010,23:59) Mike……………..Look at it again and what does it say………..”but made himself nothing, taking on the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness” this scripture is telling us Jesus humbled himself like a Servant who was in human likeness.
Hi Gene,So your stand is: Jesus took on the nature of a servant who was in the process of being made in human likeness?
You say, “Face it Mike, you're wrong”, but you haven't even attempted to answer the most simple questions I've asked of you.
Look at the illogical way you try to understand the words just so you can keep your doctrine in the face of opposing scriptures.
I know you are a good man with a kind heart Gene, but I can't understand how you come up with some of your understandings of scripture.
You believe I distance myself from Christ by believing he was with God before the creation of the world – although many scriptures say it in many different ways. You think Jesus MUST be exactly like us in order for us to follow his teachings. What about God? Do you think God also must be exactly like us in order for us to follow His teachings?
I like you Gene…….I just don't understand many of your doctrines or how you came to believe them from the same scriptures I read.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 13 2010,23:59) Mike……………..Look at it again and what does it say………..”but made himself nothing, taking on the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness” this scripture is telling us Jesus humbled himself like a Servant who was in human likeness. Another word Just like a HUMAN SERVANT Jesus took on that role in Life , read the whole context of Paul's Point and it should not be hard for you to understand what Paul was talking about. Your changing what Paul was talking about to some Magical transformation of Jesus' existence. You can't just try to grab one little thing and construct a doctrine over that, especially if it is out of context. Face it Mike you are wrong on this. IMO
peace and love…………………………..gene
Hi Gene,What's the alternative?
If someone doesn't choose (out of their Free Will) to be a servant, they are not human?
EDJ……….Ther is not such thing as a WILL that Is FREE Working (IN) a Person. You confusiong LIBERTY to excercise Our captivated WILL with us having a “FREE WILL (IN) US. Simple think about it.
peace and love,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 16 2010,01:51) EDJ……….Ther is not such thing as a WILL that Is FREE Working (IN) a Person. You confusiong LIBERTY to excercise Our captivated WILL with us having a “FREE WILL (IN) US. Simple think about it. peace and love,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,gene
Hi Gene,NO; you're confusing 'influence' as having a canceling factor over our “Free Will”!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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