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This is very sad indeed when men decide who are "Believers" The fact is I will not be posting in a NONbelivers section as I would be lying if I said I didn't know God so effectively you will simply be banning me. Very Sad indeed. The funny thing is you call a Pure MONOTHEIST a non-believer while you accept others who multiply the Sovereign nature of God Himself calling him triune. So it seems to me you have made Jesus Christ GREATER than GOD ALMIGHTY although Jesus himself will disagree with you.
I don't know if you have created the new section yet but at its creation and your enforcement of me having to post only there that will be when we part ways, I wonder why Jesus even spoke to the Pharisees or Saducees at all, why even speak to people who don't agree with EVERYTHING you believe just find a way to eliminate them(sounds familiar) I agree with TK
T8.net.nz should be the name
Remember after much ado in Job, God said Job was right
Love and Blessings of YHWH be upon you.
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 17 2009,06:04) As soon as someone takes it upon themselves to know the truth and protect others from error, then free choice, free will, and freedom of speech are out the window. This site should now be T8.net.nz! Very sad! TK
TimIf he wanted to call it t8.net.nz he would have that right wouldn't he? Those who come here have the privilage of using this sight for all kinds of discussions. They also do not have to stay if they don't like the rules or the discussions!
Why do you fault t8 to do as he wishes on his sight? He has at least put it up for vote to the majority! He doesn't even have to do that.
If he wanted to he could make the sight nothing but Christians and eliminate anyone who does not confess that Jesus is the Son of God!
But he has allowed different parts of this sight for atheist or whatever.
Whats wrong with having a section for Christians that want to discuss the scriptures without the interruptions of those who are not Christians?
Should a local church let satan worshippers come and take over a service that seeks to worship God?
So would you just go against what the majority here votes for and say that it is wrong? That is your opinion and you do have that right.
In fact I am sure that is how you voted.
Thank you t8 for considering the thoughts and feelings of all here and giving the majority a chance to voice their opinions by a vote!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 18 2009,08:32) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 17 2009,06:04) As soon as someone takes it upon themselves to know the truth and protect others from error, then free choice, free will, and freedom of speech are out the window. This site should now be T8.net.nz! Very sad! TK
TimIf he wanted to call it t8.net.nz he would have that right wouldn't he? Those who come here have the privilage of using this sight for all kinds of discussions. They also do not have to stay if they don't like the rules or the discussions!
Why do you fault t8 to do as he wishes on his sight? He has at least put it up for vote to the majority! He doesn't even have to do that.
If he wanted to he could make the sight nothing but Christians and eliminate anyone who does not confess that Jesus is the Son of God!
But he has allowed different parts of this sight for atheist or whatever.
Whats wrong with having a section for Christians that want to discuss the scriptures without the interruptions of those who are not Christians?
Should a local church let satan worshippers come and and take over a service that seeks to worship God?
So would you just go against what the majority here votes for and say that it is wrong? That is your opinion and you do have that right.
In fact I am sure that is how you voted.
Thank you t8 for considering the thoughts and feelings of all here and giving the majority a chance to voice their opinions by a vote!
WJ
How did you vote if I may ask?Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 18 2009,06:23) This is very sad indeed when men decide who are "Believers" The fact is I will not be posting in a NONbelivers section as I would be lying if I said I didn't know God so effectively you will simply be banning me. Very Sad indeed. The funny thing is you call a Pure MONOTHEIST a non-believer while you accept others who multiply the Sovereign nature of God Himself calling him triune. So it seems to me you have made Jesus Christ GREATER than GOD ALMIGHTY although Jesus himself will disagree with you. I don't know if you have created the new section yet but at its creation and your enforcement of me having to post only there that will be when we part ways, I wonder why Jesus even spoke to the Pharisees or Saducees at all, why even speak to people who don't agree with EVERYTHING you believe just find a way to eliminate them(sounds familiar) I agree with TK
T8.net.nz should be the name
Remember after much ado in Job, God said Job was right
Love and Blessings of YHWH be upon you.
BDTo believe the “Gospel” is what it means to be “a Christian”; that is…
The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus(God’s Son); which you say “God” does not have.I, however still believe you can still be converted to the living GOD; because I can explain “The Truth” in a way that you can understand it (Romans 12:2).
In Jerusalem sits 'the dome of the rock' with the inscription on it saying 'Allah has NO Son';
Either you believe in “Our Father” or 'one' that has no children. (Matt.24:15)To “blasphemy against” the Holy Spirit(Jesus’ Father); is to reject HIM(Holy Spirit), from being your POLYTHIEST GOD!
When you say God has no son. That is what “blasphemy against” the “Holy Spirit” means.“YHVH is GOD”=117
“GOD The Father” is the “Holy Spirit” without the ‘one=34’ that you call sovereign.
117=151-34 (Psalm 82:6)“The Bible” and ‘the Quran’ don’t agree with each other. (2Timothy 3:5)
Luke 14:33 “So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.”
You need to submit yourself to the teachings of the bible, and abandon the commandments and doctrines of men.Col.2:22 Which all are to perish with the using; after the commandments and doctrines of men.
It is said that Mohammad received information from ‘an angel’.2Cor.11:14-15 And no marvel; for SATAN HIMSELF is transformed into ‘an angel’ of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Rev.13 :10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.1John 3: 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 18 2009,06:23) This is very sad indeed when men decide who are "Believers" The fact is I will not be posting in a NONbelivers section as I would be lying if I said I didn't know God so effectively you will simply be banning me. Very Sad indeed. The funny thing is you call a Pure MONOTHEIST a non-believer while you accept others who multiply the Sovereign nature of God Himself calling him triune. So it seems to me you have made Jesus Christ GREATER than GOD ALMIGHTY although Jesus himself will disagree with you. I don't know if you have created the new section yet but at its creation and your enforcement of me having to post only there that will be when we part ways, I wonder why Jesus even spoke to the Pharisees or Saducees at all, why even speak to people who don't agree with EVERYTHING you believe just find a way to eliminate them(sounds familiar) I agree with TK
T8.net.nz should be the name
Remember after much ado in Job, God said Job was right
Love and Blessings of YHWH be upon you.
Inasmuch as this site is operated by T8, it is entirely his prerogative as to how it is operated.Again I would like to raise the issue that if Bodhitharta can't count as a believer, I really don't see how I can.
It isn't something I intend to argue about at all, I welcome the same policy you apply to him to be applied to me. Whether or not I frequent the site is also my prerogative.
Quote (Douglas @ Nov. 17 2009,19:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 18 2009,06:23) This is very sad indeed when men decide who are "Believers" The fact is I will not be posting in a NONbelivers section as I would be lying if I said I didn't know God so effectively you will simply be banning me. Very Sad indeed. The funny thing is you call a Pure MONOTHEIST a non-believer while you accept others who multiply the Sovereign nature of God Himself calling him triune. So it seems to me you have made Jesus Christ GREATER than GOD ALMIGHTY although Jesus himself will disagree with you. I don't know if you have created the new section yet but at its creation and your enforcement of me having to post only there that will be when we part ways, I wonder why Jesus even spoke to the Pharisees or Saducees at all, why even speak to people who don't agree with EVERYTHING you believe just find a way to eliminate them(sounds familiar) I agree with TK
T8.net.nz should be the name
Remember after much ado in Job, God said Job was right
Love and Blessings of YHWH be upon you.
Inasmuch as this site is operated by T8, it is entirely his prerogative as to how it is operated.Again I would like to raise the issue that if Bodhitharta can't count as a believer, I really don't see how I can.
It isn't something I intend to argue about at all, I welcome the same policy you apply to him to be applied to me. Whether or not I frequent the site is also my prerogative.
DouglasDo you believe Jesus is the literal Son of God and that he died (offering the shedding of his blood for sins) and that he was buried and rose again according to 1 Cor 15:1-6?
If not then you are not a Biblical Christian for you do not believe in the doctrine of God!
WJ
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,18:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 18 2009,08:32) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 17 2009,06:04) As soon as someone takes it upon themselves to know the truth and protect others from error, then free choice, free will, and freedom of speech are out the window. This site should now be T8.net.nz! Very sad! TK
TimIf he wanted to call it t8.net.nz he would have that right wouldn't he? Those who come here have the privilage of using this sight for all kinds of discussions. They also do not have to stay if they don't like the rules or the discussions!
Why do you fault t8 to do as he wishes on his sight? He has at least put it up for vote to the majority! He doesn't even have to do that.
If he wanted to he could make the sight nothing but Christians and eliminate anyone who does not confess that Jesus is the Son of God!
But he has allowed different parts of this sight for atheist or whatever.
Whats wrong with having a section for Christians that want to discuss the scriptures without the interruptions of those who are not Christians?
Should a local church let satan worshippers come and and take over a service that seeks to worship God?
So would you just go against what the majority here votes for and say that it is wrong? That is your opinion and you do have that right.
In fact I am sure that is how you voted.
Thank you t8 for considering the thoughts and feelings of all here and giving the majority a chance to voice their opinions by a vote!
WJ
How did you vote if I may ask?
BDI think you know how I voted! According to the scriptures you are not a Christian and do not follow the doctrine of God.
You cannot be a mixed Muslim and Christian and be saved according to the scriptures IMO!
To be honest also, I gave up discussing with you because of the fact that you claim scriptures are corrupt and the Koran corrects them!
Who wants to waste their time discussing truth in the Bible with someone who doesn't believe the words written are true?
Its a waste of time and a distraction for believers that believe in the inherency of the scriptures and want to have a conversation or debate without the interruptions of someone plastering the threads with quotes from the Koran!
Sorry! But I do hope and pray that you will give up the "Islamic" religion and convert to the True Gospel of Jesus Christ!
WJ
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 17 2009,22:04) As soon as someone takes it upon themselves to know the truth and protect others from error, then free choice, free will, and freedom of speech are out the window. This site should now be T8.net.nz! Very sad! TK
I have to disagree with you TK.This site has always had a rule that people post to a discussion that is appropriate and related to the subject.
People do not always stick to this (including myself) but having forums in categories helps and having believers in the Believers Place has helped further.
No one is barred from posting, it is just about posting in the right place. This is what gives this forum value. People can find what they are looking for and read about a topic and see what people have to say. If a loose attitude was prevalent, then people would post what they wanted where they wanted and there would be less value in reading the discussion. When people see a Heading in a topic, then they can read that topic and get something relevant out of it. If you don't see value in what I am saying, then imagine going to Google and searching on God and getting a whole lot of random sites about topics such as real estate and soccer.
If I went to a Science Forum then I could see merit to a Scientist Only area. If they had a part for laymen like myself to post, then I would be thankful for that if I wanted to voice my opinion on something.
Nothing has changed on Heaven Net. The thing you complain about was enforced before you even came here.
As for T8.net.nz, well all I can say is that I am not the biggest poster around here and I don't think I am even second. I have been here the longest, but not the most. I am a member just like everyone else, but I have the job as a moderator too.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 17 2009,20:07) As for T8.net.nz, well al I can say is that I am not the biggest poster around here and I don't think I am even second. I have been here the longest, but not the most.
Wow, I just realized that I have posted more than you!But, I will never catch Nick!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 18 2009,12:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,18:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 18 2009,08:32) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 17 2009,06:04) As soon as someone takes it upon themselves to know the truth and protect others from error, then free choice, free will, and freedom of speech are out the window. This site should now be T8.net.nz! Very sad! TK
TimIf he wanted to call it t8.net.nz he would have that right wouldn't he? Those who come here have the privilage of using this sight for all kinds of discussions. They also do not have to stay if they don't like the rules or the discussions!
Why do you fault t8 to do as he wishes on his sight? He has at least put it up for vote to the majority! He doesn't even have to do that.
If he wanted to he could make the sight nothing but Christians and eliminate anyone who does not confess that Jesus is the Son of God!
But he has allowed different parts of this sight for atheist or whatever.
Whats wrong with having a section for Christians that want to discuss the scriptures without the interruptions of those who are not Christians?
Should a local church let satan worshippers come and and take over a service that seeks to worship God?
So would you just go against what the majority here votes for and say that it is wrong? That is your opinion and you do have that right.
In fact I am sure that is how you voted.
Thank you t8 for considering the thoughts and feelings of all here and giving the majority a chance to voice their opinions by a vote!
WJ
How did you vote if I may ask?
BDI think you know how I voted! According to the scriptures you are not a Christian and do not follow the doctrine of God.
You cannot be a mixed Muslim and Christian and be saved according to the scriptures IMO!
To be honest also, I gave up discussing with you because of the fact that you claim scriptures are corrupt and the Koran corrects them!
Who wants to waste their time discussing truth in the Bible with someone who doesn't believe the words written are true?
Its a waste of time and a distraction for believers that believe in the inherency of the scriptures and want to have a conversation or debate without the interruptions of someone plastering the threads with quotes from the Koran!
Sorry! But I do hope and pray that you will give up the "Islamic" religion and convert to the True Gospel of Jesus Christ!
WJ
You do not follow the doctrine of God whom you call JESUS.Do you not call Jesus "GOD"?
You are an NONBELIEVER that Jesus is only anointed by God.
You believe that God is triune you are a NONBELIEVER that GOD ALMIGHTY is ONE LORD
So if POLYTHEISM rules here then what can I do? I ONLY Believe in the GOD of Jesus the same God t8 said he believed in but when it comes down to it maybe his belief is closer to yours.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 18 2009,12:07) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 17 2009,22:04) As soon as someone takes it upon themselves to know the truth and protect others from error, then free choice, free will, and freedom of speech are out the window. This site should now be T8.net.nz! Very sad! TK
I have to disagree with you TK.This site has always had a rule that people post to a discussion that is appropriate and related to the subject.
People do not always stick to this (including myself) but having forums in categories helps and having believers in the Believers Place has helped further.
No one is barred from posting, it is just about posting in the right place. This is what gives this forum value. People can find what they are looking for and read about a topic and see what people have to say. If a loose attitude was prevalent, then people would post what they wanted where they wanted and there would be less value in reading the discussion. When people see a Heading in a topic, then they can read that topic and get something relevant out of it. If you don't see value in what I am saying, then imagine going to Google and searching on God and getting a whole lot of random sites about topics such as real estate and soccer.
If I went to a Science Forum then I could see merit to a Scientist Only area. If they had a part for laymen like myself to post, then I would be thankful for that if I wanted to voice my opinion on something.
Nothing has changed on Heaven Net. The thing you complain about was enforced before you even came here.
As for T8.net.nz, well all I can say is that I am not the biggest poster around here and I don't think I am even second. I have been here the longest, but not the most. I am a member just like everyone else, but I have the job as a moderator too.
Your example was not very good as I am not speaking something other than the topic at hand when I post. There is no other God so I am sad that you will not adhere to Pure Monotheism and are basically being prejudice to those who speak another language. The funny thing is you probably don't speak GERMAN but you keep saying "GOD" as if it is not just a GERMAN name for The Supreme Creator.When ALLAH is mentioned you simply lose it, how funny.
God did not tell you to censor me, I know that but you act out of what?
Consider the hypocrisy T8
You say you don't believe that Jesus is God and yet you prefer to take the advice of someone literally called WORSHIPING JESUS how Ironic WJ certainly has hope for you eventually believeing in the TRINITY, which you confer that if I accept it I would suddenly be a believer to you.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,21:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 18 2009,12:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,18:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 18 2009,08:32) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 17 2009,06:04) As soon as someone takes it upon themselves to know the truth and protect others from error, then free choice, free will, and freedom of speech are out the window. This site should now be T8.net.nz! Very sad! TK
TimIf he wanted to call it t8.net.nz he would have that right wouldn't he? Those who come here have the privilage of using this sight for all kinds of discussions. They also do not have to stay if they don't like the rules or the discussions!
Why do you fault t8 to do as he wishes on his sight? He has at least put it up for vote to the majority! He doesn't even have to do that.
If he wanted to he could make the sight nothing but Christians and eliminate anyone who does not confess that Jesus is the Son of God!
But he has allowed different parts of this sight for atheist or whatever.
Whats wrong with having a section for Christians that want to discuss the scriptures without the interruptions of those who are not Christians?
Should a local church let satan worshippers come and and take over a service that seeks to worship God?
So would you just go against what the majority here votes for and say that it is wrong? That is your opinion and you do have that right.
In fact I am sure that is how you voted.
Thank you t8 for considering the thoughts and feelings of all here and giving the majority a chance to voice their opinions by a vote!
WJ
How did you vote if I may ask?
BDI think you know how I voted! According to the scriptures you are not a Christian and do not follow the doctrine of God.
You cannot be a mixed Muslim and Christian and be saved according to the scriptures IMO!
To be honest also, I gave up discussing with you because of the fact that you claim scriptures are corrupt and the Koran corrects them!
Who wants to waste their time discussing truth in the Bible with someone who doesn't believe the words written are true?
Its a waste of time and a distraction for believers that believe in the inherency of the scriptures and want to have a conversation or debate without the interruptions of someone plastering the threads with quotes from the Koran!
Sorry! But I do hope and pray that you will give up the "Islamic" religion and convert to the True Gospel of Jesus Christ!
WJ
You do not follow the doctrine of God whom you call JESUS.Do you not call Jesus "GOD"?
You are an NONBELIEVER that Jesus is only anointed by God.
You believe that God is triune you are a NONBELIEVER that GOD ALMIGHTY is ONE LORD
So if POLYTHEISM rules here then what can I do? I ONLY Believe in the GOD of Jesus the same God t8 said he believed in but when it comes down to it maybe his belief is closer to yours.
BDFor your information I believe in One True God.
The scriptures call Jesus God!
I believe that Jesus is the Only (monogenes) Son of God.
I believe that Jesus died for my sins and was buried and rose again according to the scriptures!
The Nature of who God is has nothing to do with these tennats of the faith of which you do not believe!
WJ
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,21:12) Consider the hypocrisy T8 You say you don't believe that Jesus is God and yet you prefer to take the advice of someone literally called WORSHIPING JESUS how Ironic WJ certainly has hope for you eventually believeing in the TRINITY, which you confer that if I accept it I would suddenly be a believer to you.
BDFor your information t8 worships Jesus for the scriptures show men worshipping him!
t8 does not agree with the way I see Jesus in relation to his nature but that has nothig to do with believing Jesus is Divine and worthy of praise!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 18 2009,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,21:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 18 2009,12:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,18:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 18 2009,08:32) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 17 2009,06:04) As soon as someone takes it upon themselves to know the truth and protect others from error, then free choice, free will, and freedom of speech are out the window. This site should now be T8.net.nz! Very sad! TK
TimIf he wanted to call it t8.net.nz he would have that right wouldn't he? Those who come here have the privilage of using this sight for all kinds of discussions. They also do not have to stay if they don't like the rules or the discussions!
Why do you fault t8 to do as he wishes on his sight? He has at least put it up for vote to the majority! He doesn't even have to do that.
If he wanted to he could make the sight nothing but Christians and eliminate anyone who does not confess that Jesus is the Son of God!
But he has allowed different parts of this sight for atheist or whatever.
Whats wrong with having a section for Christians that want to discuss the scriptures without the interruptions of those who are not Christians?
Should a local church let satan worshippers come and and take over a service that seeks to worship God?
So would you just go against what the majority here votes for and say that it is wrong? That is your opinion and you do have that right.
In fact I am sure that is how you voted.
Thank you t8 for considering the thoughts and feelings of all here and giving the majority a chance to voice their opinions by a vote!
WJ
How did you vote if I may ask?
BDI think you know how I voted! According to the scriptures you are not a Christian and do not follow the doctrine of God.
You cannot be a mixed Muslim and Christian and be saved according to the scriptures IMO!
To be honest also, I gave up discussing with you because of the fact that you claim scriptures are corrupt and the Koran corrects them!
Who wants to waste their time discussing truth in the Bible with someone who doesn't believe the words written are true?
Its a waste of time and a distraction for believers that believe in the inherency of the scriptures and want to have a conversation or debate without the interruptions of someone plastering the threads with quotes from the Koran!
Sorry! But I do hope and pray that you will give up the "Islamic" religion and convert to the True Gospel of Jesus Christ!
WJ
You do not follow the doctrine of God whom you call JESUS.Do you not call Jesus "GOD"?
You are an NONBELIEVER that Jesus is only anointed by God.
You believe that God is triune you are a NONBELIEVER that GOD ALMIGHTY is ONE LORD
So if POLYTHEISM rules here then what can I do? I ONLY Believe in the GOD of Jesus the same God t8 said he believed in but when it comes down to it maybe his belief is closer to yours.
BDFor your information I believe in One True God.
The scriptures call Jesus God!
I believe that Jesus is the Only (monogenes) Son of God.
I believe that Jesus died for my sins and was buried and rose again according to the scriptures!
The Nature of who God is has nothing to do with these tennats of the faith of which you do not believe!
WJ
You believe that Jesus is GOD, You believe that the LORD GOD is not ONE LORDYou believe that God consists of 3 entities, 3 persons with 3 seperate wills. You do not believe in the SHEMA that the LORD GOD is ONE LORD(One PERSON)
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