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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,13:59) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,05:53) Mike We are debating scriptures Mike, not conjecture.
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; “THIS DAY” have I begotten thee. Pss 2:7
Hi WJ,Why not answer the questions I just asked JA. And when you're done, you can explain why you think none of the early church “fathers” thought like you do.
Were they not aware of Hebrews 1? Or do you think that, like me, they just took Paul's quotation of Psalm 2 to be explaining that Jesus IS the Son of God, not WHEN he became that.mike
MikeYour questions are diversions because it doesn't matter what day he was begotten on. What matters is it was “ON A DAY” and that was after the beginning of all things.
WJ
You forgot this part Keith.And when you're done, you can explain why you think none of the early church “fathers” thought like you do. Were they not aware of Hebrews 1? Or do you think that, like me, they just took Paul's quotation of Psalm 2 to be explaining that Jesus IS the Son of God, not WHEN he became that.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,14:13) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,13:59) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,05:53) Mike We are debating scriptures Mike, not conjecture.
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; “THIS DAY” have I begotten thee. Pss 2:7
Hi WJ,Why not answer the questions I just asked JA. And when you're done, you can explain why you think none of the early church “fathers” thought like you do.
Were they not aware of Hebrews 1? Or do you think that, like me, they just took Paul's quotation of Psalm 2 to be explaining that Jesus IS the Son of God, not WHEN he became that.mike
MikeYour questions are diversions because it doesn't matter what day he was begotten on. What matters is it was “ON A DAY” and that was after the beginning of all things.
WJ
You forgot this part Keith.And when you're done, you can explain why you think none of the early church “fathers” thought like you do. Were they not aware of Hebrews 1? Or do you think that, like me, they just took Paul's quotation of Psalm 2 to be explaining that Jesus IS the Son of God, not WHEN he became that.
MikeAgain, we are talking about scriptures. You want to go to the early church Fathers who used ambiguous language and who obviously even among themselves disagreed.
Scriptures Mike. Thats what we are talking about.
Do you think that they can prove scripturally that there was a day before the beginning?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,02:19) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,03:35) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,08:43) Hi all! It has been claimed by some that the majority on this forum believed that Jesus was begotten before the ages or time as the Only Begotten Son of God born from Gods own body through procreation.
When was Jesus “begotten”?
What say you?
WJ
The son (the Word/Jesus) was not procreated, he was created. Jesus himself said, he is the beginning of God's “CREATION”, Rev. 3:14.
You can read about “His” beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.Georg
So God created his own word?So what did God use to create the Word since the Word was used in the creating of all things?
Was God ever without his Word?
Thats like saying there was a time that God did not have thoughts or reason. Foolishness!
WJ
God has always existed. God has a mind just as we have, he created us that way; that is the image he created us in, it allows us to communicate with God; no animal can do that.
Having a mind means, he thinks, he plans, he works things out, like an architect making blueprints.
You ask, “””So what did God use to create the Word since the Word was used in the creating of all things?”””
What did God use to create the universe, there was nothing for him to use, he created all from nothing.Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
How were all the other angels created?
You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””
If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.
Why did John refer to Jesus as the word? Here is the reason.Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
No one has “ever” heard the voice of the Father, but they have heard the voice of the “word/son”.
Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Jhn 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Whatever Jesus spoke were the words of his Father, they came from the Father first before the son spoke them to us, that is why John referred to Jesus as the word, he was and is God's spokes-person.
Foolishness is what you think the “word” is.
Georg
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:24) Do you think that they can prove scripturally that there was a day before the beginning?
NO. Can you prove there wasn't? So there ya go.My point is that some of these guys, especially Eusebius were the most learned theologians of their day……don't you think they knew scriptures? Why didn't they take the Paul quotes as the three J's do?
mike
Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,06:40) Whatever Jesus spoke were the words of his Father, they came from the Father first before the son spoke them to us, that is why John referred to Jesus as the word, he was and is God's spokes-person.
Exactly Georg! And God personally called the spokesmen for the king of Assyria “underlings” and “servants”.Jesus is God's spokesman and servant. He was then, and he is still.
mike
Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40) You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””
If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.
Why did John refer to Jesus as the word? Here is the reason.
God was never without his Word.There is no scripture that says Jesus who is called the “Word of God” was created.
Proverbs 8 is merely speculation because the “Word” or Jesus name is not in Prov 8.
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,14:43) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:24) Do you think that they can prove scripturally that there was a day before the beginning?
NO. Can you prove there wasn't? So there ya go.My point is that some of these guys, especially Eusebius were the most learned theologians of their day……don't you think they knew scriptures? Why didn't they take the Paul quotes as the three J's do?
mike
MikeThe facts are Pss 2:7 shows he was begotten on a day.
The facts are there is no days before the beginning.
But you again assert conjecture as if it is fact.
You are amazing man.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,05:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,13:54) You are no match for me, spirit and scripture working together, man.
He is beating his chest again!
Keith,First Mike commmits blasphemy against the Son by saying that He is a god in the “same sense” as satan. Then he blasphemes YHWH by saying that Moses assigned that name to angels too. Hebrews says that angels weren't even called “Son.” Yet Mike wants us to believe that Moses referred to angels as “YHWH.”
Jack
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:52) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40) You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””
If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.
Why did John refer to Jesus as the word? Here is the reason.
God was never without his Word.There is no scripture that says Jesus who is called the “Word of God” was created.
Proverbs 8 is merely speculation because the “Word” or Jesus name is not in Prov 8.
WJ
I am surprised you didn't say, Pr. 8:22-31 was the beginning of wisdom; that is what I was told by some ministers.
What do you think those scriptures are saying, who do they refer to? have you actually read them?
Let me put them up for you.Pro 8:22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
Pro 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
Pro 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water;
Pro 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,
Pro 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pro 8:28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pro 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pro 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,
Pro 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.
I am trying to help you understand, nothing more.
If this doesn't show you the preexistence of Jesus, nothing else will.Georg
Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:52) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40) You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””
If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.
Why did John refer to Jesus as the word? Here is the reason.
God was never without his Word.There is no scripture that says Jesus who is called the “Word of God” was created.
Proverbs 8 is merely speculation because the “Word” or Jesus name is not in Prov 8.
WJ
I am surprised you didn't say, Pr. 8:22-31 was the beginning of wisdom; that is what I was told by some ministers.
What do you think those scriptures are saying, who do they refer to? have you actually read them?
Let me put them up for you.Pro 8:22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
Pro 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
Pro 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water;
Pro 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,
Pro 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pro 8:28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pro 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pro 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,
Pro 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.
I am trying to help you understand, nothing more.
If this doesn't show you the preexistence of Jesus, nothing else will.Georg
GeorgeI believe in the Preexistence of Jesus. But I do not believe Prov 8 is speaking of Jesus.
I think he is just talking about personified wisdom for all through Proverbs he speaks of wisdom.
It is merely conjecture to say this is the “Word” or “Jesus”. Why would Solomon give wisdom a female gender?
WJ
Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,07:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:52) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40) You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””
If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.
Why did John refer to Jesus as the word? Here is the reason.
God was never without his Word.There is no scripture that says Jesus who is called the “Word of God” was created.
Proverbs 8 is merely speculation because the “Word” or Jesus name is not in Prov 8.
WJ
I am surprised you didn't say, Pr. 8:22-31 was the beginning of wisdom; that is what I was told by some ministers.
What do you think those scriptures are saying, who do they refer to? have you actually read them?
Let me put them up for you.Pro 8:22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
Pro 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
Pro 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water;
Pro 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,
Pro 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pro 8:28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pro 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pro 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,
Pro 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.
I am trying to help you understand, nothing more.
If this doesn't show you the preexistence of Jesus, nothing else will.Georg
Proverbs is one of the books of poetry. Wisdom is personified throughout the book and is even likened to a housewife in chapter 9. Wisdom in Proverbs is not a reference to Christ.God said that there was no god formed before or AFTER Him (Is. 43:10).
the Roo
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,07:20) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:52) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40) You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””
If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.
Why did John refer to Jesus as the word? Here is the reason.
God was never without his Word.There is no scripture that says Jesus who is called the “Word of God” was created.
Proverbs 8 is merely speculation because the “Word” or Jesus name is not in Prov 8.
WJ
I am surprised you didn't say, Pr. 8:22-31 was the beginning of wisdom; that is what I was told by some ministers.
What do you think those scriptures are saying, who do they refer to? have you actually read them?
Let me put them up for you.Pro 8:22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
Pro 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
Pro 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water;
Pro 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,
Pro 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pro 8:28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pro 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pro 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,
Pro 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.
I am trying to help you understand, nothing more.
If this doesn't show you the preexistence of Jesus, nothing else will.Georg
GeorgeI believe in the Preexistence of Jesus. But I do not believe Prov 8 is speaking of Jesus.
I think he is just talking about personified wisdom for all through Proverbs he speaks of wisdom.
It is merely conjecture to say this is the “Word” or “Jesus”. Why would Solomon give wisdom a female gender?
WJ
Like I said, you can believe what ever you want, but,…if this is speaking of wisdom, are you suggesting God had to create wisdom? if he had to create it, what gave him the wisdom to create it?
Pure nonsense.What is you reason to refuse to believe truth?
Georg
Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,19:35) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,08:43) Hi all! It has been claimed by some that the majority on this forum believed that Jesus was begotten before the ages or time as the Only Begotten Son of God born from Gods own body through procreation.
When was Jesus “begotten”?
What say you?
WJ
The son (the Word/Jesus) was not procreated, he was created. Jesus himself said, he is the beginning of God's “CREATION”, Rev. 3:14.
You can read about “His” beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.Georg
The word “arche” means “ruler” (Rev. 3:14 NIV). Christ is the RULER of the creation of God.People are confused about this thanks to the “mighty” king James.
the Roo
Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,07:34) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,07:20) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:52) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40) You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””
If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.
Why did John refer to Jesus as the word? Here is the reason.
God was never without his Word.There is no scripture that says Jesus who is called the “Word of God” was created.
Proverbs 8 is merely speculation because the “Word” or Jesus name is not in Prov 8.
WJ
I am surprised you didn't say, Pr. 8:22-31 was the beginning of wisdom; that is what I was told by some ministers.
What do you think those scriptures are saying, who do they refer to? have you actually read them?
Let me put them up for you.Pro 8:22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
Pro 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
Pro 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water;
Pro 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,
Pro 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pro 8:28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pro 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pro 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,
Pro 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.
I am trying to help you understand, nothing more.
If this doesn't show you the preexistence of Jesus, nothing else will.Georg
GeorgeI believe in the Preexistence of Jesus. But I do not believe Prov 8 is speaking of Jesus.
I think he is just talking about personified wisdom for all through Proverbs he speaks of wisdom.
It is merely conjecture to say this is the “Word” or “Jesus”. Why would Solomon give wisdom a female gender?
WJ
Like I said, you can believe what ever you want, but,…if this is speaking of wisdom, are you suggesting God had to create wisdom? if he had to create it, what gave him the wisdom to create it?
Pure nonsense.What is you reason to refuse to believe truth?
Georg
Georg,No! You are the one gurgitating “pure nonsense.” Wisdom is called “she” and a “woman” in chapter 9. It's figurative dude! Use the mind God gave you!
the Roo
Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:34) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,07:20) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:52) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40) You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””
If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.
Why did John refer to Jesus as the word? Here is the reason.
God was never without his Word.There is no scripture that says Jesus who is called the “Word of God” was created.
Proverbs 8 is merely speculation because the “Word” or Jesus name is not in Prov 8.
WJ
I am surprised you didn't say, Pr. 8:22-31 was the beginning of wisdom; that is what I was told by some ministers.
What do you think those scriptures are saying, who do they refer to? have you actually read them?
Let me put them up for you.Pro 8:22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
Pro 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
Pro 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water;
Pro 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,
Pro 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pro 8:28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pro 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pro 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,
Pro 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.
I am trying to help you understand, nothing more.
If this doesn't show you the preexistence of Jesus, nothing else will.Georg
GeorgeI believe in the Preexistence of Jesus. But I do not believe Prov 8 is speaking of Jesus.
I think he is just talking about personified wisdom for all through Proverbs he speaks of wisdom.
It is merely conjecture to say this is the “Word” or “Jesus”. Why would Solomon give wisdom a female gender?
WJ
Like I said, you can believe what ever you want, but,…if this is speaking of wisdom, are you suggesting God had to create wisdom? if he had to create it, what gave him the wisdom to create it?
Pure nonsense.What is you reason to refuse to believe truth?
Georg
GeorgeAre you saying there was a time God did not have wisdom?
Pro 8:22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
Pro 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
It says the Lord brought wisdom forth not created, and what does “appointed from eternity mean” unless wisdom was from eternity?
It is pure nonsense to say Jesus was created which would make him of the created order like everything else.
All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him “nothing came into being that has come into being“. John 1:1-3
If “nothing came into being that has come into being” without him then he could not have been part of the created for he did not create himself.
What is your reason to believe that at some point from eternity God did not have wisdom?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,14:43) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:24) Do you think that they can prove scripturally that there was a day before the beginning?
NO. Can you prove there wasn't? So there ya go.My point is that some of these guys, especially Eusebius were the most learned theologians of their day……don't you think they knew scriptures? Why didn't they take the Paul quotes as the three J's do?
mike
MikeThe facts are Pss 2:7 shows he was begotten on a day.
The facts are there is no days before the beginning.
But you again assert conjecture as if it is fact.
You are amazing man.
WJ
Hi WJ,Thank you……I never thought of myself as “amazing”, but thanks brother!
You said:
Quote The facts are Pss 2:7 shows he was begotten on a day.
No, the facts say he was BEGOTTEN during a specific “period'.
You have no clue whether there were “days” before the beginning of our system of things, so why do you put so much weight on the “today”? You should be dealing with the fact the Hebrew word yalad means brought forth. In almost every case, it has to do with the “bringing forth” of offspring. And since the preceeding words in this case are “You are my Son”, isn't is safe to assume this particuar “bringing forth” has to do with offspring?Deal with the MAIN thought here, not the diversion of “today”, because you have no idea about “days” before the days we are familiar with, nor should you rule out the possibility that God was just using terminology we would be familiar with.
Deal with the yalad part, Keith.
mike
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2010,16:43) Hi all! It has been claimed by some that the majority on this forum believed that Jesus was begotten before the ages or time as the Only Begotten Son of God born from Gods own body through procreation.
When was Jesus “begotten”?
What say you?
WJ
Keith,Your question is confusing to me. When you use the name “Jesus” that refers to the one born of Mary. The Son of God was not named Jesus until the incarnation. If you are asking when the Son of God was begotten of God, then that would be before the ages. You go by the Athanasian Creed and it tells you your answer as to when the Son was begotten containing the essence of the Father and when He was born containing the essence of Mary. These were two different occasions. So do you or don't you agree with the Athanasian Creed?
Quote Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Essence of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Essence of his Mother, born in the world. You add “from God's own body through procreation” and that adds a new question.
I think you should be asking one thing at a time…like, when was the Son begotten as the 'Only begotten Son.” Then list your choices. Another poll can handle the procreation/creation/designation question. imo
So, I say the only begotten Son of God was begotten before the ages and the Son of Man was born in the world, during the ages.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,07:29) God said that there was no god formed before or AFTER Him (Is. 43:10).
Isaiah 43:10 NET
You are my witnesses,” says the Lord, “my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may consider and believe in me, and understand that I am he. No god was formed before me, and none will outlive me.This is closer to the thought God was making known IMO. It doesn't say no god was “formed” after Him, just before Him. This translation is more inline with scripture in which God many times calls others gods. It would seem strange for God to say there were no other gods at all, and then mention many gods througout scripture. Weren't Paul's words about the god of this age inspired of God?
mike
Mike,
I had a thought about the 'no god formed before me' phrase. If the unbegotten God is speaking here, He may be saying that no unbegotten God will be formed before Him or after Him. Obviously 'formed' gods were made by man in stone and wood and money, etc. So, I think He is referring to 'unbegotten gods' here.Mike……….Isa 45:5…. I am the LORD and there is (NONE) else, there is (NO) God besides (ME).
Isa 43:10….> Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant, whim I have chosen: that you may know and Believe me, and understand the (I) am he: before me there was (NO) GOD formed< Neither shall the Be (AFTER ME). Many more show there is only (ONE) true GOD, If you are in dought Believe what Jesus said in Prayer, "FOR THOU ARE THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD".
peace and love ……………………….gene
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