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Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2012,13:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2012,12:05) Quote (david @ Dec. 14 2012,22:40) I will focus on the realm of spooky, that really “feel” like they are supernaturalish. Youtube: “derren brown undertaker”
There are a few videos of him doing the effect, and also a couple videos of other people doing it.
Okay, what's the catch? People will put the happy, smiling people in the “Like” pile?
This is literally one of the most famous card tricks in the world. It has been done with cards for many decades, separating the colours. Derren added a story and used photos to make the effect truly disturbing.It has nothing to do with the photos themselves.
I will tell you that the camera man was definitely on Darren's side.There was just one moment, one second of sneakiness, that we were not allowed to see.
The way derren did it, it works when viewed by one person. But on camera, watching it more than once, the fishiness would become obvious rather quickly. You still might not understand it at that point.
If you were sitting in front of derren, you would perceive exactly what this undertaker perceived. You would be as confuse as him.
And, if you were religiously inclined, you might believe Darren's story, about some connection or whatever between the living.
Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2012,08:53) Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2012,13:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2012,12:05) Quote (david @ Dec. 14 2012,22:40) I will focus on the realm of spooky, that really “feel” like they are supernaturalish. Youtube: “derren brown undertaker”
There are a few videos of him doing the effect, and also a couple videos of other people doing it.
Okay, what's the catch? People will put the happy, smiling people in the “Like” pile?
This is literally one of the most famous card tricks in the world. It has been done with cards for many decades, separating the colours. Derren added a story and used photos to make the effect truly disturbing.It has nothing to do with the photos themselves.
I will tell you that the camera man was definitely on Darren's side.There was just one moment, one second of sneakiness, that we were not allowed to see.
The way derren did it, it works when viewed by one person. But on camera, watching it more than once, the fishiness would become obvious rather quickly. You still might not understand it at that point.
If you were sitting in front of derren, you would perceive exactly what this undertaker perceived. You would be as confuse as him.
And, if you were religiously inclined, you might believe Darren's story, about some connection or whatever between the living.
davidyou ever watched CANDID CAMERA
FROM THE 60 AND 70SQuote (david @ Dec. 19 2012,16:16) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 18 2012,18:20) david. Is it not obvious that people can prophecy and also prophecy falsely.
Trying to say that all is false makes no sense.
Fakes usually copy real things.
Are you meaning to say prophesy?No one today can predict the future with any accuracy consistently or under test conditions.
There are however 1000 ways to make it appear so.
You are powerless if you believe that all these things are not for God's people. All you have left are arguments to try and discredit all these things. Yet, it is true that much can be discredited. But these fakes exist because the real thing also exists.We believe in the gifts of the Spirit and God gave us his Spirit even until the end.
Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2012,16:46) Quote The man possibly had Asperger syndrome, of which he was cured by Jesus. –kerwin
T8, thoughts?
When an evil spirit inhabits a body, it shows itself in a number of ways. The person could be insane, sick, even almost totally possessed.You have to ask yourself, if these are all just physical ailments, or that the ailment is merely a symptom of something deeper.
I believe the latter. However, I also think that many physical ailments are just that, and are not rooted in a spirit.
e.g., I have a sore back at the moment. I am not going to bother casting out the demon of sore backs because I don't think he exists. And if he did, then what a miserable existence he has.
Some say that a positive attitude helps you to live longer and it is also said that depression can lead to certain medical conditions or even lower the immune system. Who knows, but often things start in the mind and can show up in the body. We need to guard our minds and protect our hearts for our enemy is trying to devour us. Surely if sin leads to death then it can also open the door to all kinds of ailments even the habitation of evil spirits.
Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.Isaiah 26:3
You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you, because he trusts in you.Proverbs 4:23
Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the springs of life.Romans 7:23
But I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.T8,
Scripture testifies that God lives in believers through the Holy Spirit.
Knowing that it seem reasonable that demons live in a person through an unholy spirit.
A man that lives by an unholy spirit, which is a symptom of Asperger's or any other mental disease, has a demon dwelling in him and directing his actions.
This is visible to his fellow men, which is why it is also deemed to be a mental disease.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 18 2012,18:26) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,05:17) So Jesus commanded the Asperger syndrome to “shut up and come out of him”? 
Mike,……..I would hypothesize that the demon struck the man with Asperger's. Once struck the demon came on the man………………
Hi Kerwin,Why would you go to such lengths? Why, in your opinion, would the demon have to strike the man with any affliction in order to “come on him”?
Why couldn't the effects that you're attributing to Asperger syndrome just be the effects that the demon himself was having on the man?
It just seems like you're trying to “make excuses” for what the scripture actually says.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 19 2012,15:06) I am not going to bother casting out the demon of sore backs because I don't think he exists. And if he did, then what a miserable existence he has. 
Quote (david @ Dec. 18 2012,20:53) If you were sitting in front of derren, you would perceive exactly what this undertaker perceived. You would be as confuse as him.
I wasn't sure from the video which one Derrin even was.To me, it didn't even seem like an illusion, but like two people working together.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2012,07:42) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 18 2012,18:26) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,05:17) So Jesus commanded the Asperger syndrome to “shut up and come out of him”?
Mike,……..I would hypothesize that the demon struck the man with Asperger's. Once struck the demon came on the man………………
Hi Kerwin,Why would you go to such lengths? Why, in your opinion, would the demon have to strike the man with any affliction in order to “come on him”?
Why couldn't the effects that you're attributing to Asperger syndrome just be the effects that the demon himself was having on the man?
It just seems like you're trying to “make excuses” for what the scripture actually says.
Mike,I do not know enough about Asperger's to say whether the demon comes and causes the situation or instead comes and takes advantage of the inflicted person's weaknesses that are caused by damage previously “inflicted” by a demon.
I do know that Satan struck Job with a skin ailment, Job 2:7, and that Satan bound a woman with a physically crippled back for 18 years, Luke 13:10-16.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2012,15:26) Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2012,08:53) Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2012,13:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2012,12:05) Quote (david @ Dec. 14 2012,22:40) I will focus on the realm of spooky, that really “feel” like they are supernaturalish. Youtube: “derren brown undertaker”
There are a few videos of him doing the effect, and also a couple videos of other people doing it.
Okay, what's the catch? People will put the happy, smiling people in the “Like” pile?
This is literally one of the most famous card tricks in the world. It has been done with cards for many decades, separating the colours. Derren added a story and used photos to make the effect truly disturbing.It has nothing to do with the photos themselves.
I will tell you that the camera man was definitely on Darren's side.There was just one moment, one second of sneakiness, that we were not allowed to see.
The way derren did it, it works when viewed by one person. But on camera, watching it more than once, the fishiness would become obvious rather quickly. You still might not understand it at that point.
If you were sitting in front of derren, you would perceive exactly what this undertaker perceived. You would be as confuse as him.
And, if you were religiously inclined, you might believe Darren's story, about some connection or whatever between the living.
davidyou ever watched CANDID CAMERA
FROM THE 60 AND 70S
Yes. And?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2012,12:50) Quote (david @ Dec. 18 2012,20:53) If you were sitting in front of derren, you would perceive exactly what this undertaker perceived. You would be as confuse as him.
I wasn't sure from the video which one Derrin even was.To me, it didn't even seem like an illusion, but like two people working together.
“Derren Brown — the undertaker's trick”The other person is not in on it. It would work equally well on you, as it did on the undertaker.
Does everyone here believe that mental illness is actually demon possession?
Has anyone here spent any time studying mental illness?
I have. I have spent a lot of time studying cognitive behaviour therapy (CBT) as well as the cognition a that lead to depression, anxiety disorder, etc.
People that suffer from depression tend to be people that think a certain way–they make about ten thinking errors that lead to depression.
Example: black and white or dichotomous thinking. People with depression see things as either good or bad. No grey areas. They often see things that they themselves do as great or horrible. (No in between. They fail to recognize that there is a middle. These false thinking patterns (10 of them) are what tend to lead to depression. Of course, children that are verbally, physically or sexually a used also have an increased chance of depression.The fact that things like anxiety disorder can be cured (90% success rate, with 10-20% falling back) using CBT, (talk therapy,) reasoning out false thinking patterns, should show that these things are not caused by demons.
It is thinking in certain unhealthy ways that lead to these things (most mental illnesses)
http://powerstates.com/10-cognitive-thinking-errors#.UNKp03y9KK0
Look at this list.
It is the recipe for mental illness.
You will find that people who have depression suffer from these thinking errors.
Quote (david @ Dec. 20 2012,10:47) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2012,15:26) Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2012,08:53) Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2012,13:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2012,12:05) Quote (david @ Dec. 14 2012,22:40) I will focus on the realm of spooky, that really “feel” like they are supernaturalish. Youtube: “derren brown undertaker”
There are a few videos of him doing the effect, and also a couple videos of other people doing it.
Okay, what's the catch? People will put the happy, smiling people in the “Like” pile?
This is literally one of the most famous card tricks in the world. It has been done with cards for many decades, separating the colours. Derren added a story and used photos to make the effect truly disturbing.It has nothing to do with the photos themselves.
I will tell you that the camera man was definitely on Darren's side.There was just one moment, one second of sneakiness, that we were not allowed to see.
The way derren did it, it works when viewed by one person. But on camera, watching it more than once, the fishiness would become obvious rather quickly. You still might not understand it at that point.
If you were sitting in front of derren, you would perceive exactly what this undertaker perceived. You would be as confuse as him.
And, if you were religiously inclined, you might believe Darren's story, about some connection or whatever between the living.
davidyou ever watched CANDID CAMERA
FROM THE 60 AND 70S
Yes. And?
so you have seen how they set people up to fall in their trap right so their are many that play in the game ,and so it is with Illusions,,
David,
Demons dwell in people through their desires, of which depression is one. If that desire of depression can be “cured” by doctrine then the demon has nowhere to dwell.
According to Scripture Jesus was accused of having a demon and being manic by those that hoped to undermine his creditability.
Jesus is never said to cure any type of mental disease and yet he cast out many demons who caused similar symptoms.
Quote (david @ Dec. 20 2012,19:01) Does everyone here believe that mental illness is actually demon possession?
Jesus did in some cases at least.
Was he wrong?Quote (david @ Dec. 20 2012,19:03) You will find that people who have depression suffer from these thinking errors.
Joy is of the Spirit and I would say that depression is an opposite of joy.So lack of God's Spirit means lack of God's help and spiritual wellbeing. From there, the lack of God so to speak filters down into the body and mind to perhaps produce all manner of ailments and failings.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 20 2012,14:18) Quote (david @ Dec. 20 2012,19:03) You will find that people who have depression suffer from these thinking errors.
Joy is of the Spirit and I would say that depression is an opposite of joy.So lack of God's Spirit means lack of God's help and spiritual wellbeing. From there, the lack of God so to speak filters down into the body and mind to perhaps produce all manner of ailments and failings.
t8this is very true, and produce lots of frustration, nervous breakdown ,depressions from not be able to face realities of this world ,turning to abuses to find a solution, and ….
that is not Gods way
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 20 2012,19:14) Quote (david @ Dec. 20 2012,19:01) Does everyone here believe that mental illness is actually demon possession?
Jesus did in some cases at least.
Was he wrong?
T8,Kerwin said:
“Jesus is never said to cure any type of mental disease and yet he cast out many demons who caused similar symptoms.”
This subject could easily be another thread in itself. I've been lacking time.
Do most here basically agree that what people call mental illness is actually demons torturing the minds of see people?
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