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Likewise 688 and 1948 have nothing to do with
with the abomination of desolationWhat do you say is standing in the holy place?
T8……had you went and to a look you would have found it a short explanation of what happened right after 70 AD ,HOW emperor Hadrian was the first to erect a statue of him and a statue of Jupiter who he worshiped as his God. He also believed he was a God himself, He built it right on the temple mount, where the Holy of Holies in the original temple was. its not long at all. It gives us the history of what took place after 70 AD. to around 200 AD.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
So how does the 1160 days play into this if that is relevant? Or what is the 1160 days according to you?
T8
This not 1160 but 1260
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
T8……had you went and to a look you would have found it a short explanation of what happened right after 70 AD ,HOW emperor Hadrian was the first to erect a statue of him and a statue of Jupiter who he worshiped as his God. He also believed he was a God himself, He built it right on the temple mount, where the Holy of Holies in the original temple was. its not long at all. It gives us the history of what took place after 70 AD. to around 200 AD.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
I stand corrected.
Gene, how does the 1260 days fit into your theory?
That’s the same question I was going ask him. Well Gene?
And I have this question for Berean…
I see the 1,260 day/Years as 688 to 1948, Israel was under islamic rule. And the
abomination of desolation (standing in the holy place) as the dome of the rock mosqueWhat is the abomination of desolation standing in the place where it ought not?
Tdj
Mathew 24
When you shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by the prophet Daniel, stand in the holy place, (let him that reads understand)
Let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains:Jesus said that Daniel spoke of the abomination of desolation…
Which passage(s) of Daniel’s is related to
with what Jesus said to the disciples?Because there are several passages that speak of the “abomination of desolation.”
But what is here in connection with what Jesus said to the disciples is found in Daniel 9:26
“After threescore and two weeks the Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, and the end thereof shall be a flood, and until the war is ended the desolations shall be determined.”
The abomination of desolation spoken of by Jesus and proclaimed by Daniel
is undoubtedly the destruction of the city and temple by the armies of Titus.
The armies of Titus have, contrary to Titus’ orders, burned and completely demolished the temple of Jerusalem.
But a few years before Titus laid siege to the city of Jerusalem, General Celsius came with his army, planted his standards around Jerusalem (the sign on the Roman army’s standards was “an eagle”) but did not attack the city or the temple, he turned back and thus those who had received Jesus’ warning saved their lives by fleeing to the mountains (see Matthew 24 and Luke 21:21-24).Luke 21:20-24 “And when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that her desolation is at hand. 21 Let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are in the midst of her go out, and let not those who are in the countries enter in. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are with child and to those who give milk in those days! For there will be great trouble in the land, and wrath will come on this people. 24 They will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be taken captive among all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Comments extra berean
“When the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem, it was a sign that most of the rulers and inhabitants of the city had crossed the borders of grace and had filled their cup with iniquity. For the Christians living in the city, it was a sign that Jerusalem would soon undergo God’s judgment. From the first opportunity, these Christians were to “flee to the mountains” (v. 21). In 66 A.D., when Cestius, the Roman general, surrounded the city, the Christians knew that the promised sign had arrived and that the time had come to flee. At the first opportunity to escape, they did so, and not a single Christian died in the horrible destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
Just as God gave the first Christians a sign to know when to flee Jerusalem, he gave us a sign. He has allowed every Christian to know when the hour of probation in this world is coming to an end”.
“Commentary by Robert Jamieson, A.R. Fausset and David Brown
“Deu 28:49 The Lord will bring a nation against you from afar – the invasion of the Romans – “they came from far away”. Soldiers of the invading army were taken from France, Spain and Great Britain – then considered “the end of the earth”. Julius Severus, the commander, then Vespasian and Hadrian, left Britain for the contest site. Moreover, the sign on the standards of the Roman army was “an eagle”; and the dialects spoken by the soldiers of the various nations that made up this army were completely incomprehensible to the Jews”.Hi all, the abomination of desolation was 66-70ad past not present or future and the warning Christ gave was to his disciples and they fled to the hills.
Here is a fairly good explanation:
https://www.bereanbiblechurch.org/transcripts/matthew/matt-24_15-20-abomination-of-desolation.htm
T8…..1260 Day equals 3 1/2 years, that is the Seventh and Eight kingdoms time of existence. It takes place at the end of the millennium when Satan is released from the bottomless pit, where he was placed at the beginning of the millennial reign of Jesus and the Saint’s. Rev 17 explains it, John was speaking from the timeline OF THE END OF THE SIXTH KINGDOM, of Jesus and the Saint’s. What many people think happens before Jesus returns is what is going to happen at the end of his regin.
That what it meant by “here is the mind of wisdom” you have to get the time line right and so many thing fall right in line.
No scripture say that 1260 days Equals 1260 years, that is something assumed by people, every time where days are used for years the text says thats what it equals, it does not say that about the 1260 days. So we should take it just as it says 1260 days or 3 1/2 YEARS WHICH FITS Rev 17. IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Miia……you are right that is why it is only mentioned in Matthew and Mark, they wrote their Gospels around 10 AD, it Hadn’t happened yet, while Luke and John wrote their Gospels after 70 AD so the didn’t even mention it, because it had already taken place.
Good job Miia
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Okay. To summarise Gene’s view, 70 AD is the starting date of the prophecy and 1260 days is a future event that will encompass 2 empires. Is there any significance between that time?
The time of 70 AD was in the fourth Babyloian type kingdom, (the Roman Empire ) it lasted until Rome fell, and sense then the fifth Babyloian type Empire has existed. We are presently in the fifth BABYLOIAN type Kingdom, net come the Sixth Kingdom (of Jesus Christ and the Saints ) which is the time point that Rev17 is speaking from and at the (End) of it’s rule will come the Seventh and Eight kingdoms . These two will regin for a short time and cause war against Jesus and the Saint’s and God will bring down fire from heaven and devours those armies that will be surrounding Jerusalem, and the end will come as well as the final judgement, and the second resurection.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Don’t know. Definitely possible. It’s like asking is a day in Genesis the time it takes for the earth to rotate 360 degrees or some other measurement. The latter is compelling given that the sun, moon, and stars became visible on day 4.
I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know. Certainly it’s possible. It’s like asking one day in Genesis how long it takes for the earth to rotate 360 degrees or something. The latter is convincing given that the sun, moon and stars became visible on the fourth day.
T8
If you look at, say, Daniel 9 (the 70 weeks)…
Can you say those 70 weeks are
literal?If yes, the text no longer makes any sense.
at all.
It only makes sense
if we apply the
principle 1 day = 1 yearBerean…….There are hundreds if thousands of places where days are mentioned in scriptures and they are literally just days, I believe you should not assume that unless the scripture say it. No where does it say 1260 days Equals 1260 years that’s just speculation. There are also places in scripture where day are for years, but the scripture indicates or says it, as for the case of Daniel 9 , the word (sheh’-bah, shib-aw’) is by implication a week; by extension an indefinite number: -(+by) seven (fold), -s, -(-teen, -teenth) , th, times.
That prophesy does indicate the term times like when seven “times” fell on king Neburchnasser, when he was driven out and became like a beast for seven “years”.
So in this specific case in Daniel 9 it could be correct to translate it as years I believe. We also have a past history that confirms it, right?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Berean……There are hundreds if thousands of places where days are mentioned in scriptures and they are literally just days, I believe you should not assume that unless the scripture say it. No where does it say 1260 days Equals 1260 years that’s just speculation. There are also places in scripture where day are for years, but the scripture indicates or says it, as for the case of Daniel 9 , the word (sheh’-bah, shib-aw’) is by implication a week; by extension an indefinite number: -(+by) seven (fold), -s, -(-teen, -teenth) , th, times.
That prophesy does indicate the term times like when seven “times” fell on king Neburchnasser, when he was driven out and became like a beast for seven “years”.
So in this specific case in Daniel 9 it could be correct to translate it as years I believe. We also have a past history that confirms it, right?
Bravo Gene
But you’re still funny, I think.
In Daniel 9 nothing is specifiedIt’s common sense that we have to
to translate days into years and also
by virtue of the fact that we are in a symbolic prophetic book.Revelation is also highly symbolic.Now, let’s now know that the prophecy of Daniel 9, which brings us to
at seventy-fifth week
baptism (27AD) and the death of Jesus (31AD) and the stoning of Stephen (34AD) is the beginning of the 2300 days/years of Daniel 8:14.8:14 And he saith unto me, Two thousand and three hundred days, even mornings and evenings; and the sanctuary shall be cleansed.
And the 1260 days/years are also part of that prophetic chain of the 2300 days/years to come in
1798 AD (538 AD – 1798) DANIEL 12:7Daniel 12
One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was standing over the waters of the river, “When will these wonders be finished?12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which stood over the waters of the river, and lifted up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time, and that all these things shall be finished, when the power of the holy people shall be utterly broken.
1290 days/years
12:11 From the time that the daily sacrifice shall cease, and the abomination of the desolate shall be taken up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 508 AD 1798.12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and thirty and five days.
(538 AD – 1844 AD)according to Revelation 10
AFTER 1844 There is no more time
prophetic
The half hour of Rev.17
We don’t know when it starts,
it does not register
within 2300 days/years10:5 And the angel, whom I saw standing on the sea and on the earth, lifted up his right hand unto heaven,
10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created the heaven and the things that are therein, and the earth and the things that are therein, and the sea and the things that are therein, that there should be no more time,
10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall sound the trumpet, the mystery of God shall be finished, as he hath declared unto his servants the prophets.
2300 days / years
457BC>>>>27AD>>31AD>>34AD>>>>>>>>508>>538>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1798>> 1844(end 2300 yrs)
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