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Quote (carmel @ June 09 2013,21:28) Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2013,21:14) Have you been reading the quran as well? Edj,
Very little though!
In fact I read more about Mohammad!
I read about all the major religions SINCE GOD IS IN ALL!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles,'the god' of the quran, is a different God from “The GOD of The Bible”.
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2013,22:31) Quote 'the god' of the quran, is a different God from “The GOD of The Bible”. Edj,
GABRIEL WAS THE AUTHOR OF THE QURAN!
GOD HAS SEVEN SPIRITS!
THESE SPIRITS ARE ARCHANGELS!
GABRIEL WAS ONE OF THEM!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 08 2013,18:59) When you have read both books you see everything much more clearly.
Sorry Asana,All I'm seeing here is a later book that both changes and adds to the original Book.
Quote (carmel @ June 09 2013,03:41) …..thus Moses father married his Aunt, an illegal marriage per Leviticus.
There wasn't such a thing as Leviticus at that time. And we know that Sarah was Abraham's sister as well as his wife, right?Everything in due time, Charles. When the only people in existence ARE your brothers and sisters, who else are you going to marry? But then, as mankind developed to a certain population, God apparently decided (when He gave Leviticus to Moses) that no longer should there be in-breeding.
Quote (carmel @ June 10 2013,03:04) Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2013,22:31) Quote 'the god' of the quran, is a different God from “The GOD of The Bible”. Edj,
GABRIEL WAS THE AUTHOR OF THE QURAN!
GOD HAS SEVEN SPIRITS!
THESE SPIRITS ARE ARCHANGELS!
GABRIEL WAS ONE OF THEM!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles,Did Gabriel change his mind? Why is his message different than the bibles than?
“And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou
among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation
this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold,
thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel,
How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon thee,
and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy child which shall be
born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:26-35)the quran says 'al-lah has no son', so 'al-lah' clearly is a different god!
Ed J
mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote When the only people in existence ARE your brothers and sisters, who else are you going to marry? Mike,
THAT PART YOU READ WAS A COMMENT FROM A JEWISH RABBI!
THE LEVITICUS ORIGINATED THAT NAME THROUGH THEIR OWN TRIBE OF LEVI ACCORDING TO THE TORAH
AND MOSES FATHER WAS A PRIEST OF THE TRIBE OF LEVI!
IT ALSO SAYS THAT:
This may the only time that the Torah mention that both parents are of the same tribe.
THE REASON THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL WAS ONLY BECAUSE ONCE A MAN/PRIEST DIVORCES HIS WIFE CAN NO LONGER REMARRY HER! BUT MOSES PARENTS FOR A REASON OR ANOTHER REMARRIED AGAIN, THEREFORE MOSES WAS BORN THROUGH AN ILLEGAL MARRIAGE!
I WAS ONLY PIN POINTING THAT MOSES WAS IN EVERY DETAIL THE PRELUDE OF JESUS
SO:
MOSES WAS PROCLAIMED THAT HE WAS TO BE BORN AND OVERTHROW THE PHAROE! SATAN'S IMAGE!
JESUS WAS AS WELL!
MOSES WAS BORN ILLEGAL!
JESUS WAS AS WELL! AND SO ON!
NOW THAT WAS NOT A COINSIDENCE, BUT GOD'S PLAN!
AND IT WAS FOR A PARTICULAR, SIGNIFICANT AND FUNDAMENTAL REASON!
Peace an love in Jesus
Charles
Ed wrote:[/quote]
Quote the quran says 'al-lah has no son', so 'al-lah' clearly is a different god! Edj,
No he didn't change his mind, if indeed was Gabriel
I only stated what the Qoran says!Now Allah is a different GOD but we still have to reflect in order to be aware in what he is different
I AM POSITIVELY SURE THAT WHEN ONE REFLECTS ON BOTH THE BIBLE AND THE QORAN THE TRUTH WOULD BE MORE EVIDENT!
THE ONLY REASON THAT I JOINED IN THIS THREAD, SINCE THERE'S A PERSON LIKE BD!
JESUS CHRIST IS ALSO A DIFFERENT GOD SINCE HE IS BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH, AND THE FATHER IS ONLY A SPIRIT ALTHOUGH THE FATHER STILL GLORIFIED THROUGH JESUS, AND VICE VERSA!
ALSO THE OT. GOD IS COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, ALTHOUGH HE IS THE SAME GOD!
BD mentioned two particular statements regarding Moses, and I discerned something, which I was aware of, as soon as BD stated them!
the reason that I asked :
What figure Moses represents either the soul or the spirit
CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ June 09 2013,14:24) THE REASON THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL WAS ONLY BECAUSE ONCE A MAN/PRIEST DIVORCES HIS WIFE CAN NO LONGER REMARRY HER! BUT MOSES PARENTS FOR A REASON OR ANOTHER REMARRIED AGAIN, THEREFORE MOSES WAS BORN THROUGH AN ILLEGAL MARRIAGE!
My point is: WHEN did it become illegal? Not until God gave Moses the Law, right? Until that time, is there any teaching from God that divorce and remarry was “illegal”?Also, if a spouse died, or committed adultery, then it WAS legal to marry again – even under the Law.
So the fact that your source says Moses' mother had three husbands does not mean the first two didn't die or commit adultery, right?
But I agree that Moses was a forbearer of Christ in many ways. God even said He would eventually send another prophet, like Moses, right? And Jesus was a prophet of God, right?
Quote (carmel @ June 10 2013,07:50) Ed wrote:[/quote]
Quote the quran says 'al-lah has no son', so 'al-lah' clearly is a different god! Edj,
No he didn't change his mind, if indeed was Gabriel
I only stated what the Qoran says!Now Allah is a different GOD but we still have to reflect in order to be aware in what he is different
I AM POSITIVELY SURE THAT WHEN ONE REFLECTS ON BOTH THE BIBLE AND THE QORAN THE TRUTH WOULD BE MORE EVIDENT!
THE ONLY REASON THAT I JOINED IN THIS THREAD, SINCE THERE'S A PERSON LIKE BD!
JESUS CHRIST IS ALSO A DIFFERENT GOD SINCE HE IS BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH, AND THE FATHER IS ONLY A SPIRIT ALTHOUGH THE FATHER STILL GLORIFIED THROUGH JESUS, AND VICE VERSA!
ALSO THE OT. GOD IS COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, ALTHOUGH HE IS THE SAME GOD!
BD mentioned two particular statements regarding Moses, and I discerned something, which I was aware of, as soon as BD stated them!
the reason that I asked :
What figure Moses represents either the soul or the spirit
CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel.How can you even compare the qur'an and the Holy bible?
The muslems have rejected the greatest gift of God.
His beloved Son.One can only come to God through his Son.
Not through mohamad,or anybody else.Islam has denied that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
To islam,Jesus is just another prophet,like mohamad.False religion always mentions God and Jesus.
But not the God, and the Jesus, of the Holy bible.wakeup.
mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Also, if a spouse died, or committed adultery, then it WAS legal to marry again – even under the Law. Mike,
Read the continuation of that comment:
Prior to this Amram, the leader of the Hebrews, decided that since all boys were to be drowned, all the men should divorce their wives and give up sexual relations. His daughter, Miriam told her father that his decree was worse that Pharaoh’s, since Pharaoh wanted kill all the boys and he, her father agreed to eliminate even the girls. He accepted her statement and remarried Yocheved. Thus despite it appearing that they (Amram and Yocheved) were just married and she gave birth to Moses, in fact they remarried. Moses had an older sister and bother (Aaron) from his parents previous marriage to each other.
AS YOU CAN READ, MOSES' MOTHER REMARRIED THE SAME MAN, AND SHE ALREADY HAD AARON, AND MIRIAM!
as I said: these things are not a coincidence BUT GOD'S PLAN IN ORDER TO REAVEL HIS HIDDEN THINGS FOR ALL THOSE WHO REALLY LOVES HIM AND WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HIM IN ORDER TO LOVE HIM MORE!
MOSES AS IT IS, IS ALSO LIKE JESUS:
THE FIRST AND THE LAST FROM THE SAME PARENTS!
Quote But I agree that Moses was a forbearer of Christ in many ways. MORE THEN CAN YOU IMAGINE! AND I KNOW THAT YOU NEVER REALLY STUDIED MOSES ENOUGH, BECAUSE MOSES WAS SENT AS A PRELUDE THE JESUS, PURPOSELY IDENTICAL TO THE LEAST DEATAIL ALTHOUGH IN A DIFFERENT MANNER!
AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW SOME HIDDEN THINGS REGARDING JESUS, YOU BETTER STUDY MOSES! I DID
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Wakeup @ June 09 2013,17:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 09 2013,15:40) Quote (Wakeup @ June 09 2013,14:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 09 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,07:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 08 2013,13:50) Exodus 4 15 You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do.
Do you believe this or not?
Of course I believe it. But tell me where it says God “cured” Moses of his speech impediment.
The Quran states:Surat Taha/20
25 (Moses) said: “O my Lord! expand me my breast;
26 “Ease my task for me;
27 “And remove the impediment from my speech,
28 “So they may understand what I say:
29 “And give me a Minister from my family,
30 “Aaron, my brother;
31 “Add to my strength through him,
32 “And make him share my task:
33 “That we may celebrate Thy praise without stint,
34 “And remember Thee without stint:
35 “For Thou art He that (ever) regardeth us.”
36 (Allah) said: “Granted is thy prayer, O Moses!”
Proof:
Exodus 4
15 You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do.
When you have read both books you see everything much more clearly.
Boditharta.God has a certain style of speech.
We can tell by the style and wordings wether it is Gods word or some other.
Gods lingo touches the soul.wakeup.
I agree that God has a certain style of speech but you will not be able to discern it with a hard heart, it is clear that the Quran is saying that Moses was healed by God and the Bible agrees when it says God said “I will help both of you speak” then it shows clearly that Aaron was not the MAIN speaker, Moses was.You might want to read without prejudice and then come to a conclusion. Did Adam and Eve die the day when they ate the fruit? NO.
But you will say that ” a thousand years is “like” a day to God, so yes they died that same day but the Bible clearly teaches “There was evening and there was morning” that is considered a day and in that day they did not die, the Quran explains.
Sura #2
35 And We said: “O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight, of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zalimun (wrong-doers).”
36 Then the Shaitan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: “Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time.”
37 Then Adam received from his Lord Words. And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.
38 We said: “Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.
39 But those who disbelieve and belie Our Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) – such are the dwellers of the Fire. They shall abide therein forever.Now do you believe that it was God who taught mankind how to repent?
Boditharta.Do you really believe that God created the earth and man in six thousand years?
And God rested on the seventh thousand year?If so than Adam must have been over a thousand years old when he was *cast out* of the garden.Because God rested on the 7th day=1000yrs. So Adam was cast out after God finished his rest.
The scripture says that adam lived for 800 years, when he beget Enoch,and died at 930 years old. This proves that
the one day, equals a thousand years is *not correct*.Gods word is contained in one book only,not two or more.
One book containing the old and the new.Just two witnesses.
Any other books are just copies.God showed us how to repent;by animal sacrifices,and following his commandments.
The *last sacrifice* was provided by God himself;and that is his only begotten Son. A sacrifice without blemish,pure and clean. Well accepted by God.
The qur'an can not be of the same God that wrote the bible.
It has a different spirit,and it was written about seven hundred years after Christ.The Holy bible focuses on Jerusalem, the name given by God. Not Mecca. The muslems focuses on mecca.
In Jerusalem when the muslems pray;they face towards mecca; and their backsides facing the dome.No; the two are not of the same spirit.
wakeup.
So you just agreed with me that a day is not a thousand years and that Adam did not die the day he ate of the fruit.Why did he not die? You might say that “death is sepeartion from God” However Adam and Eve were not seperated from God nor were their children who offered sacrifices to God, right?
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2013,10:16) Quote (Wakeup @ June 09 2013,17:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 09 2013,15:40) Quote (Wakeup @ June 09 2013,14:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 09 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,07:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 08 2013,13:50) Exodus 4 15 You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do.
Do you believe this or not?
Of course I believe it. But tell me where it says God “cured” Moses of his speech impediment.
The Quran states:Surat Taha/20
25 (Moses) said: “O my Lord! expand me my breast;
26 “Ease my task for me;
27 “And remove the impediment from my speech,
28 “So they may understand what I say:
29 “And give me a Minister from my family,
30 “Aaron, my brother;
31 “Add to my strength through him,
32 “And make him share my task:
33 “That we may celebrate Thy praise without stint,
34 “And remember Thee without stint:
35 “For Thou art He that (ever) regardeth us.”
36 (Allah) said: “Granted is thy prayer, O Moses!”
Proof:
Exodus 4
15 You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do.
When you have read both books you see everything much more clearly.
Boditharta.God has a certain style of speech.
We can tell by the style and wordings wether it is Gods word or some other.
Gods lingo touches the soul.wakeup.
I agree that God has a certain style of speech but you will not be able to discern it with a hard heart, it is clear that the Quran is saying that Moses was healed by God and the Bible agrees when it says God said “I will help both of you speak” then it shows clearly that Aaron was not the MAIN speaker, Moses was.You might want to read without prejudice and then come to a conclusion. Did Adam and Eve die the day when they ate the fruit? NO.
But you will say that ” a thousand years is “like” a day to God, so yes they died that same day but the Bible clearly teaches “There was evening and there was morning” that is considered a day and in that day they did not die, the Quran explains.
Sura #2
35 And We said: “O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight, of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zalimun (wrong-doers).”
36 Then the Shaitan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: “Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time.”
37 Then Adam received from his Lord Words. And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.
38 We said: “Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.
39 But those who disbelieve and belie Our Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) – such are the dwellers of the Fire. They shall abide therein forever.Now do you believe that it was God who taught mankind how to repent?
Boditharta.Do you really believe that God created the earth and man in six thousand years?
And God rested on the seventh thousand year?If so than Adam must have been over a thousand years old when he was *cast out* of the garden.Because God rested on the 7th day=1000yrs. So Adam was cast out after God finished his rest.
The scripture says that adam lived for 800 years, when he beget Enoch,and died at 930 years old. This proves that
the one day, equals a thousand years is *not correct*.Gods word is contained in one book only,not two or more.
One book containing the old and the new.Just two witnesses.
Any other books are just copies.God showed us how to repent;by animal sacrifices,and following his commandments.
The *last sacrifice* was provided by God himself;and that is his only begotten Son. A sacrifice without blemish,pure and clean. Well accepted by God.
The qur'an can not be of the same God that wrote the bible.
It has a different spirit,and it was written about seven hundred years after Christ.The Holy bible focuses on Jerusalem, the name given by God. Not Mecca. The muslems focuses on mecca.
In Jerusalem when the muslems pray;they face towards mecca; and their backsides facing the dome.No; the two are not of the same spirit.
wakeup.
So you just agreed with me that a day is not a thousand years and that Adam did not die the day he ate of the fruit.Why did he not die? You might say that “death is sepeartion from God” However Adam and Eve were not seperated from God nor were their children who offered sacrifices to God, right?
Boditharta.God said to Adam and Eve; *YOU *SHALT* SURELY DIE*
*The day* that you eat the fruit,YOU *SHALT* SURELY DIE.
THE EXECUTION WAS NOT NECESSARY ON THAT SAME DAY.ADAM MUST MULTIPLY FIRST;AND THEN DIE.
SO ALL HIS CHILDREN SHALT ALSO DIE.
WE ALL LIVE;AND THEN WE DIE. WE CAN NOT ALL BE BORN DEAD. THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE;EVEN IF WE SIN TODAY,WE WONT DIE THIS SAME DAY??Regarding a day is *AS* a thousnd years to God;we need to read the scriptures very carefully.
Peter said;A DAY WITH THE LORD IS ****AS**** A THOUSND YEARS. A THOUSAND YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO US. TO GOD IT IS JUST *AS* A DAY.AS A VERY SHORT TIME.
PETER DID NOT SAY THAT A DAY *IS* A THOUSAND YEARS;BUT **AS**
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 11 2013,12:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2013,10:16) Quote (Wakeup @ June 09 2013,17:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 09 2013,15:40) Quote (Wakeup @ June 09 2013,14:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 09 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,07:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 08 2013,13:50) Exodus 4 15 You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do.
Do you believe this or not?
Of course I believe it. But tell me where it says God “cured” Moses of his speech impediment.
The Quran states:Surat Taha/20
25 (Moses) said: “O my Lord! expand me my breast;
26 “Ease my task for me;
27 “And remove the impediment from my speech,
28 “So they may understand what I say:
29 “And give me a Minister from my family,
30 “Aaron, my brother;
31 “Add to my strength through him,
32 “And make him share my task:
33 “That we may celebrate Thy praise without stint,
34 “And remember Thee without stint:
35 “For Thou art He that (ever) regardeth us.”
36 (Allah) said: “Granted is thy prayer, O Moses!”
Proof:
Exodus 4
15 You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do.
When you have read both books you see everything much more clearly.
Boditharta.God has a certain style of speech.
We can tell by the style and wordings wether it is Gods word or some other.
Gods lingo touches the soul.wakeup.
I agree that God has a certain style of speech but you will not be able to discern it with a hard heart, it is clear that the Quran is saying that Moses was healed by God and the Bible agrees when it says God said “I will help both of you speak” then it shows clearly that Aaron was not the MAIN speaker, Moses was.You might want to read without prejudice and then come to a conclusion. Did Adam and Eve die the day when they ate the fruit? NO.
But you will say that ” a thousand years is “like” a day to God, so yes they died that same day but the Bible clearly teaches “There was evening and there was morning” that is considered a day and in that day they did not die, the Quran explains.
Sura #2
35 And We said: “O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight, of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zalimun (wrong-doers).”
36 Then the Shaitan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: “Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time.”
37 Then Adam received from his Lord Words. And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.
38 We said: “Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.
39 But those who disbelieve and belie Our Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) – such are the dwellers of the Fire. They shall abide therein forever.Now do you believe that it was God who taught mankind how to repent?
Boditharta.Do you really believe that God created the earth and man in six thousand years?
And God rested on the seventh thousand year?If so than Adam must have been over a thousand years old when he was *cast out* of the garden.Because God rested on the 7th day=1000yrs. So Adam was cast out after God finished his rest.
The scripture says that adam lived for 800 years, when he beget Enoch,and died at 930 years old. This proves that
the one day, equals a thousand years is *not correct*.Gods word is contained in one book only,not two or more.
One book containing the old and the new.Just two witnesses.
Any other books are just copies.God showed us how to repent;by animal sacrifices,and following his commandments.
The *last sacrifice* was provided by God himself;and that is his only begotten Son. A sacrifice without blemish,pure and clean. Well accepted by God.
The qur'an can not be of the same God that wrote the bible.
It has a different spirit,and it was written about seven hundred years after Christ.The Holy bible focuses on Jerusalem, the name given by God. Not Mecca. The muslems focuses on mecca.
In Jerusalem when the muslems pray;they face towards mecca; and their backsides facing the dome.No; the two are not of the same spirit.
wakeup.
So you just agreed with me that a day is not a thousand years and that Adam did not die the day he ate of the fruit.Why did he not die? You might say that “death is sepeartion from God” However Adam and Eve were not seperated from God nor were their children who offered sacrifices to God, right?
Boditharta.God said to Adam and Eve; *YOU *SHALT* SURELY DIE*
*The day* that you eat the fruit,YOU *SHALT* SURELY DIE.
THE EXECUTION WAS NOT NECESSARY ON THAT SAME DAY.ADAM MUST MULTIPLY FIRST;AND THEN DIE.
SO ALL HIS CHILDREN SHALT ALSO DIE.
WE ALL LIVE;AND THEN WE DIE. WE CAN NOT ALL BE BORN DEAD. THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE;EVEN IF WE SIN TODAY,WE WONT DIE THIS SAME DAY??Regarding a day is *AS* a thousnd years to God;we need to read the scriptures very carefully.
Peter said;A DAY WITH THE LORD IS ****AS**** A THOUSND YEARS. A THOUSAND YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO US. TO GOD IT IS JUST *AS* A DAY.AS A VERY SHORT TIME.
PETER DID NOT SAY THAT A DAY *IS* A THOUSAND YEARS;BUT **AS**
wakeup.
The day that you eat the fruit you shalt surely die means that is the day you will die and they were punished that day but it was not with death on that day because GOD FORGAVE THEM just like when JONAH to
ld the town of NINEVEH that they would surely die and they repented and did not die either as they were told that they would but what does JONAH say?Jonah 3:10
New International Version (NIV)
10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened
Jonah 4
New International Version (NIV)
4 But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry. 2 He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.
This is why the serpent said:
Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:When Cain killed Abel God did not punish him with death but then God did finally say:
Genesis 9:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
And guess what after many peopl were taught over and over they in-fact did start being put to death on the very same day they violated the rule of Law, right? So God gives much warning and example before HIS wrath occurs.
bodhitharta,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote However Adam and Eve were not seperated from God nor were their children who offered sacrifices to God, right? BD,
Adam and Eve could in no way communicate with God, directly!
They were able to communicate with the flesh, SATAN'S ATTRIBUTE .
God created them in spiritual flesh! THE ONLY SUBSTANCE WHICH GOD COULD EBIDE WITHIN,
GOD BREATHED INTO ADAM'S FACE, MEANS THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD ABIDED IN ADAM'S FIRST EVER SOUL AND BECAME ALIVE SPIRITUALLY,
NOT IN FLESH and BLOOD!
But as soon as Adam sinned,not EVE!
THE ONLY SOUL, with God's spirit within to be tested, and to decide whether he would continue his holiness within God's concept, AS HE WAS!
HE LOST CONTACT WITH GOD'S SPIRIT, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT SATAN'S SPIRIT TOOK OVER HIS SOUL
SO THE BLOOD WAS ESTABLISHED PURPOSELY FOR THE SOUL TO ABIDE WITHIN, THEREFORE BURRIED
AND BECAME A BODY IN FLESH AND BLOOD
GOD WAS NOT THE OWNER OF FLESH AND BLOOD!YET! SATAN WAS! SINCE HIS SPIRIT WAS WITHIN THE SOUL
SO GOD SENT THE REDEEMER, HIS SPIRITUAL SUBSTANCE AS MAN TO OWN FOR ETERNITY THE FLESH AND BLOOD SUBSTANCE ON EARTH! THROUGH HIS UNIQUE DEATH!
TODAY ALL CREATURES WHETHER THEY ARE MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, AND SO ON, HAVE NO VENIAL SIN ANYMORE!
ALL CREATURES ARE BEING BORN IN CHRIST'S SPIRIT!
THROUGH GENERATIONS IN THESE TWO THOUSAND YEARS THAT PASSED, ALL SATANIC CREATURES ARE ELIMINATED, SATAN IS NO LONGER WITHIN HUMANS!
WE ARE LIVING IN THE LAST MILLENIUM WITH CHRIST'S SPIRIT
THEREFORE SATAN IS LOCKED IN HELL TILL HE COMES AS
ANTICHRIST!
Charlesw
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2013,13:26) Quote (Wakeup @ June 11 2013,12:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2013,10:16) Quote (Wakeup @ June 09 2013,17:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 09 2013,15:40) Quote (Wakeup @ June 09 2013,14:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 09 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,07:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 08 2013,13:50) Exodus 4 15 You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do.
Do you believe this or not?
Of course I believe it. But tell me where it says God “cured” Moses of his speech impediment.
The Quran states:Surat Taha/20
25 (Moses) said: “O my Lord! expand me my breast;
26 “Ease my task for me;
27 “And remove the impediment from my speech,
28 “So they may understand what I say:
29 “And give me a Minister from my family,
30 “Aaron, my brother;
31 “Add to my strength through him,
32 “And make him share my task:
33 “That we may celebrate Thy praise without stint,
34 “And remember Thee without stint:
35 “For Thou art He that (ever) regardeth us.”
36 (Allah) said: “Granted is thy prayer, O Moses!”
Proof:
Exodus 4
15 You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do.
When you have read both books you see everything much more clearly.
Boditharta.God has a certain style of speech.
We can tell by the style and wordings wether it is Gods word or some other.
Gods lingo touches the soul.wakeup.
I agree that God has a certain style of speech but you will not be able to discern it with a hard heart, it is clear that the Quran is saying that Moses was healed by God and the Bible agrees when it says God said “I will help both of you speak” then it shows clearly that Aaron was not the MAIN speaker, Moses was.You might want to read without prejudice and then come to a conclusion. Did Adam and Eve die the day when they ate the fruit? NO.
But you will say that ” a thousand years is “like” a day to God, so yes they died that same day but the Bible clearly teaches “There was evening and there was morning” that is considered a day and in that day they did not die, the Quran explains.
Sura #2
35 And We said: “O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight, of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zalimun (wrong-doers).”
36 Then the Shaitan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: “Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time.”
37 Then Adam received from his Lord Words. And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.
38 We said: “Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.
39 But those who disbelieve and belie Our Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) – such are the dwellers of the Fire. They shall abide therein forever.Now do you believe that it was God who taught mankind how to repent?
Boditharta.Do you really believe that God created the earth and man in six thousand years?
And God rested on the seventh thousand year?If so than Adam must have been over a thousand years old when he was *cast out* of the garden.Because God rested on the 7th day=1000yrs. So Adam was cast out after God finished his rest.
The scripture says that adam lived for 800 years, when he beget Enoch,and died at 930 years old. This proves that
the one day, equals a thousand years is *not correct*.Gods word is contained in one book only,not two or more.
One book containing the old and the new.Just two witnesses.
Any other books are just copies.God showed us how to repent;by animal sacrifices,and following his commandments.
The *last sacrifice* was provided by God himself;and that is his only begotten Son. A sacrifice without blemish,pure and clean. Well accepted by God.
The qur'an can not be of the same God that wrote the bible.
It has a different spirit,and it was written about seven hundred years after Christ.The Holy bible focuses on Jerusalem, the name given by God. Not Mecca. The muslems focuses on mecca.
In Jerusalem when the muslems pray;they face towards mecca; and their backsides facing the dome.No; the two are not of the same spirit.
wakeup.
So you just agreed with me that a day is not a thousand years and that Adam did not die the day he ate of the fruit.Why did he not die? You might say that “death is sepeartion from God” However Adam and Eve were not seperated from God nor were their children who offered sacrifices to God, right?
Boditharta.God said to Adam and Eve; *YOU *SHALT* SURELY DIE*
*The day* that you eat the fruit,YOU *SHALT* SURELY DIE.
THE EXECUTION WAS NOT NECESSARY ON THAT SAME DAY.ADAM MUST MULTIPLY FIRST;AND THEN DIE.
SO ALL HIS CHILDREN SHALT ALSO DIE.
WE ALL LIVE;AND THEN WE DIE. WE CAN NOT ALL BE BORN DEAD. THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE;EVEN IF WE SIN TODAY,WE WONT DIE THIS SAME DAY??Regarding a day is *AS* a thousnd years to God;we need to read the scriptures very carefully.
Peter said;A DAY WITH THE LORD IS ****AS**** A THOUSND YEARS. A THOUSAND YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO US. TO GOD IT IS JUST *AS* A DAY.AS A VERY SHORT TIME.
PETER DID NOT SAY THAT A DAY *IS* A THOUSAND YEARS;BUT **AS**
wakeup.
The da
y that you eat the fruit you shalt surely die means that is the day you will die and they were punished that day but it was not with death on that day because GOD FORGAVE THEM just like when JONAH told the town of NINEVEH that they would surely die and they repented and did not die either as they were told that they would but what does JONAH say?Jonah 3:10
New International Version (NIV)
10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened
Jonah 4
New International Version (NIV)
4 But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry. 2 He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.
This is why the serpent said:
Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:When Cain killed Abel God did not punish him with death but then God did finally say:
Genesis 9:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
And guess what after many peopl were taught over and over they in-fact did start being put to death on the very same day they violated the rule of Law, right? So God gives much warning and example before HIS wrath occurs.
Boditharta.Adam and Eve simply followed satans claim,and made God a liar,and satan as speaking the truth.
This has been going on up to now, except for the truly God fearing.
Most dont believe in Gods WORD; but go for some strange words. unauthorised by God; only Jesus is authorised to sow his seed.
Other sown seeds are weed; and thorn bushes.Adam could not have been forgiven,because satan took them under his care,and his children also.They are satans prisoners.
They have accepted satan as their father,without realising it.
Because of satans cunning devices,they have been taken.If you really are after the truth,you need to study the book that contains the truth;with the spirit of truth in it; *the Holy spirit*.
Jesus is the *WORD* and *HIS* words in the bible, is the *WORD*, *JESUS*. The spirit is in those words.The Holy spirit; the spirit of truth.
No other book have the spirit of truth in it ,because they are not the *WORD* of God. JESUS=The *WORD*= the *HOLY BIBLE*. THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH CONTAINS IN THE WORDS.God does not contradict himself,as satan like to have us believe. Other books are there to deceive,and to keep all busy; so they dont have the time to read the bible.
wakeup.
Wakeup,June wrote:Quote How can you even compare the qur'an and the Holy bible? WAKEUP
GOD ALMIGHTY WORKS HIS OWN WAY AND IN ANY WAY HE PREFERS!
He is light but abides in darkness, and through darkness he SHINES!
We, from the other hand should search throughout all spiritual writing with the SINCERE INTENTION to discover God’s truth, AND THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH WOULD MAKE US DISTINGUISH WHICH IS THE RIGHT DEFINITION!
HE WILL NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO DECEIVE US! HE IS IN COMMAND!
I AM NOT COMPARING OUR BIBLE WITH THE QURAN, But I am 100% positive that if we were to reflect upon the respective verses, which are a reference to our belief, WE WOULD DISCOVER HIDDEN THINGS WHICH ALWAYS WERE IN THE BIBLE AND BY REFLECTING ON THE QORAN WE WOULD CONFIRM THAT WE ARE THE TRUTH! And vice versa!
NOT THAT OUR BIBLE IS NOT THE TRUTH,
NOT THAT THE QURAN IS NOT THE TRUTH!
BUT BOTH SUPPORT EACH OTHER REGARDING THEIR RESPECTIVE INTERPRATION!instead contradict each other! AS THEY SEEM THEY ARE!
THAT'S WHAT I HAVE DISCOVERRED!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote False religion always mentions God and Jesus.
But not the God, and the Jesus, of the Holy bible.Wakeup,
Since I have been on heaven net, I ALWAYS SHOUTED THAT
GOD IS UNITED WITH JESUS CHRIST AS ONE BEING OF BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH! THE ONLY TRUE GOD,AND JESUS CHRIST
MOST CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN THE SEPARATION OF GOD, AND JESUS! GOD IS A BEING, AND JESUS IS ANOTHER BEING
THAT IS FALSE RELIGION SINCE JESUS GLORIFIED!
GOD AND JESUS GLORIFIED WITHIN THEMSELVES, BY THEMSELVES, FOR THEMSELVES! FOR THE SAKE OF GOD'S KNIGDOM!
John 13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32If God be glorified in him, God also will glorify him in himself; and immediately will he glorify him.
John 17:1THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee.
NO DOUBT ONE GLORIFICATION FOR BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON
TWO( BEINGS) IN ONE FLESH!
Genesis 2:24Wherefore a man ( the son)shall leave father( before the world was) and mother,( earth through his death) and shall cleave to his wife:( the church his body,SOULS) and they shall be two in one flesh!
THE FATHER (SPIRIT)AND THE SON'S (FLESH)KINGDOM!
JESUS AS HE IS NOW TOGETHER WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT! THE MOST POWERFULL
TILL ON THE LAST DAY!
THE FATHER WOULD BE ALL IN ALL!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
bodhitharta,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote The day that you eat the fruit you shalt surely die means that is the day you will die and they were punished that day but it was not with death on that day because GOD FORGAVE THEM just like when JONAH told the town of NINEVEH BD,
YOU SAID:they were punished that day but it was not with death on that day !
NO NOT QUITE AS YOU SAY!
GOD IS A SPIRIT! NOT CARNAL
SO GOD PUNISHED THEM SPIRITUALLY
WHICH MEANS: THAT THE SPIRIT WHICH GOD BLEW IN ADAM'S FACE AND THROUGH THAT BREATH, HE BECAME A LIVIVNG SOUL, ALIVE ONLY IN ALL THE SPIRIT STATE
THE MOMENT HE SINNED, NOT EVE
HE DIED, SIMPLY BEACAUSE GOD'S SPIRIT, LIFE, LEFT ADAM'S SOUL,AND SATAN'S SPIRIT, DEATH TOOK OVER!
THEREFORE ADAM LOST COMUNICATION WITH GOD! SINCE WITHIN HIM HAD A DEATH SPIRIT
Charles
Quote just like when JONAH told the town of NINEVEH BD,
THE ABOVE PARTICULAR STORY, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STORY OS ADAM!
ADAM WAS THE FIRST LIVING SOUL!
IT WAS THROUGH ADAM'S TEST THAT HAD TO BE ESTABLISHED WHAT KIND OF PROCESS TO HOLINESS HUMANS WOULD EVENTUALLY TAKE!
SO ONCE ADAM DECIDED TO DO HIS OWN WAY, AND NOT GOD'S WAY, THAT WAS IT THERE WAS NO ROOM FOR FORGIVENESS, SATAN TOOK HIM!
THERE WAS NO OTHER WAY TO START THE ROAD TO HOLINESS EXCEPT THROUGH DEATH, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY HAVE TO DIE AS WELL FIRST IN THE FLESH IN ORDER FOR THE SOUL TO BECOME FREE,FIRST
BUT STILL HE HAD TO GO TO HELL! SINCE THEY WERE SATAN'S PROPERTY, AND HAD TO WAIT FOR THE REDEEMER TO MAKE THEM FREE AGAIN AND LIVE IN PARADISE, WHERE ADAM WAS BEFORE HE SINNED
THEREFORE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN ANEW!
WHAT ADAM RUINED IN THE FIRST TEST!
Charles
Quote (Wakeup @ June 11 2013,21:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2013,13:26) Quote (Wakeup @ June 11 2013,12:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 11 2013,10:16) Quote (Wakeup @ June 09 2013,17:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 09 2013,15:40) Quote (Wakeup @ June 09 2013,14:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 09 2013,11:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,07:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 08 2013,13:50) Exodus 4 15 You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do.
Do you believe this or not?
Of course I believe it. But tell me where it says God “cured” Moses of his speech impediment.
The Quran states:Surat Taha/20
25 (Moses) said: “O my Lord! expand me my breast;
26 “Ease my task for me;
27 “And remove the impediment from my speech,
28 “So they may understand what I say:
29 “And give me a Minister from my family,
30 “Aaron, my brother;
31 “Add to my strength through him,
32 “And make him share my task:
33 “That we may celebrate Thy praise without stint,
34 “And remember Thee without stint:
35 “For Thou art He that (ever) regardeth us.”
36 (Allah) said: “Granted is thy prayer, O Moses!”
Proof:
Exodus 4
15 You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do.
When you have read both books you see everything much more clearly.
Boditharta.God has a certain style of speech.
We can tell by the style and wordings wether it is Gods word or some other.
Gods lingo touches the soul.wakeup.
I agree that God has a certain style of speech but you will not be able to discern it with a hard heart, it is clear that the Quran is saying that Moses was healed by God and the Bible agrees when it says God said “I will help both of you speak” then it shows clearly that Aaron was not the MAIN speaker, Moses was.You might want to read without prejudice and then come to a conclusion. Did Adam and Eve die the day when they ate the fruit? NO.
But you will say that ” a thousand years is “like” a day to God, so yes they died that same day but the Bible clearly teaches “There was evening and there was morning” that is considered a day and in that day they did not die, the Quran explains.
Sura #2
35 And We said: “O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight, of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zalimun (wrong-doers).”
36 Then the Shaitan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: “Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time.”
37 Then Adam received from his Lord Words. And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.
38 We said: “Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.
39 But those who disbelieve and belie Our Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) – such are the dwellers of the Fire. They shall abide therein forever.Now do you believe that it was God who taught mankind how to repent?
Boditharta.Do you really believe that God created the earth and man in six thousand years?
And God rested on the seventh thousand year?If so than Adam must have been over a thousand years old when he was *cast out* of the garden.Because God rested on the 7th day=1000yrs. So Adam was cast out after God finished his rest.
The scripture says that adam lived for 800 years, when he beget Enoch,and died at 930 years old. This proves that
the one day, equals a thousand years is *not correct*.Gods word is contained in one book only,not two or more.
One book containing the old and the new.Just two witnesses.
Any other books are just copies.God showed us how to repent;by animal sacrifices,and following his commandments.
The *last sacrifice* was provided by God himself;and that is his only begotten Son. A sacrifice without blemish,pure and clean. Well accepted by God.
The qur'an can not be of the same God that wrote the bible.
It has a different spirit,and it was written about seven hundred years after Christ.The Holy bible focuses on Jerusalem, the name given by God. Not Mecca. The muslems focuses on mecca.
In Jerusalem when the muslems pray;they face towards mecca; and their backsides facing the dome.No; the two are not of the same spirit.
wakeup.
So you just agreed with me that a day is not a thousand years and that Adam did not die the day he ate of the fruit.Why did he not die? You might say that “death is sepeartion from God” However Adam and Eve were not seperated from God nor were their children who offered sacrifices to God, right?
Boditharta.God said to Adam and Eve; *YOU *SHALT* SURELY DIE*
*The day* that you eat the fruit,YOU *SHALT* SURELY DIE.
THE EXECUTION WAS NOT NECESSARY ON THAT SAME DAY.ADAM MUST MULTIPLY FIRST;AND THEN DIE.
SO ALL HIS CHILDREN SHALT ALSO DIE.
WE ALL LIVE;AND THEN WE DIE. WE CAN NOT ALL BE BORN DEAD. THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE;EVEN IF WE SIN TODAY,WE WONT DIE THIS SAME DAY??Regarding a day is *AS* a thousnd years to God;we need to read the scriptures very carefully.
Peter said;A DAY WITH THE LORD IS ****AS**** A THOUSND YEARS. A THOUSAND YEA
RS IS A LONG TIME TO US. TO GOD IT IS JUST *AS* A DAY.AS A VERY SHORT TIME.PETER DID NOT SAY THAT A DAY *IS* A THOUSAND YEARS;BUT **AS**
wakeup.
The day that you eat the fruit you shalt surely die means that is the day you will die and they were punished that day but it was not with death on that day because GOD FORGAVE THEM just like when JONAH told the town of NINEVEH that they would surely die and they repented and did not die either as they were told that they would but what does JONAH say?Jonah 3:10
New International Version (NIV)
10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened
Jonah 4
New International Version (NIV)
4 But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry. 2 He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.
This is why the serpent said:
Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:When Cain killed Abel God did not punish him with death but then God did finally say:
Genesis 9:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
And guess what after many peopl were taught over and over they in-fact did start being put to death on the very same day they violated the rule of Law, right? So God gives much warning and example before HIS wrath occurs.
Boditharta.Adam and Eve simply followed satans claim,and made God a liar,and satan as speaking the truth.
This has been going on up to now, except for the truly God fearing.
Most dont believe in Gods WORD; but go for some strange words. unauthorised by God; only Jesus is authorised to sow his seed.
Other sown seeds are weed; and thorn bushes.Adam could not have been forgiven,because satan took them under his care,and his children also.They are satans prisoners.
They have accepted satan as their father,without realising it.
Because of satans cunning devices,they have been taken.If you really are after the truth,you need to study the book that contains the truth;with the spirit of truth in it; *the Holy spirit*.
Jesus is the *WORD* and *HIS* words in the bible, is the *WORD*, *JESUS*. The spirit is in those words.The Holy spirit; the spirit of truth.
No other book have the spirit of truth in it ,because they are not the *WORD* of God. JESUS=The *WORD*= the *HOLY BIBLE*. THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH CONTAINS IN THE WORDS.God does not contradict himself,as satan like to have us believe. Other books are there to deceive,and to keep all busy; so they dont have the time to read the bible.
wakeup.
Goddid forgive them an the funny thing is you say all the things you do then accept the fct that Enoch was so blessed, Guess who was the Father of Enoch?ADAM!
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