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Nick…….But God has already forgiven the Whole world of there sins, through Jesus' blood. Haven't you been reading all the posts that prove that. Your still trying to make salvation a matter of (YOUR) WORKS, and CHOICES> Give GOD the CREDIT and let the SELF die Nick.
love and peace to you………………gene
GB,
So what Jesus taught in Jn3 was a lie?14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 11 2009,15:39) Hi 94,
But in our case it is not just to fulfill all righteousness.
It is a plea for the forgiveness of God[1Peter3]
Hi Nick:Did Jesus say “us” or me?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2009,09:34) Hi 94,
Where?
Hi Nick:Here:
Quote Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. Nick……..look up the word condemnation does it not mean Judgment. In you mind does Judgment = condemnation to eternal Hell Fire. Your idea of this means GOD is going to condemn those to eternal fire in some literal Hell fire. That is not whats implied Here. They may be given over to a judgement , but to imply anything else is forcing the text to meet your point of view. IMO
peace…………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2009,07:13) GB,
So what Jesus taught in Jn3 was a lie?14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Nick,Did Jesus lie when he said John 12:32 (King James Version)
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
His resurrection will draw all to him – I agree with Gene that the condemnation is limited and is not a literal fiery hell, and depending on what has been sown that is what will be reaped ……… if you sow to the spirit – life, and sow to the flesh – death
This is where 1 Peter 4:6 comes in – you are judged in the flesh – however the free gift is life
Hi 94,
US?
God and His Son.
We are not the sinless holy one of God
Ps 40
7Then I said, “Behold, I come;
In the scroll of the book it is written of me.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2009,11:35) Hi 94,
US?
God and His Son.
We are not the sinless holy one of God
Ps 40
7Then I said, “Behold, I come;
In the scroll of the book it is written of me.
Hi Nick:God does not need to be baptized. Jesus, although he was sinless, was baptized setting an example for us to follow. Therefore, he says “us”. He was identifying with us. We are members of his body.
Hi 94,
You are right.
All righteousness needs to be satisfied before God.The only two who can do so are John and Jesus.
The US is the two involved in the conversation before God, John the baptist and Jesus.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2009,13:36) Hi mK,
Indeed Jesus still draws all men.
Why do they still rebel?
If they are still rebelling – they have not been drawn to him.Paul says that each is in their own order not all in the first resurrection.
Hi MK,
So lets look at 1 Cor 15
” 20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. ”This has happened.
The rest of those who sleep are yet to be raised.1Thess 4
14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Those who are not in Christ are not asleep but really dead.
They do not have the abiding Spirit of life in them.” 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. “
All are not in Christ so this does not refer to the lost.
” 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. “
The first resurrection -Jesus and his brothers.
” 24Then cometh the end,”
The end includes the salvaging of the final sheep in the judgement after the second resurrection.
” when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. “
The saved sheep are included in the kingdom handed to God and the goats are already cast into the fire.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. “
Nick
Corinthians says that in Christ (ALL) will be made alive – not only those in Christ to be made alive –
When the enemies are put under his feet the same word is used for the subduing of those enemies as is used for when Christ is subject to God – the enemies are enemies no longer, they are loyal, obedient subjects.
G5293
ὑποτάσσω
hupotassō
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: – be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.Nick……..so as in Adam (ALL) died, doesn't really mean (ALL) either, How can you switch context in the middle of a sentence like that to fit you theology. ALL is referencing (ALL) in the complete sentence NICK.
Peace and love……………………gene
Quote (meerkat @ Jan. 12 2009,20:44) Nick Corinthians says that in Christ (ALL) will be made alive – not only those in Christ to be made alive –
When the enemies are put under his feet the same word is used for the subduing of those enemies as is used for when Christ is subject to God – the enemies are enemies no longer, they are loyal, obedient subjects.
G5293
ὑποτάσσω
hupotassō
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: – be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
Hi MK,
You were right first time.
His enemies are no longer.All who remain at the end will be as one.
Nick – it says that the enemies are subdued (obedient) you are changing what it is saying – what is destroyed is the fleshly carnality and all that is not of the spirit – there is a spirit in man which returns to God at physical death, that is not a part of the dust/destruction/mortality/corruptible that is to be destroyed and does not inherit the kingdom of God.
Nick, it says all will be made alive in Christ not only those remaining will be made alive in Christ. You have changed this part as well to fit your beliefs.
GB,
The spirit of man returns to God at death[ecc 12]
WE should fear He Who has the power to destroy body and soul in the fire.[Mt10.28]All will not be ALL WHO HAVE EVER LIVED.
The rest of the dead do not rise till after the 1000 yr and they rise to face the judgement of the sheep and goats.
Then all who remain will be one with God.
Nick…….Please show us where, it says those thing the way you quote them, don't you know it is a sin to add teachings to what is written. You have absolutely (NO) proof of what you are saying. You are only expressing you own thought and will. Not the FATHERS or Jesus'.
God is not willing (ANY) parish, i think i will stick with that Nick thanks.peace and love…………………….gene
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