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Terrarica,
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
I have already discussed this with you so I do not see any reason to go over it again. Once more you are seeing the physpical when the context is Spiritual.
Terrarica,
Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’
I assure you that Jesus surpassed John the Baptist because he was more important than him, ie before.
Full Definition of before
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a (1) : forward of : in front of(2) : in the presence of b : under the jurisdiction or consideration of c (1) : at the disposal of (2) : in store for 2
: preceding in time : earlier than- 3
: in a higher or more important position than>
The words are vague unless you consider that Jesus surpassed John because as the Christ he is more important and not because he existed first.
kerwin
if you don’t believe the little you can understand how do you going to understand the things that are yet deeper in spirit ? you cannot ,
Terrarica,
kerwin
if you don’t believe the little you can understand how do you going to understand the things that are yet deeper in spirit ? you cannot ,
That is your answer when I point out that not only can I understand the language of Philippians 2:5-7, John 1:14, and John 1:30 but that you too can understand.
The unsaid words I hear in your response is that even though you know what I posted true you do not believe it.
Were Adam and Eve made in the form of God?
Are all things created by the Word that comes from God’s mouth?
Does the Christ surpass John the Baptist?
You are taking teachings that are not about preexistence and misinterpreting them to support your preconceived ideas. Those same ideas disagree with other passages but you deny that disagreement because you have so closely embraced the idea that the Christ preexisted the conception of Jesus. It is known that a new human being begins a conception. Though there are some that form after that point none that form before it. The new human being starts from one cell and develops to an adult.
I can neither speak for the soul or the spirit for those are not physical in nature. I can say this, if you placed an angel soul in a human body then you would have an angel wearing a human body and not a human being. Jesus is called a human being, both before and after his ascension to heaven.
Do you believe God created a human soul and then through that soul he created all things that are created? Scripture teaches us humanity was created on the Sixth Night and Day and God created all thing through his word. I assure you God did not speak the Christ and there was light. Instead he spoke his word and their was light.
Do you want to redefine conception to mean become pregnant so that in conceals that the body of Christ came to exist in his mother inner part’s? It is a true but vague definition dictionaries give in order not to support pro life arguments in the abortion controversy.
In short your arguments to support your point of view are both weak and broken.
Kerwin
That is your answer when I point out that not only can I understand the language of Philippians 2:5-7, John 1:14, and John 1:30 but that you too can understand.The unsaid words I hear in your response is that even though you know what I posted true you do not believe it.
Were Adam and Eve made in the form of God?
Are all things created by the Word that comes from God’s mouth?
Does the Christ surpass John the Baptist?
you changed the scriptures by adding your words ;
of cause Jesus surpasses J the Bpt why questioning it ;
Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has
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me because he was before me.’
kerwin
In short your arguments to support your point of view are both weak and broken.
if this make you happy go for it its your readings and your understanding ,just remember to stand for it ;and so die in it
nick
Hi t,
The Word was before John.
Seen and heard and touched in Jesus by John the apostle.
John was talking about Jesus the Christ ;you can invent what you want it is yours to enjoy
Terrarica,
No, I did not add words. I did point out that you are using the wrong definition for the word before in John 1:30 and that you are using the wrong point of view for Philippians 2:5-7 and John 1:14.
If I add any words in my explanation then it is done for clarification and they are not really needed for the passage to mean what I am saying.
Adding words is to claim that Jesus body changed from and bone to something else since it is not written. But then not all things axe literally; some are implied.
terrarica,
I am not questioning whether Jesus surpassed John but rather if you believe he did because that is what John is claiming and the reason he gave was because the Christ has more authority than him.
Terricca…..Why don’t you ever question your scriptural position? , those scriptures you hold to are not solid scriptures, because there improperly taken and contradict many, many other scriptures. They find there false meanings in the way translaters who were “trinitarians” translated them to best meet their own beliefs, like the word “before” as meaning preexistence, when in fact it means in position or authority, as KERWIN brought out, the same with Jesus saying he was “before” Abraham, when if you read the context you would see he was refering to his “position” in relationship to Abraham.
None of this even mentions the fact, WHY WOULD GOD EVEN DO IT THE WAY YOU BELIEVE HE DID? WHAT would be his “POINT” in causing another being to BE “MORPHED” into existence from another realm of exitence to a flesh and blood existence? What would that DEMONSTRATE to any human being, apsolutely “nothing” PIERRE.?
We are telling you the truth brother, if you don’t see Jesus as comming into his “existence” as a pure flesh and blood human being, who at the Jordan river became the CHRISTO’S/MESSIAH, or anointed human being, you simply do not see the “real” Jesus brother.
God the father gave us HIS ONLY (begotten human son), a “SON”, OF HIS FROM HUMANITY, a SON OF “MAN”, BEGOTTEN BY GOD HIMSELF. That is why it says, ” unto us “humanity” has been given a son from God himself. Jesus himself said around 80 times he was a son of man, and if he was a son of man, as he said he was, that means he had to come into “his existence” through a human berth process like us, in order to be considered a ” son of man”, Nothing preexisting about it.
The idea of a preexistent being “MORPHED” INTO A FLESH BODY. DOES NOT WORK, IT WOULD PROVE NOTHING TO ANY ABOUT THE PERFECTION OF THE HUMAN CONDITION. IF Jesus was not a true human being in “every” way, it simply would be a smoke and mirror side show, a trick, a mystery religion, just as the world pictures it, and it’s EXACTLY THE WAY SATAN WANTS IT TO BE. He wants us all to SEPERATE our EXACT IDENITY, with Jesus, it works to defeat our “FAITH” IN GOD THE FATHER and OUR BROTHER JESUS.
Im afraid You have bought into the biggest deception ever fostered on humanity. Don’t believe what a the world religions are saying they are decieved brother.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene and all!
I proclaim to you that Jesus the anointed one has come in the flesh!
You cannot separate Jesus from Christ!
Peace to you all!
Danny
Hi DD,
Yes what God has joined together let no man put asunder.
Jesus Of Nazareth was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit and power.
We no longer speak of Christ according to the flesh.
Flesh contributes nothing.
Now the Lord is the Spirit.
Hi DD,
You need to read it in the light of 2 Cor 5.16
It is speaking of the Spirit.
“We no longer recognise anyone according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him this way no longer”
Man is obsessed with man.
Flesh contributes nothing.
Hi Nick,
I don’t agree with you.
I believe that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh!
But it’s ok. Peace to you!
Danny
Danny Dabbs,
There is not many Gnostics on the board though some teaching are influenced by that doctrine.
There is not any here that deny a Jesus came in the flesh though there is more than one Jesus spoken of on this board.
It is really is not a debate since everyone on this board I know of admits a Christ has come and that Christ is a human being.
Danny Dabbs,
There is two passage in 1 John and 2 John are similar.
One says he came in the flesh and the other that will be coming in the flesh.
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