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Quote (david @ Dec. 12 2012,08:17) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,13:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2012,19:22) Mike this is so true ,and I know for i lived the experience ,I will not relive that again ,
stay with what is of God ,
Amen, Pierre.
Now that we are done high-fiving each other, what are we referring to not reliving?It occurs to me that recently i was involved in what could be a very weird experience. Someone was vacuuming a hallway in a condo building outside the door. I peaked my head out as the person was walking back to unplug the vacuum. I twirled the vacuum around the cord twice and tucked myself back into my door as she turned around. Somehow, I think it was timed just about perfectly.
Now, she will either think:
1. There are pranksters in the building who have impeccable timing, OR
2. Magic, demons, unexplainable, aliens, etc.Imagine if she had previously been told the building was haunted. Her imagination would do the rest. If just a couple things like this happened to her, especially in a short time period, I would think she would be quite freaked out.
davidjust once;what do you think the devil needs you to do as a true worshiper of God so that he can have a free hand on you
you answer that question ,I am done on thisQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2012,20:23) I am done on this
Amen again!
David, I believe in the existence of demons, and that they play an active part in the affairs of human beings – just like they did when Jesus walked the earth.
You don't believe that.
I won't even change your mind with my words, and you'll never change my mind by continuing to point out the OBVIOUS fact that some “magic” is really just a hoax or an illusion.
I feel we've reached an impasse on this subject.
Take care.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2012,12:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2012,20:23) I am done on this
Amen again!David, I believe in the existence of demons, and that they play an active part in the affairs of human beings – just like they did when Jesus walked the earth.
You don't believe that.
I won't even change your mind with my words, and you'll never change my mind by continuing to point out the OBVIOUS fact that some “magic” is really just a hoax or an illusion.
I feel we've reached an impasse on this subject.
Take care.
Bye bye.Mike, I can point out a million instances of “fraud and villainy.”
We only need one instance where something “spooky” happens under test conditions. Every day I watch “spooky” type things, spend time replicating and creating such things. This doesn't make me biased but it does make me aware of deception. When something occurs that I can't explain, I watch it again and again and again, think about it, and if I must, I ask people more knowledgable than I. And if even they don't know, in that case, we have a genuine mystery.
And I look forward to that day. It's what keeps me going.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2012,12:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2012,20:23) I am done on this
Amen again!David, I believe in the existence of demons, and that they play an active part in the affairs of human beings – just like they did when Jesus walked the earth.
You don't believe that.
I won't even change your mind with my words, and you'll never change my mind by continuing to point out the OBVIOUS fact that some “magic” is really just a hoax or an illusion.
I feel we've reached an impasse on this subject.
Take care.
I try not to point out OBVIOUS deception where something is obviously a trick. I feel it's better to find things that seem so impossible, very few would think of the solution. Things that seem incredibly impossible. Then, the person thinks: “I have no idea how this works.”It's then that I would point out: Not knowing how something works or the mechanics or brain mechanics behind something doesn't mean we can impose an argument from ignorance into it.
ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE: I don't know how that happens, therefore…demons. Or, therefore, aliens. Or, therefore, whatever.
It's not rational. Of course these personal experiences (anecdotal evidence) is the strongest proof to the observer. But, anecdotal evidence is the worst evidence there is. Bring it into the laboratory. Put it before someone who is trained in deception. Put a camera on it. Rinse and repeat.
Mike, do these instances of demon weirdness ever happen around atheists, or people who don't believe that they happen?
Quote (david @ Dec. 13 2012,20:20) Mike, do these instances of demon weirdness ever happen around atheists, or people who don't believe that they happen?
Have you never watched a horror film, David? Do the evil demons just go after Christians in those films?Is it only Christians who go to see those movies? Is it only Christians who are so freaked out by the movie that they are sometimes too scared to turn off the lights when they get home? Is it only Christians who have had Ouija Board experiences that freaked them out?
Demons and supernatural evil forces gave me the heeby-jeebies long before I ever believed in the God of the Hebrews. In other words, I believed in “other wordly forces” even when I was an atheist. (At that time, I believed in the supernatural spirit world – just not in a caring, loving Creator who would allow His world to go so horribly bad.)
Quote (david @ Dec. 13 2012,20:12) Mike, I can point out a million instances of “fraud and villainy.”
Cool. Then let's dedicate this thread to posting videos of magic acts, and you can tell us all how they're done.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2012,12:22) Quote (david @ Dec. 13 2012,20:12) Mike, I can point out a million instances of “fraud and villainy.”
Cool. Then let's dedicate this thread to posting videos of magic acts, and you can tell us all how they're done.
I will focus on the realm of spooky, that really “feel” like they are supernaturalish.Youtube: “derren brown undertaker”
There are a few videos of him doing the effect, and also a couple videos of other people doing it.
Quote Is it only Christians who have had Ouija Board experiences that freaked them out? Close to my question. My question was more of one of belief. Do these things only happen around people who already believe they happen or perhaps want to believe they happen?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2012,12:20) Quote (david @ Dec. 13 2012,20:20) Mike, do these instances of demon weirdness ever happen around atheists, or people who don't believe that they happen?
Have you never watched a horror film, David? Do the evil demons just go after Christians in those films?Is it only Christians who go to see those movies? Is it only Christians who are so freaked out by the movie that they are sometimes too scared to turn off the lights when they get home? Is it only Christians who have had Ouija Board experiences that freaked them out?
Demons and supernatural evil forces gave me the heeby-jeebies long before I ever believed in the God of the Hebrews. In other words, I believed in “other wordly forces” even when I was an atheist. (At that time, I believed in the supernatural spirit world – just not in a caring, loving Creator who would allow His world to go so horribly bad.)
Of course we figured out long ago how to turn someone's imagination against them.And of course non-believers are frightened at watching those types of movies, just the way many children are afraid of the dark. (And adults too)
Most people, when watching a movie, suspend disbelief. It's something people also do when watching magic tricks.
If I am watching a trick, the first time I see it, I often suspend disbelief, so I can feel that sense of wonder, and feel the mystery. But the second time and 20th time, I am solving a puzzle. It's fun to suspend disbelief. We do this when watching movies. We try to let the movie be real in our minds, even if we don't believe in such things. This suspension of disbelief is what allows us to not watch movies critically and to enjoy and Become immersed in the story.
I've pretty much figured out how to freak myself out in a dark room. It's really one of this all in your head type things. Tests have been done where they put people in a dark room, and also put other people in the same dark room with one added thing–a story. Those that hear the story that the room is haunted or that it is the basement of an old church, these people tend to slowly let their own mind betray them. They let their imaginations run with the SUGGESTION that was given them. Pretty soon they are seeing things that aren't there, much the way a child senses monsters under his bed or in his closet. A flashlight quickly makes the feeling disappear. Flashlights shouldn't make invisible demons disappear. But once we see with light, our mind cancels out the imaginings it created, and the feeling is gone.
How do you know it wasn't just your imagination that was giving you the heeby jeebies?
I'm sure it was my imagination – seeing how no demon ever tapped me on the shoulder and said, “BOO!” after wathing one of those movies.
The point is that I believed in the REAL existence of other wordly forces even when I didn't believe in the God of the Hebrews.
I'm trying to address your claim that atheists don't believe in demons or Ouija Board encounters with them. That is simply not true. I am living proof.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2012,06:55) I'm sure it was my imagination – seeing how no demon ever tapped me on the shoulder and said, “BOO!” after wathing one of those movies. The point is that I believed in the REAL existence of other wordly forces even when I didn't believe in the God of the Hebrews.
I'm trying to address your claim that atheists don't believe in demons or Ouija Board encounters with them. That is simply not true. I am living proof.
TO AD TO YOUR WORDS ;an lie is just as powerful as the truth ,only the one that ears it makes a differenceQuote (david @ Dec. 14 2012,22:40) I will focus on the realm of spooky, that really “feel” like they are supernaturalish. Youtube: “derren brown undertaker”
There are a few videos of him doing the effect, and also a couple videos of other people doing it.
Okay, what's the catch? People will put the happy, smiling people in the “Like” pile?david.
Is it not obvious that people can prophecy and also prophecy falsely.
Trying to say that all is false makes no sense.
Fakes usually copy real things.
David,
I do know Satan strikes people with illness and tempts people because reliable witnesses have written that it is so. I know that demons serve Satan and so are his agents.
Reliable witnesses also tell me that a man who spoke loudly in the synagogue was demon possessed even though he acknowledge Jesus as the Holy One of God.
Luke 4:32-36
King James Version (KJV)32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.
33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
34 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
35 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.
36 And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out.The man possibly had Asperger syndrome, of which he was cured by Jesus.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,05:17) So Jesus commanded the Asperger syndrome to “shut up and come out of him”? 
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,05:17) So Jesus commanded the Asperger syndrome to “shut up and come out of him”?
Mike,It is written that Satan struck Job with boils and today we know boils are are a skin disease.
Going by that example I would hypothesize that the demon struck the man with Asperger's. Once struck the demon came on the man, just as one did on King Saul, and spoke and acted through him.
A demon threw a javelin at David while it was upon Saul.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2012,12:05) Quote (david @ Dec. 14 2012,22:40) I will focus on the realm of spooky, that really “feel” like they are supernaturalish. Youtube: “derren brown undertaker”
There are a few videos of him doing the effect, and also a couple videos of other people doing it.
Okay, what's the catch? People will put the happy, smiling people in the “Like” pile?
This is literally one of the most famous card tricks in the world. It has been done with cards for many decades, separating the colours. Derren added a story and used photos to make the effect truly disturbing.It has nothing to do with the photos themselves.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 18 2012,18:20) david. Is it not obvious that people can prophecy and also prophecy falsely.
Trying to say that all is false makes no sense.
Fakes usually copy real things.
Are you meaning to say prophesy?No one today can predict the future with any accuracy consistently or under test conditions.
There are however 1000 ways to make it appear so.
Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2012,08:16) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 18 2012,18:20) david. Is it not obvious that people can prophecy and also prophecy falsely.
Trying to say that all is false makes no sense.
Fakes usually copy real things.
Are you meaning to say prophesy?No one today can predict the future with any accuracy consistently or under test conditions.
There are however 1000 ways to make it appear so.
YEAH, PROBALITIES,AND CAREFULLY CHOSEN WORDS
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