Should a muslim be able to post in believers area?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,15:28)

Hi ED, When did Jesus deliver the ten commandments to the gentiles?

Thanks, Nick

Better to come from you, maybe he'll answer you without insult especially since he called himself your intercessor

[bodhitharta]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 19 2009,16:24)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 18 2009,15:34) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 19 2009,03:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,22:45) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 18 2009,13:52) BD, you can do what you want with the Quran, in the appropriate place. This area is for the bible and those who believe it's message. Especially who Jesus is. You may have noticed that we even have atheists here. They cannot post here, but there is a place where interaction takes place. I do not agree with the Trinity, but even Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the messiah and son of God. They have just added a further doctrine, that he is God too. I disagree with that, but that doesn't discount one as a believer. This place is for those who believe that Jesus is the messiah and son of God who died for the sins of humanity and rose again to be seated at the right hand of God. I know that the Quaran does not agree with this. Personally speaking, if you had not quoted the Quran, then I might not have bothered about creating this discussion. I would have the same reservations if a Mormon came here quoting the Book of Mormon. Not because I am threatened by the Book of Mormon and not that I am threatened by the Quran either, but that both are not appropriate here. Neither is any discussion regarding the triple personage of God which is THE FIRST and GRATEST COMMANDMENT Jesus said there were two great commandments and yet you allow the first and most important to be trampled upon. Neither of these commandments that Jesus gaveare being violated by what I speak about but the first and most important one is violated when talking about the trinity. you are clearly in the wrong. BD Are you just hard headed or hard at hearing! Trinitarians believe the basic tenants of the faith which are… 1. Jesus is the Only Son of God 2. Jesus died for our sins by shedding his blood 3. Jesus was buried 4. Jesus rose from the dead three days later 5. The Bible is the inspired word of God You do not believe any of those things, but only push the Muslim religion over the scriptures and Christianity! You can do that if you like in other threads but t8 is saying that you can not do that in the believers threads that are discussing the Bible and Christianity! We are discussing the Bible and do not need or want to have the Koran plastering the pages! Why should this be a problem for you since threads are limited to particular subjects anyway? I suppose it could be that not many will care to discuss the Koran here on a Biblical sight! WJ Is Jesus God? Do you worship Jesus as God? BD Is your Father human? WJ

Is Jesus my Father?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
You do not need to be so alone and so insecure.
Covered with the robe of righteousness of the Son of God you can approach God's throne in prayer.
But you must be born again of water and the Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
How odd it is that insecure men seek harsh rules and regulations covering every aspect of their lives.
Then they can tick the boxes in the deluded belief that it improves their relationship with the Creator.
Faith rather makes essential the awareness of our total vulnerability and dependance.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,07:07)

Hi BD, You do not need to be so alone and so insecure. Covered with the robe of righteousness of the Son of God you can approach God's throne in prayer. But you must be born again of water and the Spirit.

Jesus said that I can go to God direct because The Father loves me Himself.

You still don't believe in recociliation does Jesus need to come again with you lacking faith?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,07:29)

Hi, How odd it is that insecure men seek harsh rules and regulations covering every aspect of their lives. Then they can tick the boxes in the deluded belief that it improves their relationship with the Creator. Faith rather makes essential the awareness of our total vulnerability and dependance.

What harsh rules? You are the one playing gatekeeper denying the very ones who LOVE and WORSHIP God, that is the true harshness of what you believe, calling believers in God "unbelievers" that is harsh and certainly not the teachings of Christ Jesus.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
He certainly said that to his brothers.
But you left the team.
Why?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,09:35)

Hi BD, He certainly said that to his brothers. But you left the team. Why?

Are you on the team of those who are not respectors of persons?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
All are invited but some taste and move on.
Why?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,10:44)

Hi BD, All are invited but some taste and move on. Why?

Why did you move on instead of dig in? Why didn't you do through the door?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Did I?

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,09:26)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,07:07) Hi BD, You do not need to be so alone and so insecure. Covered with the robe of righteousness of the Son of God you can approach God's throne in prayer. But you must be born again of water and the Spirit. Jesus said that I can go to God direct because The Father loves me Himself. You still don't believe in recociliation does Jesus need to come again with you lacking faith?

Hi BD:

Jesus did say that we can come to God our Father, but that is after we are a part of the body of Christ.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Everlasting father Jesus]

Personally I learned from the one muslim that i know posted here, is there many now or just the one?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 20 2009,11:35)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,09:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,07:07) Hi BD, You do not need to be so alone and so insecure. Covered with the robe of righteousness of the Son of God you can approach God's throne in prayer. But you must be born again of water and the Spirit. Jesus said that I can go to God direct because The Father loves me Himself. You still don't believe in recociliation does Jesus need to come again with you lacking faith? Hi BD: Jesus did say that we can come to God our Father, but that is after we are a part of the body of Christ. Love in Christ, Marty

Where did he say that? In-fact Jesus in his ministry spoke always about speaking to God direct even teaching us to pray directly "Our Father" do you dispute this? Jesus told us not to have anxiety for God loves us so what are you talking about?

Jesus said that God will forgive us if we forgive others, he didn't say if we forgive others in the name of Jesus he said just to forgive.

Jesus spoke to publicans and sinners and ate and drank with them and told them to turn to God without worrying about the burdens that men put in their way,

Jesus said for those who understand "I will not pray to the father for you" because the Father loves you himself.

He will mediate for those who have little to no faith but faith needs no intercessor or mediator.

That's why Jesus was so upset with his disciples when he sent them out to heal and to help and they could not do what he asked because thyey lacked faith so he had to do it but he called that wicked.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Faith or unwise presumption?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,12:58)

Hi BD, Faith or unwise presumption?

Jesus said Faith, what do you say?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,11:54)

In-fact Jesus in his ministry spoke always about speaking to God direct even teaching us to pray directly "Our Father" do you dispute this? Jesus said that God will forgive us if we forgive others, he didn't say if we forgive others in the name of Jesus he said just to forgive.

Hi BD,

You say you have a closeness to God; yet you reject the Gospel. The Gospel is the death burial and Resurrection of Jesus.

Eph.2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. (Heb.9:22)
Eph.2:18 For through him(Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit(Holy Spirit) unto the Father.

You reject the Gospel and Jesus' Father(Holy Spirit); yet you say you have a closeness to Him. (Luke 12:10)

1Cor.15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

If Christ is not Resurrected; then your religion is in vain.
How can you not possibly see the folly in your position?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:13)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,11:54) In-fact Jesus in his ministry spoke always about speaking to God direct even teaching us to pray directly "Our Father" do you dispute this? Jesus said that God will forgive us if we forgive others, he didn't say if we forgive others in the name of Jesus he said just to forgive. Hi BD, You say you have a closeness to God; yet you reject the Gospel. The Gospel is the death burial and Resurrection of Jesus. Eph.2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. (Heb.9:22) Eph.2:18 For through him(Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit(Holy Spirit) unto the Father. You reject the Gospel and Jesus' Father(Holy Spirit); yet you say you have a closeness to Him. (Luke 12:10) 1Cor.15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. If Christ is not Resurrected; then your religion is in vain. How can you not possibly see the folly in your position?

There are two Gospels in the NT one is what Jesus preached which is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God the other is The Gospel of Jesus Christ which Paul teaches.

First of all Jesus tells us to Believe in God and worship Him in spirit and truth, Paul says put our trust in Jesus who was the Son of Man.

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
Jeremiah 17:4-6

To believe Paul's Gospel you must believe that Jesus was cursed

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3:12-14

Paul then tells you that anyone calling Christ accursed is not of God

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 12:2-4

Which Gospel do you believe in?

[Proclaimer]

Hi bodhitharta.

Lets be real. Your view is against the Christ. You do not believe that Jesus is the son of God if you believe what is written in the Koran. You must also by reason of this side with the High Priest and against the Christ in the following encounter.

Matthew 26:63-65
63 But Jesus remained silent.
     The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God."

64 "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy.

You also disagree with Mark
1:1 The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

You disagree with Paul

Acts 9:20
Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God.

Romans 1:4
and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

Even the demons acknowledge that he is the son of God.

Mark 5:7
He shouted at the top of his voice, "What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won't torture me!"

A centurion also acknowledges the truth

Mark 15:39
And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, heard his cry and saw how he died, he said, "Surely this man was the Son of God!"

Now back to Jesus who you seem to have a problem with.

John 11:4
When he heard this, Jesus said, "This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God's glory so that God's Son may be glorified through it."

And so it is bodhitharta that you have not overcome the world.

1 John 5:5
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

Let's stop the pretending. You are not a believer in Jesus the Christ. You do not agree with his words and you do not believe the words of his disciples.

Be honest. Be real. That is what these forums are about.

Even the atheists here are honest about their beliefs.

Again, in case you have any doubt that Jesus is the son of God:

John 10:36-37
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? 37 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,11:54)

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 20 2009,11:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,09:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,07:07) Hi BD, You do not need to be so alone and so insecure. Covered with the robe of righteousness of the Son of God you can approach God's throne in prayer. But you must be born again of water and the Spirit. Jesus said that I can go to God direct because The Father loves me Himself. You still don't believe in recociliation does Jesus need to come again with you lacking faith? Hi BD: Jesus did say that we can come to God our Father, but that is after we are a part of the body of Christ. Love in Christ, Marty Where did he say that? In-fact Jesus in his ministry spoke always about speaking to God direct even teaching us to pray directly "Our Father" do you dispute this? Jesus told us not to have anxiety for God loves us so what are you talking about? Jesus said that God will forgive us if we forgive others, he didn't say if we forgive others in the name of Jesus he said just to forgive. Jesus spoke to publicans and sinners and ate and drank with them and told them to turn to God without worrying about the burdens that men put in their way, Jesus said for those who understand "I will not pray to the father for you" because the Father loves you himself. He will mediate for those who have little to no faith but faith needs no intercessor or mediator. That's why Jesus was so upset with his disciples when he sent them out to heal and to help and they could not do what he asked because thyey lacked faith so he had to do it but he called that wicked.

Hi BD:

You close with the statement that Jesus was upset with his disciples, and so, can you not see that he was not just speaking to just anyone, but to his disciples.

You are not his disciple unless you are part of the body of Christ.

He said:

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Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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1Jo 5:8   And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.   1Jo 5:9   If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.   1Jo 5:10   He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.   1Jo 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.   1Jo 5:12   He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

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Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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