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Hi BD,
You misunderstand-as usual.
The flesh of man belongs to earth and offers nothing permanently useful to God or man.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,05:20) Hi TK,
So men are essentially good and in no need of salvation and education will shake off the cobwebs that limit them?
Sounds very new age and blind to reality.
Hey Nick: We are created from God! Our lifesource is his breath/spirit! We have the nature of God! This is not new age this is from the beginning of time. The salvation we need is to not believe anything but that truth. We need to be saved if we have fallen away from that truth. Its when we believe the lies of our imperfection that we are in sin.
We are made perfect. We can only fall away from that perfection by believing lies! Bless you, TKHi TK,
We were made in the likeness of God.
God no longer recognises any kinship with men but they are under His wrath.[Jn3,8]You must be reborn from above to become an adopted son of God.
Hi BD,
Why don't you bring out all your popguns against Paul and fire them?
So far all your threats of exposing of this man of God as a fraud have proven to be utterly empty of substance.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,04:33) Hi TK,
We were made in the likeness of God.
God no longer recognises any kinship with men but they are under His wrath.[Jn3,8]You must be reborn from above to become an adopted son of God.
If God no longer recognizes kinship then why did Jesus the Master protector of the truth say:After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Matthew 6:8-10And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Luke 11:1-3Matthew 6
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.Why does Jesus disagree with you Jesus is clearly saying God recognizes kinship with men and this was BEFORE THE CROSS and WITHOUT BLOOD ATONEMENT
Now was Jesus saying this to a select few or those who confessed that he was the Christ or any special circumstance, NO NICK
Matthew 5
1And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:He was talking to the MULTITUDES
God Bless you , Nick, Submit to the TRUTH. TK was right
Hi BD,
He was talking to those of God who had obediently submitted to the cleansing baptism of John.
The pharisees and scribes did not do so and remained of their lying father.[Lk7.29-30. Jn8]Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,04:33) Hi TK,
We were made in the likeness of God.
God no longer recognises any kinship with men but they are under His wrath.[Jn3,8]You must be reborn from above to become an adopted son of God.
Nick: Making non-biblical statements like,"God no longer recognises any kinship with men but they are under his wrath" is how the entire religious world got so far from God. That was a man made statement with no support from the Bible. IMO, TKQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,06:37) Hi BD,
He was talking to those of God who had obediently submitted to the cleansing baptism of John.
The pharisees and scribes did not do so and remained of their lying father.[Lk7.29-30. Jn8]
No, he was teaching the multitudes but more than that you admit that they were of God and cleansed without the shedding of Blood.Now to T8,
When Jesus says that the devil was their father, what do you think that means? Does the devil actually through some sort of procreative act have children?
The fact is to say that someone is a Father or son in a spiritual sense is to show alliance and Love.
God is our Guardian he is not a Man or a Woman where He has a certain gender. God is our protector as expressed in Arabic as Wali and where you say Abba in Arabic the word is Rabb which is a larger sense of that word.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,08:23) Hi BD,
So you learned about God from the bible and now feel fit to judge it?
I actually read it and actually give scripture to back up what I am saying, it's okay if you disagree with some things because you may not understand them yet and vice versaQuote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 26 2009,09:30) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,04:33) Hi TK,
We were made in the likeness of God.
God no longer recognises any kinship with men but they are under His wrath.[Jn3,8]You must be reborn from above to become an adopted son of God.
Nick: Making non-biblical statements like,"God no longer recognises any kinship with men but they are under his wrath" is how the entire religious world got so far from God. That was a man made statement with no support from the Bible. IMO, TK
Right again, and Nick is so against Man made statements I'm sure he will quickly acknowledge his fault, right Nick?Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 26 2009,10:15) Now to T8, When Jesus says that the devil was their father, what do you think that means? Does the devil actually through some sort of procreative act have children?
The fact is to say that someone is a Father or son in a spiritual sense is to show alliance and Love.
God is our Guardian he is not a Man or a Woman where He has a certain gender. God is our protector as expressed in Arabic as Wali and where you say Abba in Arabic the word is Rabb which is a larger sense of that word.
What has this got to do with me?Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2009,14:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 26 2009,10:15) Now to T8, When Jesus says that the devil was their father, what do you think that means? Does the devil actually through some sort of procreative act have children?
The fact is to say that someone is a Father or son in a spiritual sense is to show alliance and Love.
God is our Guardian he is not a Man or a Woman where He has a certain gender. God is our protector as expressed in Arabic as Wali and where you say Abba in Arabic the word is Rabb which is a larger sense of that word.
What has this got to do with me?
Because you seem to believe that someone being called son is always literal.Bo,
Hi… think that you said once that all people are children of God. So what is the need for God to adopt us if we are already His children?Just wondering,
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2009,16:48) Bo,
Hi… think that you said once that all people are children of God. So what is the need for God to adopt us if we are already His children?Just wondering,
Kathi
Notice when the word adoption is used it is used towards the gentiles. You will never see that in reference to a Jew because they believed all of Israel is the Son of God but keep in mind Adam was called the Son of God and if he was the Child of God ALL MANKIND is the CHILD of God.You see words like "son" "adoption" "Father"…etc and view them as literal meanings but these are relative meanings.
God doesn't need to adopt what He already owns
Nice answer BD.
I thought Muslims were generally speaking were against the Jew?
They for example do not believe that the Jew should be in Israel.
Or is that just the fundamentalist?Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,19:24) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2009,16:48) Bo,
Hi… think that you said once that all people are children of God. So what is the need for God to adopt us if we are already His children?Just wondering,
Kathi
Notice when the word adoption is used it is used towards the gentiles. You will never see that in reference to a Jew because they believed all of Israel is the Son of God but keep in mind Adam was called the Son of God and if he was the Child of God ALL MANKIND is the CHILD of God.You see words like "son" "adoption" "Father"…etc and view them as literal meanings but these are relative meanings.
God doesn't need to adopt what He already owns
Yes we are children of God (the offspring of God). But we are separated from God by our fallen nature and some even take on the nature of the Devil himself.God offers us to partake of divine nature.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,16:11) Because you seem to believe that someone being called son is always literal.
Where have I said that.I have said that Jesus is the son of God and that he had glory with the Father before the world began.
It is a bit of a mystery as it written that we will be like him in the resurrection.
But we know that he had glory with the Father before the world began and that he claimed himself, "before Abraham, I am". He actually existed in the form of God and he came to earth and emptied himself and took on flesh and became like us.
He humbled himself to death and God raised him from the dead. His death satisfied the requirement of the law that the soul that sins will die. He died for us, so that we may live.
God loved us that much that he gave his ONLY begotten son for us, so that whoever shall believe upon him can have eternal life.
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