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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2013,13:29) Can any Christian here tell me about the speech impediment of Moses?
Hi BD,“slow of speech”
and
“of a slow tongue.” (see Ex 4:10)Ed
Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,14:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2013,13:29) Can any Christian here tell me about the speech impediment of Moses?
Hi BD,“slow of speech”
and
“of a slow tongue.” (see Ex 4:10)Ed
Ws this impediment ever cured according to the Bible?Hi BD,
I don't think so, but then again I don't know.
I don't even know what it was? Stuttering?
Speech difficulty? An injury? speculation?Ed
Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,15:18) Hi BD, I don't think so, but then again I don't know.
I don't even know what it was? Stuttering?
Speech difficulty? An injury? speculation?Ed
I appreciate the honest answer.The Quran states:
Surat Taha/20
25 (Moses) said: “O my Lord! expand me my breast;
26 “Ease my task for me;
27 “And remove the impediment from my speech,
28 “So they may understand what I say:
29 “And give me a Minister from my family,
30 “Aaron, my brother;
31 “Add to my strength through him,
32 “And make him share my task:
33 “That we may celebrate Thy praise without stint,
34 “And remember Thee without stint:
35 “For Thou art He that (ever) regardeth us.”
36 (Allah) said: “Granted is thy prayer, O Moses!”
Can we prove this prayer was answered in the Bible? If the Bible can prove the Quran to be true will you accept the Quran as the word of God or will you simply “wink at it?”
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2013,15:46) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,15:18) Hi BD, I don't think so, but then again I don't know.
I don't even know what it was? Stuttering?
Speech difficulty? An injury? speculation?Ed
I appreciate the honest answer.The Quran states:
Surat Taha/20
25 (Moses) said: “O my Lord! expand me my breast;
26 “Ease my task for me;
27 “And remove the impediment from my speech,
28 “So they may understand what I say:
29 “And give me a Minister from my family,
30 “Aaron, my brother;
31 “Add to my strength through him,
32 “And make him share my task:
33 “That we may celebrate Thy praise without stint,
34 “And remember Thee without stint:
35 “For Thou art He that (ever) regardeth us.”
36 (Allah) said: “Granted is thy prayer, O Moses!”Can we prove this prayer was answered in the Bible? If the Bible can prove the Quran to be true will you accept the Quran as the word of God or will you simply “wink at it?“
Hi BD,Once again the 'book of fraud' seems to say the opposite of
the “Book of Truth”, which is: it was YHVH's idea to also send Arron, not Moses'.“[YHVH said to Moses], Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well.
And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.
And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth,
and will teach you what ye shall do. And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be,
even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God. And thou shalt take this rod in thine hand,
wherewith thou shalt do signs.” (Ex 4:14-17)This is nothing to wink at, it proves that 'the quran' is at odds with “The Bible”!
Ed
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2013,15:46)
36 (Allah) said: “Granted is thy prayer, O Moses!”
…and who is this 'allah' character?Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,17:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 06 2013,15:46) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,15:18) Hi BD, I don't think so, but then again I don't know.
I don't even know what it was? Stuttering?
Speech difficulty? An injury? speculation?Ed
I appreciate the honest answer.The Quran states:
Surat Taha/20
25 (Moses) said: “O my Lord! expand me my breast;
26 “Ease my task for me;
27 “And remove the impediment from my speech,
28 “So they may understand what I say:
29 “And give me a Minister from my family,
30 “Aaron, my brother;
31 “Add to my strength through him,
32 “And make him share my task:
33 “That we may celebrate Thy praise without stint,
34 “And remember Thee without stint:
35 “For Thou art He that (ever) regardeth us.”
36 (Allah) said: “Granted is thy prayer, O Moses!”Can we prove this prayer was answered in the Bible? If the Bible can prove the Quran to be true will you accept the Quran as the word of God or will you simply “wink at it?“
Hi BD,Once again the 'book of fraud' seems to say the opposite of
the “Book of Truth”, which is: it was YHVH's idea to also send Arron, not Moses'.“[YHVH said to Moses], Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well.
And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.
And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth,
and will teach you what ye shall do. And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be,
even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God. And thou shalt take this rod in thine hand,
wherewith thou shalt do signs.” (Ex 4:14-17)This is nothing to wink at, it proves that 'the quran' is at odds with “The Bible”!
Ed
Really? Moses gave 4 Major speeches before his death there was no sign of a speech impediment and Aaron was not speaking for Moses but was helping Moses with the people.Who spokto the Pharoah?
Both Moses and Aaron spoke to Pharaoh. But Ed is right on this one, Asana. Moses was whining because of his speech impediment, and GOD (not Moses) came up with the solution of sending Aaron along with him as his “mouth”.
The Midrash relates an interesting tradition: Moses was an exceedingly handsome baby; whoever saw him could not take their eyes off him. Pharaoh would kiss and hug [Moses], and [Moses] would remove the crown from [Pharaoh’s] head and place it on his own—much as he was destined to do in the future…
The Egyptian sorcerers were present [when Moses donned Pharaoh’s crown] and they said, “We are concerned that this [child] who is removing your crown and placing it on his head shouldn’t be the one whom we have foretold will seize the reins of monarchy from you.”
Some of them were advising to behead him; others advised to burn him. Jethro [Moses’ future father-in-law] was sitting among the advisors. He argued that the child had no intelligence [and no omen should be associated with his harmless child’s-play with the crown].
“Test him,” he said. “Bring in front of him a plate of gold and glowing coals. If he reaches for the gold, that is a sign that he has intelligence, and we will execute him. If, however, he reaches for the [bright and glowing] coals, then he is without intelligence, and is not deserving if death.”
They brought [the plate] in front of [Moses], and he immediately reached for the gold. The angel Gabriel came and pushed his hand, and he grabbed the coal. [As is the nature of children,] he [instinctively] shoved his hand – together with the coal – into his mouth, and his tongue was burnt.
From this Moses became “heavy of mouth and heavy of tongue.”
I have read this story somewhere before – I believe in one of the books of Enoch. In that version, Balaam, son of Beor, was one of those at the table urging that Moses be executed.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2013,12:46) Both Moses and Aaron spoke to Pharaoh. But Ed is right on this one, Asana. Moses was whining because of his speech impediment, and GOD (not Moses) came up with the solution of sending Aaron along with him as his “mouth”. The Midrash relates an interesting tradition: Moses was an exceedingly handsome baby; whoever saw him could not take their eyes off him. Pharaoh would kiss and hug [Moses], and [Moses] would remove the crown from [Pharaoh’s] head and place it on his own—much as he was destined to do in the future…
The Egyptian sorcerers were present [when Moses donned Pharaoh’s crown] and they said, “We are concerned that this [child] who is removing your crown and placing it on his head shouldn’t be the one whom we have foretold will seize the reins of monarchy from you.”
Some of them were advising to behead him; others advised to burn him. Jethro [Moses’ future father-in-law] was sitting among the advisors. He argued that the child had no intelligence [and no omen should be associated with his harmless child’s-play with the crown].
“Test him,” he said. “Bring in front of him a plate of gold and glowing coals. If he reaches for the gold, that is a sign that he has intelligence, and we will execute him. If, however, he reaches for the [bright and glowing] coals, then he is without intelligence, and is not deserving if death.”
They brought [the plate] in front of [Moses], and he immediately reached for the gold. The angel Gabriel came and pushed his hand, and he grabbed the coal. [As is the nature of children,] he [instinctively] shoved his hand – together with the coal – into his mouth, and his tongue was burnt.
From this Moses became “heavy of mouth and heavy of tongue.”
I have read this story somewhere before – I believe in one of the books of Enoch. In that version, Balaam, son of Beor, was one of those at the table urging that Moses be executed.
Hi Mike
The Quran states that Moses was cured by God through his prayer. The bible demonstrates that Moses made 4 Major speeches as well as delivered the commandments yet there i no mention at all about any difficulty about speaking after his talk with God.
The number of times the Bible says “Moses Said” is 8 times as many as the term “Aaron said”
18) And indeed We gave Musa (Moses) the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah)], and placed his brother Harun (aaron) with him as a helper;
( سورة الفرقان , Al-Furqan, Chapter #25, Verse #35)
(21) “And my brother Harun (aaron) – he is more eloquent in speech than me: so send him with me as a helper to confirm me. Verily I fear that they will belie me.”
( سورة القصص , Al-Qasas, Chapter #28, Verse #34)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2013,12:46) Both Moses and Aaron spoke to Pharaoh. But Ed is right on this one, Asana. Moses was whining because of his speech impediment, and GOD (not Moses) came up with the solution of sending Aaron along with him as his “mouth”. The Midrash relates an interesting tradition: Moses was an exceedingly handsome baby; whoever saw him could not take their eyes off him. Pharaoh would kiss and hug [Moses], and [Moses] would remove the crown from [Pharaoh’s] head and place it on his own—much as he was destined to do in the future…
The Egyptian sorcerers were present [when Moses donned Pharaoh’s crown] and they said, “We are concerned that this [child] who is removing your crown and placing it on his head shouldn’t be the one whom we have foretold will seize the reins of monarchy from you.”
Some of them were advising to behead him; others advised to burn him. Jethro [Moses’ future father-in-law] was sitting among the advisors. He argued that the child had no intelligence [and no omen should be associated with his harmless child’s-play with the crown].
“Test him,” he said. “Bring in front of him a plate of gold and glowing coals. If he reaches for the gold, that is a sign that he has intelligence, and we will execute him. If, however, he reaches for the [bright and glowing] coals, then he is without intelligence, and is not deserving if death.”
They brought [the plate] in front of [Moses], and he immediately reached for the gold. The angel Gabriel came and pushed his hand, and he grabbed the coal. [As is the nature of children,] he [instinctively] shoved his hand – together with the coal – into his mouth, and his tongue was burnt.
From this Moses became “heavy of mouth and heavy of tongue.”
I have read this story somewhere before – I believe in one of the books of Enoch. In that version, Balaam, son of Beor, was one of those at the table urging that Moses be executed.
Surah 20 “Taha”24 “Go to Fir'aun (Pharaoh)! Verily, he has transgressed (all bounds in disbelief and disobedience, and has behaved as an arrogant and as a tyrant).”
25 [Musa (Moses)] said: “O my Lord! Open for me my chest (grant me self-confidence, contentment, and boldness).
26 “And ease my task for me;
27 “And loose the knot (the defect) from my tongue, (i.e. remove the incorrectness from my speech) [That occurred as a result of a brand of fire which Musa (Moses) put in his mouth when he was an infant]. (Tafsir At-Tabari).
28 “That they understand my speech.
29 “And appoint for me a helper from my family,
30 “Harun (Aaron), my brother.
31 “Increase my strength with him,
32 “And let him share my task (of conveying Allah's Message and Prophethood),
33 “That we may glorify You much,
34 “And remember You much,
35 “Verily You are Ever a Well-Seer of us.”
36 (Allah) said: “You are granted your request, O Musa (Moses)!
37 “And indeed We conferred a favour on you another time (before).
38 “When We inspired your mother with that which We inspired.
39 “Saying: 'Put him (the child) into the Tabut (a box or a case or a chest) and put it into the river (Nile); then the river shall cast it up on the bank, and there, an enemy of Mine and an enemy of his shall take him.' And I endued you with love from Me, in order that you may be brought up under My Eye.
40 “When your sister went and said: 'Shall I show you one who will nurse him?' So We restored you to your mother, that she might cool her eyes and she should not grieve. Then you did kill a man, but We saved you from great distress and tried you with a heavy trial. Then you stayed a number of years with the people of Madyan (Midian). Then you came here according to the fixed term which I ordained (for you), O Musa (Moses)!
41 “And I have chosen you, for Myself.
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 07 2013,16:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2013,12:46) Both Moses and Aaron spoke to Pharaoh. But Ed is right on this one, Asana. Moses was whining because of his speech impediment, and GOD (not Moses) came up with the solution of sending Aaron along with him as his “mouth”. The Midrash relates an interesting tradition: Moses was an exceedingly handsome baby; whoever saw him could not take their eyes off him. Pharaoh would kiss and hug [Moses], and [Moses] would remove the crown from [Pharaoh’s] head and place it on his own—much as he was destined to do in the future…
The Egyptian sorcerers were present [when Moses donned Pharaoh’s crown] and they said, “We are concerned that this [child] who is removing your crown and placing it on his head shouldn’t be the one whom we have foretold will seize the reins of monarchy from you.”
Some of them were advising to behead him; others advised to burn him. Jethro [Moses’ future father-in-law] was sitting among the advisors. He argued that the child had no intelligence [and no omen should be associated with his harmless child’s-play with the crown].
“Test him,” he said. “Bring in front of him a plate of gold and glowing coals. If he reaches for the gold, that is a sign that he has intelligence, and we will execute him. If, however, he reaches for the [bright and glowing] coals, then he is without intelligence, and is not deserving if death.”
They brought [the plate] in front of [Moses], and he immediately reached for the gold. The angel Gabriel came and pushed his hand, and he grabbed the coal. [As is the nature of children,] he [instinctively] shoved his hand – together with the coal – into his mouth, and his tongue was burnt.
From this Moses became “heavy of mouth and heavy of tongue.”
I have read this story somewhere before – I believe in one of the books of Enoch. In that version, Balaam, son of Beor, was one of those at the table urging that Moses be executed.
Hi Mike The Quran states that Moses was cured by God through his prayer. The bible demonstrates that Moses made 4 Major speeches as well as delivered the commandments yet there i no mention at all about any difficulty about speaking after his talk with God.
The number of times the Bible says “Moses Said” is 8 times as many as the term “Aaron said”
Hi BD,The bible says Moses was “slow of speech” NOT 'of no speech',
So your evidence is not only contradictory, but flimsy as well.
People from New Jersey can give an hour speech in 40 min.
So it may have taken Moses a little longer than an hour.Ed
Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2013,18:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 07 2013,16:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2013,12:46) Both Moses and Aaron spoke to Pharaoh. But Ed is right on this one, Asana. Moses was whining because of his speech impediment, and GOD (not Moses) came up with the solution of sending Aaron along with him as his “mouth”. The Midrash relates an interesting tradition: Moses was an exceedingly handsome baby; whoever saw him could not take their eyes off him. Pharaoh would kiss and hug [Moses], and [Moses] would remove the crown from [Pharaoh’s] head and place it on his own—much as he was destined to do in the future…
The Egyptian sorcerers were present [when Moses donned Pharaoh’s crown] and they said, “We are concerned that this [child] who is removing your crown and placing it on his head shouldn’t be the one whom we have foretold will seize the reins of monarchy from you.”
Some of them were advising to behead him; others advised to burn him. Jethro [Moses’ future father-in-law] was sitting among the advisors. He argued that the child had no intelligence [and no omen should be associated with his harmless child’s-play with the crown].
“Test him,” he said. “Bring in front of him a plate of gold and glowing coals. If he reaches for the gold, that is a sign that he has intelligence, and we will execute him. If, however, he reaches for the [bright and glowing] coals, then he is without intelligence, and is not deserving if death.”
They brought [the plate] in front of [Moses], and he immediately reached for the gold. The angel Gabriel came and pushed his hand, and he grabbed the coal. [As is the nature of children,] he [instinctively] shoved his hand – together with the coal – into his mouth, and his tongue was burnt.
From this Moses became “heavy of mouth and heavy of tongue.”
I have read this story somewhere before – I believe in one of the books of Enoch. In that version, Balaam, son of Beor, was one of those at the table urging that Moses be executed.
Hi Mike The Quran states that Moses was cured by God through his prayer. The bible demonstrates that Moses made 4 Major speeches as well as delivered the commandments yet there i no mention at all about any difficulty about speaking after his talk with God.
The number of times the Bible says “Moses Said” is 8 times as many as the term “Aaron said”
Hi BD,The bible says Moses was “slow of speech” NOT 'of no speech',
So your evidence is not only contradictory, but flimsy as well.
People from New Jersey can give an hour speech in 40 min.
So it may have taken Moses a little longer than an hour.Ed
So you assert that moses was not healed or cured from his speech impediment, correct?Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2013,18:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 07 2013,16:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2013,12:46) Both Moses and Aaron spoke to Pharaoh. But Ed is right on this one, Asana. Moses was whining because of his speech impediment, and GOD (not Moses) came up with the solution of sending Aaron along with him as his “mouth”. The Midrash relates an interesting tradition: Moses was an exceedingly handsome baby; whoever saw him could not take their eyes off him. Pharaoh would kiss and hug [Moses], and [Moses] would remove the crown from [Pharaoh’s] head and place it on his own—much as he was destined to do in the future…
The Egyptian sorcerers were present [when Moses donned Pharaoh’s crown] and they said, “We are concerned that this [child] who is removing your crown and placing it on his head shouldn’t be the one whom we have foretold will seize the reins of monarchy from you.”
Some of them were advising to behead him; others advised to burn him. Jethro [Moses’ future father-in-law] was sitting among the advisors. He argued that the child had no intelligence [and no omen should be associated with his harmless child’s-play with the crown].
“Test him,” he said. “Bring in front of him a plate of gold and glowing coals. If he reaches for the gold, that is a sign that he has intelligence, and we will execute him. If, however, he reaches for the [bright and glowing] coals, then he is without intelligence, and is not deserving if death.”
They brought [the plate] in front of [Moses], and he immediately reached for the gold. The angel Gabriel came and pushed his hand, and he grabbed the coal. [As is the nature of children,] he [instinctively] shoved his hand – together with the coal – into his mouth, and his tongue was burnt.
From this Moses became “heavy of mouth and heavy of tongue.”
I have read this story somewhere before – I believe in one of the books of Enoch. In that version, Balaam, son of Beor, was one of those at the table urging that Moses be executed.
Hi Mike The Quran states that Moses was cured by God through his prayer. The bible demonstrates that Moses made 4 Major speeches as well as delivered the commandments yet there i no mention at all about any difficulty about speaking after his talk with God.
The number of times the Bible says “Moses Said” is 8 times as many as the term “Aaron said”
Hi BD,The bible says Moses was “slow of speech” NOT 'of no speech',
So your evidence is not only contradictory, but flimsy as well.
People from New Jersey can give an hour speech in 40 min.
So it may have taken Moses a little longer than an hour.Ed
Why did the make a golden calf?Quote (bodhitharta @ June 08 2013,14:44) Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2013,18:22) Hi BD, The bible says Moses was “slow of speech” NOT 'of no speech',
So your evidence is not only contradictory, but flimsy as well.
People from New Jersey can give an hour speech in 40 min.
So it may have taken Moses a little longer than an hour.Ed
So you assert that moses was not healed or cured from his speech impediment, correct?
Hi BD,No, I'm suggesting that I don't know,
AND there is no evidence to suggest he was.
At least none that I've seen; why, do you have any?Ed
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 08 2013,14:49) Why did the make a golden calf?
Hi BD,Because they thought something happened to Moses.
Ed
Quote will you accept the Quran as the word of God BD,
It is quite clear from scriptures, that Moses was talking to the god of the world! NOT TO ALLAH!
I accept what the Quran states regarding Moses asked God TO GIVE HIM ARON!
But I also accept, and believe what our bible states, for the simple reason that our bible, which was written by Moses, demonstrates
THAT IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME, MOSES,WITHOUT BEING AWARE OF IT, THROUGH HIS INSISTENCE PUSHED god TO SUGGEST ARON!
So the BIBLE STATES WHAT THE TRUE GOD, (ALLAH) WAS DOING HIDDEN WITHIN MOSES,PUSHING god OF THE WORLD to do the opposite of what he was intended to do!
and the Quran revealed the truth OBVIOUS which was actually hidden, NOT QUITE EVIDENT
FROM THE OTHER HAND OUR BIBLE WAS THE ACTUAL TRUTH FROM THE ACTION POINT OF VIEW. THE WAY WHICH ACTUALLY HAPPENED
I HOPE I AM CLEAR ENOUGH!
THE god THAT SPOKE TO MOSES WAS THE FATHER OF LIES, AND ONE ONLY HAVE TO REFLECT ON HIS WORDS TO BE AWARE OF IT!
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 08 2013,14:49) Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2013,18:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 07 2013,16:49) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2013,12:46) Both Moses and Aaron spoke to Pharaoh. But Ed is right on this one, Asana. Moses was whining because of his speech impediment, and GOD (not Moses) came up with the solution of sending Aaron along with him as his “mouth”. The Midrash relates an interesting tradition: Moses was an exceedingly handsome baby; whoever saw him could not take their eyes off him. Pharaoh would kiss and hug [Moses], and [Moses] would remove the crown from [Pharaoh’s] head and place it on his own—much as he was destined to do in the future…
The Egyptian sorcerers were present [when Moses donned Pharaoh’s crown] and they said, “We are concerned that this [child] who is removing your crown and placing it on his head shouldn’t be the one whom we have foretold will seize the reins of monarchy from you.”
Some of them were advising to behead him; others advised to burn him. Jethro [Moses’ future father-in-law] was sitting among the advisors. He argued that the child had no intelligence [and no omen should be associated with his harmless child’s-play with the crown].
“Test him,” he said. “Bring in front of him a plate of gold and glowing coals. If he reaches for the gold, that is a sign that he has intelligence, and we will execute him. If, however, he reaches for the [bright and glowing] coals, then he is without intelligence, and is not deserving if death.”
They brought [the plate] in front of [Moses], and he immediately reached for the gold. The angel Gabriel came and pushed his hand, and he grabbed the coal. [As is the nature of children,] he [instinctively] shoved his hand – together with the coal – into his mouth, and his tongue was burnt.
From this Moses became “heavy of mouth and heavy of tongue.”
I have read this story somewhere before – I believe in one of the books of Enoch. In that version, Balaam, son of Beor, was one of those at the table urging that Moses be executed.
Hi Mike The Quran states that Moses was cured by God through his prayer. The bible demonstrates that Moses made 4 Major speeches as well as delivered the commandments yet there i no mention at all about any difficulty about speaking after his talk with God.
The number of times the Bible says “Moses Said” is 8 times as many as the term “Aaron said”
Hi BD,The bible says Moses was “slow of speech” NOT 'of no speech',
So your evidence is not only contradictory, but flimsy as well.
People from New Jersey can give an hour speech in 40 min.
So it may have taken Moses a little longer than an hour.Ed
Why did the make a golden calf?
Moses was are former of the previous traditions, rituals, laws and beliefs of the slaves that he lead out of Egypt. Idolatry was one of their practices, that's why he added the prohibition against idol making into the previous commandments.Colter
Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2013,02:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 08 2013,14:44)
So you assert that moses was not healed or cured from his speech impediment, correct?
Hi BD,No, I'm suggesting that I don't know,
AND there is no evidence to suggest he was.
At least none that I've seen; why, do you have any?Ed
I agree with Ed. Is there scriptural evidence of Moses being cured? The fact that he was self conscious about his speech problem would not prohibit him from speaking at all.Perhaps he was afraid to address the hierarchy of Egypt with a speech impediment for fear they would laugh him out of the palace – or not take him seriously.
Obviously, as time (and the plagues) went on, Moses gained a lot of confidence. He realized that it wasn't about him, or the way he talked, but about the fact that God was with him.
That kind of revelation would give anyone a whole lot of confidence they formerly lacked.
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