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Danny…..IF YOU CAN’T SEPERATE JESUS THE MAN FROM THE ANOINTING HE RECIEVED FROM GOD , YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PROPERLY RELATE WITH HIM. It is APSOLUTELY crucial, you see JESUS THE MAN AS AN ANOINTED HUMAN BEING EXACTLY LIKE YOU AND ME AND ALL OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. You have to at least come to see that, to even begin to come to the truth of God. What made the “MAN” Jesus who he was and is was the anointing SPIRIT OF GOD HE RECIEVED AT THE JORDAN RIVER , his perfection was a work of God done by God himself. Or haven’t you read , “THE son of man can do “NOTHING” of himself, the Father who is “IN” HIM “HE” DOES THE WORKS”, AND AGAIN, “for he (GOD) WORKS IN US BOTH TO “WILL” AND DO OF “HIS” GOOD PLEASURE”.
ALL WHO HAVE RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM GOD “ARE” CHRIST’S OR ANOINTED ONE OURSELVES, therefore we are hiers and joint hiers, with him.
Danny there is nothing hard to understand about this brother. You have to just get rid of all the false teachings you have heard over the years, and come to the simplicity of it all. We are brothers of Jesus in the family of God, who has Fathered us all by his seed (his spirit)
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene,
I hear you. Then please tell me why is Jesus Christ called the only-begotten Son of God?
How is He special if everybody can be “The Christ”?
Thanks.
Danny
God gave birth to Jesus Christ before the universe was made.
“I have begotten thee from the womb before the morning [star].” Psalms 110:3b, LXX (circa 250 B.C.)Hi Nick,
This is not an argument.
God is Spirit and still a person.
So, Jesus Christ was with His God and Father in Heaven.
Danny,
Do you believe what is written?
Hebrews 11:17Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Isaac was not Abraham’s only begotten son as Abraham was also the father of Ismael.
Galatians 4:20-23Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
So, just as Isaac is the one and only child of the promise God made to Abraham so is Jesus the one and only child of the promise of the Christ. He is the fulfillment of the Law, which is God’s word. He is first born of the Spirit and all other human beings are only born of the Spirit through him. For those and other reasons he is called the only begotten of God.
Danny Dabbs,
Galatians 2:20Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
In these words Paul separates his human self from the Spirit-Word of God that dwells in him.
Notes:
- The Spirit and word of God are both linked and intimate and have always been so thus I wrote Spirit-Word of God.
- Paul refers to the Spirit-Word as Christ because Jesus Christ is the embodiment of both. It is for that reason Jesus is called the author and finisher of our faith. (Hebrews 12:2)
Danny….Your running them together, like Jesus and christ mean the same thing, but that is the error, while we can say Jesus (the) Christ, that does not make JESUS A CHRIST HIMSELF, NO JESUS the man is the anointed one or christ of God. Big difference in perceptions. You are trying to see Jesus himself as the anointing spirit of God, another words another God being.
Spirits can come into a human body, and co-habbit in them, as scripture shows us, Now if the Spirit of him (God) that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken (bring to life) your motral (dead), “BODIES”, HOW? By “HIS” SPIRIT THAT DWELLS IN YOU.
Danny its the Same anointing Spirit of God that raised the man Jesus, who is the anointed one or CHRIST. WE must all atain the same way Jesus did, by that same anointing of that same SPIRIT Jesus had. Had Jesus not had the anointing spirit of God, in him, he would still be dead, he would have had no life in him, his body would completely corrupted in the grave the same as all humanity so far has, still waiting for the resurection of the dead.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Nick,
Be careful as you are getting into an argument over the meaning of words when you debate whether or not God is a person. The word person is open to interpretation because it has multiple definitions. One of those definition is a rational being. Some even define it as a soulish being which would also include animals. That last one has not made it into the dictionary I checked yet.
Hi KW,
God is never described as a Person in scripture.
That is enough for me.
As you know God does not want us to add to scripture.
Nick,
Any translator could have chosen to translate any word that meant a sentient being to person. It is a word with a meaning, When you deny God is a person then you are denying he is sentient. You already know he is sentient so why argue over words. It is called vain argument in Scripture for that very reason.
I tend to credit with enough sense to know God is not a human being so I feel it is safe to assume that they are not using the word person to mean human being. If they are claiming he is human then that is a legitimate point to dispute.
Hi KW,
We speak of God in the same terms scripture gives us.
derived terms lead to error.
you should try to find solid ground to stand on.
Nick,
Why do you make up rules that God does not teach you.
We speak of God in the same terms scripture gives us.
Those words are not written in Scripture. They are your own.
The letter kills but the Spirit gives life. Scripture strives to convey Spiritual truths with human words it is those Spiritual truths that is important not the words that are meant to convey them. One of those truths is that God is sentient.
Here is the advise I gave you.
2 Timothy 2:14New English Translation (NET Bible)
14 Remind people of these things and solemnly charge them before the Lord not to wrangle over words. This is of no benefit; it just brings ruin on those who listen.
Hi KW,
So this basic principal of scripture exegesis escapes you?
You feel justified in defining the Divine in human terms?
interesting.
Nick,
You are arguing just to argue. It is not beneficial. Do you have Scripture supporting your claim it is a “basic principal of scripture exegesis”? Frankly, I do not believe you do.
Hi KW,
You may be comfortable using words about God He did not give us.
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
Kerwin and Nick….. The term GOD is not a person, it is a term that “relates” to a person, “HERE “Ò” ISRAEL THE “LORD” (YEHWEH ) OUR “GOD” IS ONE “LORD” (YEHWEH) . YEHWEH, IS THE Person who is OUR “GOD”
The term GOD, means “POWER WE TRUST OR LEAN ON” , IT DEMONSTRATES A “RELATIONSHIP” WITH A PERSON WHO IS “YEHWEH”. Like Jesus the “christ” that shows his relationship with GOD as the anointed one, but he himself is not, the anointing, but the recipient of that anointing. Now we can use those term as pronouns, to identify a person as many scriptures do, but those identifications themselves are not the person themselves, but a condition of existence that person holds in a “relationship” to us all. Like the word saint, that is not the person himself but a position that person holds, as an anointed person of God it can relate to a paticular person but it does not identify that person himself but the status he or she holds.
Thats the way is see it brothers. Kerwin i do agree with 2 Tim 2:14, as you posted arguing over words can and has caused a lot of problems here and every where else too.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi,
The terms we can use about God are those found in the bible, not theology books or the minds of men.
Let Him reveal Himself.
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