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[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2012,12:22)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,05:26) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2012,06:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2012,22:54) Yep.  Now answer my question.  Is the child born with SEVERE birth defects a creation of God?  YES or NO? Mike I will answer your question,but first you have to answer mine ok, IF ; I (men) decided to have a kid what his a gift of God to all men ,to procreate ; but all my live I have been a drug abuser and I am under severe addiction medication ,and I have met that women ,that as a drinking problem ,but I like her ,and so we now use our god given power of procreating ; but what happen to the child that an alcoholic women and a drug abuser have now bring forth here is my question ; his God responsible for that couple that brought the child forth Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, Hi Pierre, I present this to you to help you communicate better with others. Usually you post a bunch of verses with little or no explanation as to what message you wish to convey, when pulling one verse out of context may easily work. In this case you don't give any context to the verse you quote, nor enough information as to what point you are trying to make. My guess is, after reading the verse in context, your point is that all children are born according to God's will?   …is that it? God bless Ed J edj Quote My guess is, after reading the verse in context, your point is that all children are born according to God's will?   …is that it? Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, if you understand my lay out and then read the scripture I quoted you should understand that all children are not born through the will of God but are born through the mechanism established by God just as the eating and breathing ,and marriage ,and work, my scripture says that children are born BY HUMAN WILL AND BY HUSBAND WILL, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS THIS  means that it is not God that make you have 5 or 10 or one child ,it is you, me, us human that decided this ,did God tell us how each have to work NO, does God told Us how much money you want or education,NO ect this is why men his responsible for what he does and does not do ,

Hi Pierre,

Thanks for the explanation! Now try to give us
this type of explanation in each post you make, OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,07:39)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2012,12:22) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,05:26) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2012,06:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2012,22:54) Yep.  Now answer my question.  Is the child born with SEVERE birth defects a creation of God?  YES or NO? Mike I will answer your question,but first you have to answer mine ok, IF ; I (men) decided to have a kid what his a gift of God to all men ,to procreate ; but all my live I have been a drug abuser and I am under severe addiction medication ,and I have met that women ,that as a drinking problem ,but I like her ,and so we now use our god given power of procreating ; but what happen to the child that an alcoholic women and a drug abuser have now bring forth here is my question ; his God responsible for that couple that brought the child forth Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, Hi Pierre, I present this to you to help you communicate better with others. Usually you post a bunch of verses with little or no explanation as to what message you wish to convey, when pulling one verse out of context may easily work. In this case you don't give any context to the verse you quote, nor enough information as to what point you are trying to make. My guess is, after reading the verse in context, your point is that all children are born according to God's will?   …is that it? God bless Ed J edj Quote My guess is, after reading the verse in context, your point is that all children are born according to God's will?   …is that it? Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, if you understand my lay out and then read the scripture I quoted you should understand that all children are not born through the will of God but are born through the mechanism established by God just as the eating and breathing ,and marriage ,and work, my scripture says that children are born BY HUMAN WILL AND BY HUSBAND WILL, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS THIS  means that it is not God that make you have 5 or 10 or one child ,it is you, me, us human that decided this ,did God tell us how each have to work NO, does God told Us how much money you want or education,NO ect this is why men his responsible for what he does and does not do , Hi Pierre, Thanks for the explanation! Now try to give us this type of explanation in each post you make, OK? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I will try my friend

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2012,12:24)

IF THERE IS NO SIN IN THE WORLD THAN WHAT IS THERE TO FIX,AND IF THERE IS NOTHING TO FIX, THEN WE WILL NEVER KNOW GOD, OR EVER KNOW THAT HE EVEN EXIST.

Wakeup,

I agree with everything in your post, except for this last part, that I quoted above.

Of course Adam and Eve both knew God long before they sinned.

If there was no sin in the human world, I believe we would not only all still know God, but would most likely know Him on a much more personal level – as did Adam and Eve. If not for the sin, God would walk and talk with us on a regular basis, IMO.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2012,13:44)

here is my question ; his God responsible for that couple that brought the child forth

I'm going to re-word your question to what I THINK you're really asking me:

Is God the one who created this baby that was deformed due to the drug and alcohol intake of the parents?

Your point has merit, Pierre.  But doesn't your understanding go against this scripture:

Malachi 2:10
Have we not all one Father ? Did not one God create us?

Do you suppose Malachi was talking ONLY about human beings who DIDN'T have any defects? Because the way I understand it, God created ALL of us.

The question I've been asking can be answered by a simple YES or NO, but it is not an easy question.  Here it is again:

Is the child born with a severe birth defect STILL a creation of God, like the rest of us?  YES or NO?

So far, I've heard explanation after explanation – but no real ANSWER to my question.

[mikeboll64]

Guys, can we really look at Charles Manson, and truthfully say that he is NOT a creation of God?

If he is not, then WHO is his Creator? I thought there was but ONE Creator in existence.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2013,06:10)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2012,13:44) here is my question ; his God responsible for that couple that brought the child forth I'm going to re-word your question to what I THINK you're really asking me: Is God the one who created this baby that was deformed due to the drug and alcohol intake of the parents? Your point has merit, Pierre.  But doesn't your understanding go against this scripture: Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one Father ? Did not one God create us? Do you suppose Malachi was talking ONLY about human beings who DIDN'T have any defects?  Because the way I understand it, God created ALL of us. The question I've been asking can be answered by a simple YES or NO, but it is not an easy question.  Here it is again: Is the child born with a severe birth defect STILL a creation of God, like the rest of us?  YES or NO? So far, I've heard explanation after explanation – but no real ANSWER to my question.

Mike

yes mike better this way more English

but as for ;Mal 2:10 Have we not all one Father ? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another?(THIS IS RELATED TO THE NATION OF Israel)
did you see it in an true way

were not the men created before the flood the children of God or had they not the same father

what about Jacob twelve sons ,selling their own brother ,killing an entire village for what their sister did and the boy wanted to rectify ,
WHO'S FATHER DID JESUS SAID THAT THE PHARESEES HAD SATAN ?
IF YOUR FATHER WOULD BE GOD THEN PRODUCE THE FRUITS THIER OF AND OBEY THE YOU SAY TO BE SUBMITTED TO

SO TELL ME THE PROCESUS THAT GOD PUT IN PLACE SO THAT REPRODUCTION CAN TAKE PLACE IS THAT WHAT MAKE US AN CREATION OF GOD DID NOT SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT WE ARE BORN IN SIN ???AND SO DESERVE TO DIE YES TO ALL ,SO WHAT IS MAKING US SONS OF GOD IS IT NOT THE SACRIFICE OF HIS SON BLOOD AND US TO WORSHIP HIM IN TRUTH AND SPIRIT YES

IS NOT THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT THIS ARE THEY NOT GOING TO DIE IN THIER OWN SINS BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN REJECTION OF GOD GIFT ???YES

SO WHY ARE THAT TYPE OF BIRTH OCCUR WHO'S RESPONSIBILITY IS IT TO LOOK AFTER THEM

IS THIS NOT THE PARENTS WORK ???YES

BUT IF THEY CAN NOT DO IT THEN WHAT

THEN ONLY GOD CAN HELP,

to answer your question I have to say this ;who knows what really belong to God no one but God .

read this ;

MAL 2:14 “Yet you say, ‘For what reason?’ Because the LORD has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant.
MAL 2:15 “ But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit. And what did that one do while he was seeking a godly offspring? Take heed then to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against the wife of your youth.
MAL 2:16 “For I hate divorce,” says the LORD, the God of Israel, “and him who covers his garment with wrong,” says the LORD of hosts. “So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously.”

Jesus also said that no all are his brothers and sisters …..and only those that obey to what he says ,are

Is the child born with a severe birth defect STILL a creation of God, like the rest of us? YES or NO?

are they a creation of God I believe not ;because they are just human offspring ,just as a dog his the offspring of other dogs and so on, all men are born through the will of men and husband ,to become sons of God we have to be reborn in the spirit ,by living by the spirit and truth ,

but all cases will have to be seen on an individual case ,it is very complex, God only knows .

this is as far that I will go with you my friend

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2013,06:12)

Guys, can we really look at Charles Manson, and truthfully say that he is NOT a creation of God? If he is not, then WHO is his Creator?  I thought there was but ONE Creator in existence.

mike

JN 8:44 “ You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

you talking of Charles Manson what about Hitler ,

just because both are born out of the process of procreation and so are a creation of God plan ,

but scriptures does say that we can serve two master Satan and God ,and so become a child of either one or the other ,

now what did God created wickedness yes or NO

if you say Yes then God as created those children ,if you say NO then God did not created those children ,

so what do you say

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2013,07:57)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2013,06:12) Guys, can we really look at Charles Manson, and truthfully say that he is NOT a creation of God? If he is not, then WHO is his Creator?  I thought there was but ONE Creator in existence. mike JN 8:44 “ You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. you talking of Charles Manson what about Hitler , just because both are born out of the process of procreation and so are a creation of God plan , but scriptures does say that we can serve two master Satan and God ,and so become a child of either one or the other , now what did God created wickedness yes or NO if you say Yes then God as created those children ,if you say NO then God did not created those children , so what do you say

T,

Have you considered that wickedness, being an action, is not considered created?

Righteousness is not created for Jehovah is always continuously righteous.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,14:58)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2013,07:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2013,06:12) Guys, can we really look at Charles Manson, and truthfully say that he is NOT a creation of God? If he is not, then WHO is his Creator?  I thought there was but ONE Creator in existence. mike JN 8:44 “ You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. you talking of Charles Manson what about Hitler , just because both are born out of the process of procreation and so are a creation of God plan , but scriptures does say that we can serve two master Satan and God ,and so become a child of either one or the other , now what did God created wickedness yes or NO if you say Yes then God as created those children ,if you say NO then God did not created those children , so what do you say T, Have you considered that wickedness, being an action, is not considered created? Righteousness is not created for Jehovah is always continuously righteous.

K

witch of the spiritual world did God NOT create

please tell me

witch spirit did he not create

witch spirit did he create

did God only create the physical world

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2013,22:55)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,14:58) T, Have you considered that wickedness, being an action, is not considered created? Righteousness is not created for Jehovah is always continuously righteous. K witch of the spiritual world did God NOT create please tell me witch spirit did he not create witch spirit did he create did God only create the physical world

T,

* Jehovah is not created.
* Jehovah has no ability to be tempted or do evil and therefore is righteous.
* Jehovah does not change.
* Because these three are true righteousness has always existed.  

Wickedness came to be when Satan out of free choice rebelled against Jehovah.

The most you can claim is that Jehovah provided Satan and others with the ability to choose between righteousness and wickedness.

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2013,11:02)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2012,12:24) IF THERE IS NO SIN IN THE WORLD THAN WHAT IS THERE TO FIX,AND IF THERE IS NOTHING TO FIX, THEN WE WILL NEVER KNOW GOD, OR EVER KNOW THAT HE EVEN EXIST. Wakeup, I agree with everything in your post, except for this last part, that I quoted above. Of course Adam and Eve both knew God long before they sinned. If there was no sin in the human world, I believe we would not only all still know God, but would most likely know Him on a much more personal level – as did Adam and Eve.  If not for the sin, God would walk and talk with us on a regular basis, IMO.

Mike B.

Good thinking.

We would hear God talking to us daily;if we can stay as we are, as the world population increases.This we can never know,what we will do,but just following orders.
But there must not be a satan to tempt us,of course.

1. We will only hear his voice,but we can never see him.
2.Because we can never see him,we eventually will start making images of him.And we will all be vegetarians.
We will not even step on an ant; for that is death.

3. God could have given us advice what to do,and what not
to do,daily; but we will be just like robots,with no choices to make of our own.Where does our love for God come in.

4.It will be paradise for ever,and nothing more,and the population will be astronomical.Imagine,birds in a cage.
The cage will be too crouded;then what will we do?

5. Gods plan is to create spirit children like him,so we can see him,and LOVE him as a father that we can see.

6. To become spirit children like him, we also must know good and bad; and the results of good and bad,and to create things.
We need to experience good and bad;and CHOOSE the good.

7 .Still loving God through the sufferings,is a sign of true love.

8. Loving God because he is rich and powerful, and full of gifts is not neccessary true love.

SO THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND BAD,IS A MUST IN GODS PLAN.
As adam needs to fall,tempted by satan.
So Jesus needs to be betrayed by judas, tempted by satan.
For the redemption of sin.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2013,19:47)

Is the child born with a severe birth defect STILL a creation of God, like the rest of us?  YES or NO? are they a creation of God ? I believe not

You are still making good points, Pierre.  But ultimately, as far as I'm concerned, “Sovereign Lord, you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.” (Acts 4:24)

There is no way I could look at a little baby with Down's Syndrome, and think to myself, This little bastard isn't even a creation of God….. poor thing.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,11:30)

Have you considered that wickedness, being an action, is not considered created? Wickedness came to be when Satan out of free choice rebelled against Jehovah. The most you can claim is that Jehovah provided Satan and others with the ability to choose between righteousness and wickedness.

Amen. With this, I agree. God created all things, including Hitler and Manson. He did not, as far as we know, lead either of them to act the way they did. But He did create them.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2013,11:39)

SO THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND BAD,IS A MUST IN GODS PLAN. As adam needs to fall,tempted by satan. So Jesus needs to be betrayed by judas, tempted by satan. For the redemption of sin.

I disagree. Adam and Eve, while having the CHOICE whether or not to listen to the serpent, didn't HAVE TO eat of the fruit for God's plan to be fulfilled.

God makes many plans, and then has to ADJUST them as His creation makes mistakes along the way.

He might be able to KNOW from the beginning what will occur, but that doesn't mean it was His PLAN for Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit.

He merely ADJUSTED His plan after they did.

[mikeboll64]

Wakeup,

I'm awaiting your answer in the “Beginning” thread.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 03 2013,02:21)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2013,19:47) Is the child born with a severe birth defect STILL a creation of God, like the rest of us?  YES or NO? are they a creation of God ? I believe not You are still making good points, Pierre.  But ultimately, as far as I'm concerned, “Sovereign Lord, you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.”  (Acts 4:24) There is no way I could look at a little baby with Down's Syndrome, and think to myself, This little bastard isn't even a creation of God….. poor thing.

Mike

why do you say that I would look it in that way ,

every soul that dies on earth hurts me ,in Africa starvation, wars victims ,deceases ,accidents ,

do you know that all those things happen because of men refusal to submit to God's will

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 03 2013,07:31)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2013,11:39) SO THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND BAD,IS A MUST IN GODS PLAN. As adam needs to fall,tempted by satan. So Jesus needs to be betrayed by judas, tempted by satan. For the redemption of sin. I disagree.  Adam and Eve, while having the CHOICE whether or not to listen to the serpent, didn't HAVE TO eat of the fruit for God's plan to be fulfilled. God makes many plans, and then has to ADJUST them as His creation makes mistakes along the way. He might be able to KNOW from the beginning what will occur, but that doesn't mean it was His PLAN for Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit. He merely ADJUSTED His plan after they did.

Mike B64.

God had already planned from the beginning,before he created the world, and before he created Lucifer.
God can not make mistakes,how can he?
He already knew the out come.

He already can see how things will end up.He already could see the new heaven and the new earth as the result
of his plan.

To say that God had to adjust his plan is ridicules; this only means that he is like us,not perfect.
making mistakes here and there.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2013,17:01)

To say that God had to adjust his plan is ridicules; this only means that he is like us,not perfect. making mistakes here and there.

Genesis 6
5 The Lord saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

6 The Lord was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.

7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.”

Do you suppose God knew ahead of time that men would turn all evil, and He would end up with his heart filled with pain?

I don't say God makes mistakes, Wakeup.  What I think is that, although God CAN see the future at all times, He sometimes CHOOSES to just let things go, and find out how they turn out in their own time.

I don't think God CHOOSES to know ALL outcomes ALL the time.  I think He sometimes likes to just be surprised, like the rest of us.

And there are many instances in scripture where God decides to do one thing, but then changes His mind.

peace,
mike

[terraricca]

K

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The most you can claim is that Jehovah provided Satan and others with the ability to choose between righteousness and wickedness.

that is absolutely true , and they were never forced in it ,but always guided in the right direction,

SO NOW DO YOU AGREE WITH ME ,THAT GOD DID NOT CREATED WICKEDNESS

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 03 2013,10:35)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2013,17:01) To say that God had to adjust his plan is ridicules; this only means that he is like us,not perfect. making mistakes here and there. Genesis 6 5 The Lord saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.” Do you suppose God knew ahead of time that men would turn all evil, and He would end up with his heart filled with pain? I don't say God makes mistakes, Wakeup.  What I think is that, although God CAN see the future at all times, He sometimes CHOOSES to just let things go, and find out how they turn out in their own time. I don't think God CHOOSES to know ALL outcomes ALL the time.  I think He sometimes likes to just be surprised, like the rest of us. And there are many instances in scripture where God decides to do one thing, but then changes His mind. peace, mike

Mike B64.

Do you know that waht had happened to the old world, had to happen that wy? God had to show mankind that he can destroy the earth,and Enoch was saved for a witness.

Do you know that satan was doing a lot of gossiping in heaven, BEFORE the earth was created.
1/3 of the angels in heaven was listening to him?

Satan sinned, BUT IN HIS HEART; HE CAN NOT BE PRONOUNCE GUILTY YET. UNTILL HE ACTUALLY COMMIT THE EVIL THINGS THAT WAS IN HIS HEART.

Seeing all those evil things did make him sad,but it had to be done. It is not that God made a mistake.

wakeup.

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