Seen christ means seen the father ?

[terraricca]

JN 6:46 “ Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.
JN 14:9 Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

WHO SHOULD WE …OR HOW COULD WE … UNDERSTAND THIS SCRIPTURES

[terraricca]

let brack the scripture in parts ;

1) Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.

2) Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip?

3) He who has seen Me has seen the Father

4) how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

so make it clear that none of us today can claim that they have seen Christ right yes

but Philip did see Christ ;in a physical manner being with him for a amount of years ;so; WHAT IS IT THAT PHILIP DID NOT SEE EVEN THOUGH HE WAS TRAVELING WITH CHRIST

OR WHAT WAS IT THAT PHILIP DID NOT COME TO KNOW ABOUT CHRIST (2) DURING THOSE MANY YEARS WITH HIM

[terraricca]

I have always found this little event ,fascinating and full of knowledge;and info ;

Mt 20:20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him.
Mt 20:21 “What is it you want?” he asked.
She said, “Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom.”
Mt 20:22 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?”
“We can,” they answered.
Mt 20:23 Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.”
Mt 20:24 When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers.
Mt 20:25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them.
Mt 20:26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
Mt 20:27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave—

verse 27 is one verse that sets a rule; a golden rule that is applied in heaven as well as on earth( but not to its fullest application,)

we know that Jesus Christ ;THE WORD of God came down to earth so SERVE ;AND AS BEEN BY ALL MEANS DECLARED THE FIRST IN ALL THINGS ;
BECAUSE OF HIS SACRIFICE TO SAVE ALL OTHERS AND YES HE BECAME OUR SLAVE ,AND BARE OUR SINS SO THAT WE MAY HAVE FREEDOM AND LIFE ;

IF WE LOOK AT cLO;1 ;15-21 ;WITH THIS IN MIND IT MAKES IT CLEAR WHO WAS FIRST AND WANTED TO STAY FIRST ,AND NOW IS FIRST IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH ;JESUS CHRIST “THE WORD ” OF GOD,

[terraricca]

what did Philip and the others see ,while with him

they saw every miracle that he did ,through the power of God his father ;

they also heard him speak THE WORDS THAT HIS FATHER TOLD HIM TO SAY ;

and all that during 3 years and more ;

SO WHAT CHRIST IS SAYING IS ALMOST LIKE ;PHILIP DO YOU THINK THAT IT WAS NOT MY FATHER THAT DID ALL THOSE THINGS

OR PHILIP ARE YOU DOUBTING THAT I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE MEANING I DO AND SAY WHATEVER MY FATHER SAYS OR ASK;

SO HOW CAN WE LEARN FROM THIS OF WHOM HIS THE FATHER

[terraricca]

except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.

this is true BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST HIS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER TO EARTH ;AND ON EARTH NO ONE AS EVER SEEN GOD ,NO MATTER WHO IT IS ,BECAUSE FLESH CAN NOT SEE THE SPIRITUAL (INVISIBLE) WORLD .

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 22 2013,10:46)

JN 14:9 Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? HOW COULD WE … UNDERSTAND THIS SCRIPTURES

John 14
44 However, Jesus cried out and said: “He that puts faith in me puts faith, not in me [only], but in him [also] that sent me; 45 and he that beholds me beholds [also] him that sent me.

He that truly sees Jesus also sees the One who sent him into the world. By believing in Jesus, we believe in his God who sent him. By seeing Jesus, we also are seeing his God who sent him.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,06:26)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 22 2013,10:46) JN 14:9 Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? HOW COULD WE … UNDERSTAND THIS SCRIPTURES John 14 44 However, Jesus cried out and said: “He that puts faith in me puts faith, not in me [only], but in him [also] that sent me; 45 and he that beholds me beholds [also] him that sent me. He that truly sees Jesus also sees the One who sent him into the world.  By believing in Jesus, we believe in his God who sent him.  By seeing Jesus, we also are seeing his God who sent him.

YES MIKE ,

very true ,but we can bringing one step further if you see him through the eyes of the heart,and the spirit of a true faith ,

love God with all your heart ,mind and soul ;now if you feed of Christ works you will see God ,

[GeneBalthrop]

To all……..GOD the Father was truly “iN” Jesus just as Jesus said he was. Jsus was obeying every word the father was imparting to him God the Father who is a spirit was in the temple Jesus' flesh and raised it on the third day just as he in IN first person said through the mouth of the MAM Jesus. He also said if they didn't breve his words , believe in the MIRACLES , because they all knew it was god the father doing those Miracles . BY those Miracles they could realize God the Father was with him and “IN” him.
 
So the Spirit of God,  could say through Jesus' mouth , Philip how long have I been with you! and you say show me the FATHER, If you have seen me “JESUS”, you have seen the father also. GOD the FATHER was TRULY “IN” JESUS BY THE CHRISTO'S he received at the Jordan River.

GOD is A spirit! he can not be physically seen by no man including Jesus, Jesus could only “DECLARE” Him to us . GOD reveals himself to all he chooses through the spirit he. Gives them. No one can see the father except through the minds eye because God is a Spirit, and NO one can see (A PHYSICAL SPIRIT) because no Physical spirit exists.  IMO

Peace and love to you all……………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2013,20:51)

To all……..GOD the Father was truly “iN” Jesus just as Jesus said he was. Jsus was obeying every word the father was imparting to him God the Father who is a spirit was in the temple Jesus' flesh and raised it on the third day just as he in IN first person said through the mouth of the MAM Jesus. He also said  if they didn't breve his words , believe in the MIRACLES  , because they all knew it was god the father doing those Miracles .  BY those Miracles they could realize God the Father was with him and “IN” him.   So the Spirit of God,  could say through Jesus' mouth , Philip how long have I been with you! and you say show me the FATHER, If you have seen me “JESUS”, you have seen the father also. GOD the FATHER was TRULY “IN” JESUS BY THE CHRISTO'S he received at the Jordan River. GOD is A spirit! he can not be physically seen by no man including Jesus, Jesus could only “DECLARE” Him to us . GOD reveals himself to all he chooses through the spirit he. Gives them. No one can see the father except through the minds eye because God is a Spirit, and NO one can see (A PHYSICAL SPIRIT) because no Physical spirit exists.  IMO Peace and love to you all……………………..gene

HOW COULD ANYONE BENEFIT OF GOD BEING IN CHRIST AND NOT WITH CHRIST ;ARE YOU TRY TO MAKE CHRIST HIS OWN FATHER

I NEVER HEARD THAT GOD HIS IN ANYONE ,

JN 5:42 but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves.

[terraricca]

THE ONLY WAY WE CAN SEE GOD IN CHRIST WOULD BE TO UNDERSTAND WHO CHRIST HIS ,AND UNDERSTAND WHERE HE CAME FROM ,WHAT WAS HIS REASON TO COME ,UNDERSTAND THE FULL PURPOSE OF GOD'S PLAN ,IF YOU LACK ANY OF THOSE UNDERSTANDING YOU WILL NEVER COME TO SEE OR UNDERSTAND EITHER OF THEM ;MEANS GOD OR HIS SON , ALL TRUTH ARE ALWAYS CONNECTED ,

[Proclaimer]

That scripture clearly shows us 2 things.
Jesus is not God.
Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the fullness of God's nature in bodily form.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 26 2013,04:10)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2013,20:51) To all……..GOD the Father was truly “iN” Jesus just as Jesus said he was. Jsus was obeying every word the father was imparting to him God the Father who is a spirit was in the temple Jesus' flesh and raised it on the third day just as he in IN first person said through the mouth of the MAM Jesus. He also said  if they didn't breve his words , believe in the MIRACLES  , because they all knew it was god the father doing those Miracles .  BY those Miracles they could realize God the Father was with him and “IN” him.   So the Spirit of God,  could say through Jesus' mouth , Philip how long have I been with you! and you say show me the FATHER, If you have seen me “JESUS”, you have seen the father also. GOD the FATHER was TRULY “IN” JESUS BY THE CHRISTO'S he received at the Jordan River. GOD is A spirit! he can not be physically seen by no man including Jesus, Jesus could only “DECLARE” Him to us . GOD reveals himself to all he chooses through the spirit he. Gives them. No one can see the father except through the minds eye because God is a Spirit, and NO one can see (A PHYSICAL SPIRIT) because no Physical spirit exists.  IMO Peace and love to you all……………………..gene HOW COULD ANYONE BENEFIT OF GOD BEING IN CHRIST AND NOT WITH CHRIST ;ARE YOU TRY TO MAKE CHRIST HIS OWN FATHER I NEVER HEARD THAT GOD HIS IN ANYONE , JN 5:42 but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves.

John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that *I AM IN MY FATHER*, *AND YE IN ME*, **AND I IN YOU**.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 26 2013,07:55)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 26 2013,04:10) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2013,20:51) To all……..GOD the Father was truly “iN” Jesus just as Jesus said he was. Jsus was obeying every word the father was imparting to him God the Father who is a spirit was in the temple Jesus' flesh and raised it on the third day just as he in IN first person said through the mouth of the MAM Jesus. He also said  if they didn't breve his words , believe in the MIRACLES  , because they all knew it was god the father doing those Miracles .  BY those Miracles they could realize God the Father was with him and “IN” him.   So the Spirit of God,  could say through Jesus' mouth , Philip how long have I been with you! and you say show me the FATHER, If you have seen me “JESUS”, you have seen the father also. GOD the FATHER was TRULY “IN” JESUS BY THE CHRISTO'S he received at the Jordan River. GOD is A spirit! he can not be physically seen by no man including Jesus, Jesus could only “DECLARE” Him to us . GOD reveals himself to all he chooses through the spirit he. Gives them. No one can see the father except through the minds eye because God is a Spirit, and NO one can see (A PHYSICAL SPIRIT) because no Physical spirit exists.  IMO Peace and love to you all……………………..gene HOW COULD ANYONE BENEFIT OF GOD BEING IN CHRIST AND NOT WITH CHRIST ;ARE YOU TRY TO MAKE CHRIST HIS OWN FATHER I NEVER HEARD THAT GOD HIS IN ANYONE , JN 5:42 but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves. John 14:20   At that day ye shall know that *I AM IN MY FATHER*, *AND YE IN ME*, **AND I IN YOU**. wakeup.

SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN

THREE IN ONE

STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 26 2013,12:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 26 2013,07:55) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 26 2013,04:10) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2013,20:51) To all……..GOD the Father was truly “iN” Jesus just as Jesus said he was. Jsus was obeying every word the father was imparting to him God the Father who is a spirit was in the temple Jesus' flesh and raised it on the third day just as he in IN first person said through the mouth of the MAM Jesus. He also said  if they didn't breve his words , believe in the MIRACLES  , because they all knew it was god the father doing those Miracles .  BY those Miracles they could realize God the Father was with him and “IN” him.   So the Spirit of God,  could say through Jesus' mouth , Philip how long have I been with you! and you say show me the FATHER, If you have seen me “JESUS”, you have seen the father also. GOD the FATHER was TRULY “IN” JESUS BY THE CHRISTO'S he received at the Jordan River. GOD is A spirit! he can not be physically seen by no man including Jesus, Jesus could only “DECLARE” Him to us . GOD reveals himself to all he chooses through the spirit he. Gives them. No one can see the father except through the minds eye because God is a Spirit, and NO one can see (A PHYSICAL SPIRIT) because no Physical spirit exists.  IMO Peace and love to you all……………………..gene HOW COULD ANYONE BENEFIT OF GOD BEING IN CHRIST AND NOT WITH CHRIST ;ARE YOU TRY TO MAKE CHRIST HIS OWN FATHER I NEVER HEARD THAT GOD HIS IN ANYONE , JN 5:42 but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves. John 14:20   At that day ye shall know that *I AM IN MY FATHER*, *AND YE IN ME*, **AND I IN YOU**. wakeup. SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN THREE IN ONE STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND

Jesus *spirit* is in us,and *He* is in his Father,for he is already spirit,and the Father is a spirit; is in the Word/jesus.

*When we are made spirit*; we will be *IN* the *Word*and the *Word* in God. And God will be all in all.
All will be one in God. MEANING ALLL BOUND TO GOD.
INCLUDING THE ANGELS,AND ALL CREATION.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 26 2013,09:53)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 26 2013,12:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 26 2013,07:55) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 26 2013,04:10) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2013,20:51) To all……..GOD the Father was truly “iN” Jesus just as Jesus said he was. Jsus was obeying every word the father was imparting to him God the Father who is a spirit was in the temple Jesus' flesh and raised it on the third day just as he in IN first person said through the mouth of the MAM Jesus. He also said  if they didn't breve his words , believe in the MIRACLES  , because they all knew it was god the father doing those Miracles .  BY those Miracles they could realize God the Father was with him and “IN” him.   So the Spirit of God,  could say through Jesus' mouth , Philip how long have I been with you! and you say show me the FATHER, If you have seen me “JESUS”, you have seen the father also. GOD the FATHER was TRULY “IN” JESUS BY THE CHRISTO'S he received at the Jordan River. GOD is A spirit! he can not be physically seen by no man including Jesus, Jesus could only “DECLARE” Him to us . GOD reveals himself to all he chooses through the spirit he. Gives them. No one can see the father except through the minds eye because God is a Spirit, and NO one can see (A PHYSICAL SPIRIT) because no Physical spirit exists.  IMO Peace and love to you all……………………..gene HOW COULD ANYONE BENEFIT OF GOD BEING IN CHRIST AND NOT WITH CHRIST ;ARE YOU TRY TO MAKE CHRIST HIS OWN FATHER I NEVER HEARD THAT GOD HIS IN ANYONE , JN 5:42 but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves. John 14:20   At that day ye shall know that *I AM IN MY FATHER*, *AND YE IN ME*, **AND I IN YOU**. wakeup. SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN THREE IN ONE STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND Jesus *spirit* is in us,and *He* is in his Father,for he is already spirit,and the Father is a spirit; is in the Word/jesus. *When we are made spirit*; we will be *IN* the *Word*and the *Word* in God. And God will be all in all. All will be one in God. MEANING ALLL BOUND TO GOD. INCLUDING THE ANGELS,AND ALL CREATION. wakeup.

SO ACCORDING TO YOU THEIR WILL BE NO MORE FLESH ,HUMANS RIGHT

[terraricca]

Seeing God through the son this could be done by first believing the scriptures and then understanding what it means that God would be all in all,

This only means that the will of God his in action in all so that there is no longer an adversary ,all working in the same direction God,s way ,for the love of others

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,14:43)

Seeing God through the son this could be done by first believing the scriptures and then understanding what it means that God would be all in all, This only means that the will of God his in action in all so that there is no longer an adversary ,all working in the same direction God,s way ,for the love of others

How can we have Christ in us?
By seeking the Word of God in print/the bible,
and the spirit in those Words, willl fill us with the spirit of Christ,which is the spirit of TRUTH.
For Christ *IS* the Word of God.
And the Word *WAS* inside God,*before* he brought it forth.

Christ/theWord, will sent his *spirit of truth* to anyone he choses,so they can understand *Him*and *know Him*.
The truth will dwell *in them*,and the truth is in God.
For the Word of truth is in God,and from God.

Anyone that has been given the truth *WILL* glorify *HIM*.
One *filled* with the Holy spirit will glorify him.
It is the Holy spirit **in the person**,glorifying Jesus.

john 16:14. *He* shall glorify *ME*,for He shall receive of mine,and shall show it unto you.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 30 2013,15:17)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,14:43) Seeing God through the son this could be done by first believing the scriptures and then understanding what it means that God would be all in all, This only means that the will of God his in action in all so that there is no longer an adversary ,all working in the same direction God,s way ,for the love of others How can we have Christ in us? By seeking the Word of God in print/the bible, and the spirit in those Words, willl fill us with the spirit of Christ,which is the spirit of TRUTH. For Christ *IS* the Word of God. And the Word *WAS* inside God,*before* he brought it forth. Christ/theWord, will sent his *spirit of truth* to anyone he choses,so they can understand *Him*and *know Him*. The truth will dwell *in them*,and the truth is in God. For the Word of truth is in God,and from God. Anyone that has been given the truth *WILL* glorify *HIM*. One *filled* with the Holy spirit will glorify him. It is the Holy spirit **in the person**,glorifying Jesus. john 16:14. *He* shall glorify *ME*,for He shall receive of mine,and shall show it unto you. wakeup.

first of all'

Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—

Jn 1:50 Jesus said, “You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You shall see greater things than that.”

Jn 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

Jn 3:15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

Jn 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

how can anyone search for someone in which he does not believe in ,

this is how the works of the believer is tested John 3;21

Jn 16:12 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.
Jn 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Jn 16:14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.

those above verses are addressed at his disciples for the works ahead of them ,it would be unwise to address those scriptures to us by thinking that we can claim equality with them ,

Jn 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.
Jn 17:10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.
Jn 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
Jn 17:19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
Jn 17:23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Jn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Jn 17:25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.
Jn 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”

only if we truly believe in his words not changing it

[Wakeup]

A proud man quoting
scriptures of love.
A proud man appearing Godly.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 30 2013,20:09)

A proud man quoting scriptures of love. A proud man appearing Godly. wakeup.

WE CAN SEE WHO HE'S TOO PROUD CALLING OTHER TO BE PROUD WHEN THEY QUOTE SCRIPTURES ,BUT HE HIMSELF TO PROUD TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH IN SCRIPTURES ,

SO CALL THEM NAMES ;

I STILL AWAIT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTIONS REGARDING ISRAEL OF TODAY BEING THE NATION BY CHOICE OF GOD FOR GOD'S PLAN ,

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