PROPHECY… For Pierre and Devo

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PS…to Mike… Before this discussion with Pierre goes any further, I forgot to thank you before i answered Pierre, for going to the trouble of posting all my posts, thank you for your effort Mike. Cheers.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2012,02:31) Quote (Devolution @ July 14 2012,09:18) Hi Pierre, Sorry Pierre, no, we are not 100% in agreement. Let me please explain… Quote and that the legs of iron and feet of iron and  and clay mix,is Rome the sixth world power on earth Daniel 2:40    And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron, forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things, and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. Daniel 2:41    And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided, but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron. *Pierre, this is my question before we go any further…was the Roman Empire still united (West & East/two legs) when Christ was crucified & resurrected & even up to Pentecost & beyond? Cheers Devo let not men interfere with what is said in scriptures , now when was Gods kingdom set up because that would be also the end of the statue RIGHT ???YES. Hi Pierre, Quote Devo let not men interfere with what is said in scriptures. Pierre, that assumption was unnecessary.   My question was indeed valid. With all humility & honesty, from Christian to Christian….Too bad if you didn't like it, because this is not about you, and it is not about me, it is about the truth, which is greater than us both. So let us let the scriptures speak for themself. You did not answer my very valid & 100% scripturally based question on this subject you wanted to bring to the hot seat. So since you were wanting to take advantage of my openess to you on this subject by goading me on by feigning interest in what i was saying, after all the time i put into formulating my answers for you, hoping to catch me out on something you perceived as wrong, then it is up to you to make damn sure it is in fact not you who is actually wrong. Again, please address this very critical question, which, if unanswered, undoes your whole interpretation from the very get go, so you need to prove what you are saying, because, in all honesty, it is going against what is in the scriptures. *Daniel stated clearly, that the 4th kingdom (Rome) would break in pieces and bruise before Christ would set up His kingdom! *You say that the resurrection was when Christ's kingdom was set up… *Rome had not yet broken in pieces & bruised at that point & even till way way after was still strong as iron and still a united Empire! *Not only that, your version also leaves out the 7th empire which also had to come before Christ sets up His kingdom? Rome was only the 6th empire! *So you need to answer the scriptures to these critical questions which already bring your version into great dispute. *If you can not answer, with scripture backingthen i will consider it an admission that you are unable to harmonize your interpretation with the truth, thereby, by default, proving your version as error. Take your time, i have nothing to prove, i am secure in what the Lord has shown me, the onus is actually on you Pierre, i tried to show you with all humility and brotherly outreach, i really did, but since you wanted to play it this way, then let's play it right and answer my question that is scripturally sound and 100% valid. Did the Roman Empire divide when Christ was resurrected? or did it divide at Pentecost? or did it divide 400 odd years later?. Thank you.

Devo

you have jumped to conclusion ,and jump further in time ,what I want to bring to your attention ,is what scriptures says first ,latter we can discuss what it could mean or what we think it means ,

but for now lets set what scriptures say and do not say,

so please follow me in the scriptures and walk together as we know the written word of God ,

so can you answer my question

1) now when was Gods kingdom set up

2)because that would be also the end of the statue RIGHT ???YES.(the end of the statue does not mean the end of this world but that Gods chosen King is put in power )

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devo

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*Pierre, this is my question before we go any further…was the Roman Empire still united (West & East/two legs) when Christ was crucified & resurrected & even up to Pentecost & beyond?

this is history;that Rome divided into east and west around the fourth century (Constantinople and Rome )
but to make it the TWO LEGS this I can not see in scriptures ;and if you talk about the legs why do you not use the same analogy to the harms

so show me in scriptures what you see ;not what you believe it should be ,

are you trying to make the SCRIPTURES TO FIT HISTORY OF MEN OR ARE WE LOOKING WHAT GODS PLAN IS ,SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT .THOSE ARE VERY OPOSED DIRECTIONS I WOULD SAY

and understand the fact that the ROCK falls on the feet of the statue and break it ,does not mean that it is the end of the world ,but only the end of God not having a kingdom that will replace all other kingdom and himself will never be replace and forever,
history of men is irrelevant to Gods will ;men has to go to God to be saved not the other way around ,SO THE QUESTION IS WHEN DID GOD SETUP HIS KINGDOM

Daniel 2:41
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NET © In that you were seeing feet and toes 1 partly of wet clay 2 and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom. Some of the strength of iron will be in it, for you saw iron mixed with wet clay. 3

NIV ©
Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay.

NASB ©
“In that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have in it the toughness of iron, inasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with common clay.

NLT ©
The feet and toes you saw that were a combination of iron and clay show that this kingdom will be divided.

MSG ©
“But then the feet and toes that ended up as a mixture of ceramic and iron will deteriorate into a mongrel kingdom with some remains of iron in it. Just as the toes of the feet were part ceramic and part iron,

BBE ©
And as you saw the feet and toes, part of potter’s work and part of iron, there will be a division in the kingdom; but there will be some of the strength of iron in it, because you saw the iron mixed with the potter’s earth.

NRSV ©
As you saw the feet and toes partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but some of the strength of iron shall be in it, as you saw the iron mixed with the clay.

NKJV ©
“Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay.

what this scripture says is not that Roman empire his divided but that within their is an division and this is true, read the history of Rome (but the division was not there in the beginning of the empire ,this is why the legs are of iron but the division was their wen Christ came ,read history,)

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Quote (Devolution @ July 15 2012,10:19) Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2012,02:31) Quote (Devolution @ July 14 2012,09:18) Hi Pierre, Sorry Pierre, no, we are not 100% in agreement. Let me please explain… Quote and that the legs of iron and feet of iron and  and clay mix,is Rome the sixth world power on earth Daniel 2:40    And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron, forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things, and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. Daniel 2:41    And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters clay and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided, but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron. *Pierre, this is my question before we go any further…was the Roman Empire still united (West & East/two legs) when Christ was crucified & resurrected & even up to Pentecost & beyond? Cheers Devo let not men interfere with what is said in scriptures , now when was Gods kingdom set up because that would be also the end of the statue RIGHT ???YES. Hi Pierre, Quote Devo let not men interfere with what is said in scriptures. Pierre, that assumption was unnecessary.   My question was indeed valid. With all humility & honesty, from Christian to Christian….Too bad if you didn't like it, because this is not about you, and it is not about me, it is about the truth, which is greater than us both. So let us let the scriptures speak for themself. You did not answer my very valid & 100% scripturally based question on this subject you wanted to bring to the hot seat. So since you were wanting to take advantage of my openess to you on this subject by goading me on by feigning interest in what i was saying, after all the time i put into formulating my answers for you, hoping to catch me out on something you perceived as wrong, then it is up to you to make damn sure it is in fact not you who is actually wrong. Again, please address this very critical question, which, if unanswered, undoes your whole interpretation from the very get go, so you need to prove what you are saying, because, in all honesty, it is going against what is in the scriptures. *Daniel stated clearly, that the 4th kingdom (Rome) would break in pieces and bruise before Christ would set up His kingdom! *You say that the resurrection was when Christ's kingdom was set up… *Rome had not yet broken in pieces & bruised at that point & even till way way after was still strong as iron and still a united Empire! *Not only that, your version also leaves out the 7th empire which also had to come before Christ sets up His kingdom? Rome was only the 6th empire! *So you need to answer the scriptures to these critical questions which already bring your version into great dispute. *If you can not answer, with scripture backingthen i will consider it an admission that you are unable to harmonize your interpretation with the truth, thereby, by default, proving your version as error. Take your time, i have nothing to prove, i am secure in what the Lord has shown me, the onus is actually on you Pierre, i tried to show you with all humility and brotherly outreach, i really did, but since you wanted to play it this way, then let's play it right and answer my question that is scripturally sound and 100% valid. Did the Roman Empire divide when Christ was resurrected? or did it divide at Pentecost? or did it divide 400 odd years later?. Thank you. Devo you have jumped to conclusion ,and jump further in time ,what I want to bring to your attention ,is what scriptures says first ,latter we can discuss what it could mean or what we think it means , but for now lets set what scriptures say and do not say, so please follow me in the scriptures and walk together as we know the written word of God , so can you answer my question

Hi Pierre,

You need to understand that the things you say need bringing to my attention are things i have already long left behind after MUCH attention already given…which is WHY they are left behind now…i have already tested them and found them wanting. My attention has long moved on from these things.

So for what it's worth…

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1) now when was Gods kingdom set up

Christ's kingdom is not yet set up on earth. Jesus is sitting on Gods right hand until He comes to claim His heritage at the 2nd coming. This is when He will be setting up His worldly kingdom. At the moment He is sitting in Gods throne room in heaven at His Fathers right hand. He will get His own throne here on earth for a 1000 years before handing the kingdom over to His Father who entrusted it to Him in the first place.

The world is among Christs heritage. It is His, but He has not yet claimed it, as in, taking control of it. All power in heaven and on earth is given to Christ, but He is not yet exercising that power over this world yet, just over His own. This world is still “leased” out to Satan, it's current ruler. Satan still holds his “lease”, but when his “lease” is up, Christ will then come to claim what is His and terminate Satans “lease” over the world and this is when His kingdom will be set up. This is WHEN the statue gets destroyed!
IF Christs kingdom is already set up, then He is doing a terrible job of it…wars, murders, rapes etc etc etc etc etc…but our Lord is not powerless nor sloppy, the fact we have these abominations all around us is all the proof we need that His kingdom is not yet set up.

Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he shou
ld smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

When somebody rules with an iron fist (rod of iron), nobody living under that rule does anything contrary to the rulers will. Nobody! Because if they do, then that iron rod comes down on them fast and hard and they are quickly taken out of the way. So here we see that Jesus is going to rule the nations with a rod of iron…EVERY NATION.
So when that happens, NOBODY IN THIS WORLD will be able to rule contrary to His laws. CONTRARY TO HIS LAWS!
So why do we have Muslim nations RULING AT THEIR OWN WHIM contrary to Christs laws? Or Hindu nations? Atheist nations? Corrupted “Christian” nations etc etc etc?
Why? Becasue the rod of iron is not yet here. The world has not yet been cleaned up.

Matthew 13
41 > The Son of man SHALL send forth His ANGELS, and THEY SHALL gather out of His kingdom all things that OFFEND, and THEM WHICH DO INIQUITY.

42 > And shall cast them into a furnace of fire, there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 > THEN shall the righteous shine forth as the sun IN THE KINGDOM of their Father. WHO HAS EARS TO HEAR, LET HIM HEAR.

Has this happened yet?
NO.
Then no righteous person in existence is YET shining forth in this kingdom, because it is STILL full of FILTH and wicked men.
Therefore, His kingdom is NOT yet set up, not yet claimed, not yet being ruled over by its rightful KING.

And this..

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

This is prophesied for when His kingdom is set up, this has not happened, so His kingdom can't be set up yet.

Pierre, the kingdom was not set up when Christ ascended.
What is happening is we are being prepared for this coming kingdom. If we are worthy, we will inherit this kingdom too. Until then we are like wanderers awaiting our homeland (the kingdom), until then, we are still living in Babylon the great, not part of it, but dwelling among it.

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2)because that would be also the end of the statue RIGHT ???YES.(the end of the statue does not mean the end of this world but that Gods chosen King is put in power )

When the statue ends, then there will be no more kingdoms being RULED by Satan and man. No more Muslim nations, no more Hindu nations ETC, no more self rule independant of Christ.
When Christ rules, He will be in TOTAL CONTROL.
Show me how this is happening today?
It is not.
All the prophecies speaking of the kingdom period speak of Christ ruling DIRECTLY over EVERY NATION on earth and ruling directly from JERUSALEM.

Has this happened…

Zechariah 14
16 > And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of ALL THE NATIONS which came against Jerusalem (ARMAGEDDON PERIOD) shall even GO UP FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO WORSHIP THE KING, THE LORD OF HOSTS, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

See?
MEN from EVERY NATION having to come to JERUSALEM to to WORSHIP the LORD EVERY YEAR during that 1000 year reign….
This is another unfulfilled prophecy during the KINGDOM PERIOD.

the 1000 year reign IS WHEN Christs KINGDOM is SET UP…NOT BEFORE…any other doctrine is error & adding to scripture.

Cheers.

[terraricca]

devo

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Christ's kingdom is not yet set up on earth. Jesus is sitting on Gods right hand until He comes to claim His heritage at the 2nd coming. This is when He will be setting up His worldly kingdom. At the moment He is sitting in Gods throne room in heaven at His Fathers right hand. He will get His own throne here on earth for a 1000 years before handing the kingdom over to His Father who entrusted it to Him in the first place.

I believe we are walking in different pads here ;you say if I understand you correctly that the kingdom will be setup at the 1000 years reign right and so not before .

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Hi Pierre, You need to understand that the things you say need bringing to my attention are things i have already long left behind after MUCH attention already given…which is WHY they are left behind now…i have already tested them and found them wanting. My attention has long moved on from these things.

you see here we are divided ,because I do not move on from scriptures to self interpretation ,either we consider all scriptures or none but not half -half ;this is were anyone can be true if you ignore all scriptures that does not fit your understanding,

God does not care of our wrong understanding ,God has given us his word and put it in written works ,He as made it possible to men to understand it providing men ,make the effort to submit to him according to his will ,and so truthfully from the heart,

at this point I believe that you do not know what is Gods kingdom,

I believe you mixing the kingdom and the power of the kingdom ,you also mix the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Christ his son .

I do recognize that you had for a moment a glim's of light from your explanation ,but now I see it was just a spark,

I do not say this to little you ,I just say was I see in the quotes you have made to me ,

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Pierre, the kingdom was not set up when Christ ascended.

this is wrong ;what do you think is needed to be a kingdom to me it start with a KING, what about you

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devo

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Zechariah 14 16 > And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of ALL THE NATIONS which came against Jerusalem (ARMAGEDDON PERIOD) shall even GO UP FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO WORSHIP THE KING, THE LORD OF HOSTS, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. See? MEN from EVERY NATION having to come to JERUSALEM to to WORSHIP the LORD EVERY YEAR during that 1000 year reign…. This is another unfulfilled prophecy during the KINGDOM PERIOD.

see ;that every one that is left of ALL THE NATIONS which came AGAINST Jerusalem ;; are you sub jesting that was against Jerusalem will be in the 1000 years reign

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DEVO

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When the statue ends, then there will be no more kingdoms being RULED by Satan and man. No more Muslim nations, no more Hindu nations ETC, no more self rule independant of Christ. When Christ rules, He will be in TOTAL CONTROL. Show me how this is happening today? It is not. All the prophecies speaking of the kingdom period speak of Christ ruling DIRECTLY over EVERY NATION on earth and ruling directly from JERUSALEM.

his Christ with his father not reign in heaven do you know who is still fulfilling the prophecies and under with power it is done do you know of what the kingdom of Christ consist of the 12 apostles and the 144 K all others are subjects to the kingdom, TO ME A SET UP IS ALSO A BEGINNING NOT THE END

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DEVO

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43 > THEN shall the righteous shine forth as the sun IN THE KINGDOM of their Father. WHO HAS EARS TO HEAR, LET HIM HEAR.

HERE WE TALKING ABOUT GODS KINGDOM NOT CHRIST KINGDOM, the kingdom of Christ will be on earth (or in all of creation),Gods kingdom is in heaven and so the RIGHTEOUS ARE THE 144K.

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DEVO

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The world is among Christs heritage. It is His, but He has not yet claimed it, as in, taking control of it. All power in heaven and on earth is given to Christ, but He is not yet exercising that power over this world yet, just over His own. This world is still “leased” out to Satan, it's current ruler. Satan still holds his “lease”, but when his “lease” is up, Christ will then come to claim what is His and terminate Satans “lease” over the world and this is when His kingdom will be set up. This is WHEN the statue gets destroyed! IF Christs kingdom is already set up, then He is doing a terrible job of it…wars, murders, rapes etc etc etc etc etc…but our Lord is not powerless nor sloppy, the fact we have these abominations all around us is all the proof we need that His kingdom is not yet set up.

a soon that Christ was resurrected was prove that he now had received all he needed to finish the will of his father ,and was declared King of the kingdom of creation ,Satan lost access to heaven ,but yes Satan is still here but with limited powers and only if you are not with God and his son to protect you,Satan lease as you say is up he is walking toward the exit right now,
the only reason that we still have all the problems in the world it is because the number of the 144k are not yet complete and have not yet died to be with Christ ,they are still tested until dead

all is well and on time ,to many people think they are the righteous and the saved ,but that is another story ,

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devo

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Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. When somebody rules with an iron fist (rod of iron), nobody living under that rule does anything contrary to the rulers will. Nobody! Because if they do, then that iron rod comes down on them fast and hard and they are quickly taken out of the way. So here we see that Jesus is going to rule the nations with a rod of iron…EVERY NATION. So when that happens, NOBODY IN THIS WORLD will be able to rule contrary to His laws. CONTRARY TO HIS LAWS! So why do we have Muslim nations RULING AT THEIR OWN WHIM contrary to Christs laws? Or Hindu nations? Atheist nations? Corrupted “Christian” nations etc etc etc? Why? Becasue the rod of iron is not yet here. The world has not yet been cleaned up.

but all that his happening right in front of your eyes and you do not see it

,Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

if you can understand those scriptures you will see that the rules of the kingdom are in place ,and with an iron stick ,

[terraricca]

devo

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When the statue ends, then there will be no more kingdoms being RULED by Satan and man. No more Muslim nations, no more Hindu nations ETC, no more self rule independant of Christ. When Christ rules, He will be in TOTAL CONTROL.

this is not true ,the statue in Daniel only covers four kings including king Nebu.(Babylon)and we have now enter the seven king or head ;(that is after Rome the sixth head)

MT 21:42 Jesus *said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures,
‘THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED,
THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone;
THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD,
AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES’?
MT 21:44 “And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust.”

PS 2:2 The kings of the earth take their stand
And the rulers take counsel together
Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,
PS 76:12 He will cut off the spirit of princes;
He is feared by the kings of the earth.
PS 89:27 “I also shall make him My firstborn,
The highest of the kings of the earth.
PS 102:15 So the nations will fear the name of the LORD

AC 4:26 ‘THE KINGS OF THE EARTH TOOK THEIR STAND,
AND THE RULERS WERE GATHERED TOGETHER
AGAINST THE LORD AND AGAINST HIS CHRIST.’
REV 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—

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devo Quote When the statue ends, then there will be no more kingdoms being RULED by Satan and man. No more Muslim nations, no more Hindu nations ETC, no more self rule independant of Christ. When Christ rules, He will be in TOTAL CONTROL. this is not true ,the statue in Daniel only covers four kings including king Nebu.(Babylon)and we have now enter the seven king or head ;(that is after Rome the sixth head) MT 21:42 Jesus *said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures, ‘THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone; THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES’? MT 21:44 “And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust.” PS 2:2 The kings of the earth take their stand And the rulers take counsel together Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying, PS 76:12 He will cut off the spirit of princes; He is feared by the kings of the earth. PS 89:27 “I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth. PS 102:15 So the nations will fear the name of the LORD AC 4:26 ‘THE KINGS OF THE EARTH TOOK THEIR STAND, AND THE RULERS WERE GATHERED TOGETHER AGAINST THE LORD AND AGAINST HIS CHRIST.’ REV 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—

Hi Pierre

Where Devo lives, he often gets internet problems. I think this is what's happening, as we are also waiting for him to answer you with anticipation.

[terraricca]

DEVO

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*If you can not answer, with scripture backingthen i will consider it an admission that you are unable to harmonize your interpretation with the truth, thereby, by default, proving your version as error. Take your time, i have nothing to prove, i am secure in what the Lord has shown me, the onus is actually on you Pierre, i tried to show you with all humility and brotherly outreach, i really did, but since you wanted to play it this way, then let's play it right and answer my question that is scripturally sound and 100% valid.

do you think i am leaser than you I have done in the same way ;scriptures and truth first no opinion of my own ;you have expressed opinions and I have shown it to you and always will ,this is the only way to the truth of God written word.

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j42

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Hi Pierre Where Devo lives, he often gets internet problems. I think this is what's happening, as we are also waiting for him to answer you with anticipation

I have patient

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Hi Pierre,

I see that you have answered several times without me answering.

We need to stick to one subject at a time because we are going all over the place…do you agree?
Lets clear that up so i can answer your other replies after we finish one at a time.

I haven't had internet access again, ongoing problems, but rest assured, i will find a way to answer you no matter what…it just may take a few days each time for me to use a computer with internet access.

So let's start again one argument at a time

The main thing we are debating on here at the moment is the statue & the stone right?
And the theme of the scriptures involved concern the STONE SMITING a kingdom right?
And that kingdom being found no more yes?
For the statue represents KINGDOMS correct?
And a KINGDOM on that statue gets SMITTEN by the STONE correct?
So we need scriptural verses that explain that SMITING of a nation/kingdom which will be FOUND NO MORE…which you believe happened over two thousand years ago, so you should, by rights, have the upper hand in scriptures to explain that event of SMITING, for God always explains the WHY and HOW and WHEN in scripture…and you version then took place long long ago…
So we should have an easily accessable explanation for it in scripture just like we do for all the other kingdoms God has overthrown.

So this is the THEME…the STONE which SMITES a kingdom which becomes NO MORE..

THE STATUE & THE STONE

Daniel 2:34
  Thou sawest till that a STONE was cut out without hands, which SMOTE the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and BRAKE them to pieces.

Daniel 2:35
  Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors, and the wind carried them away, that NO PLACE WAS FOUND FOR THEM, and the STONE that SMOTE the IMAGE became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

Revelation 19:11
  And i saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:15
  And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should SMITE the NATIONS, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron…..

Revelation 18:21
  And a mighty angel took up a STONE like a great MILLSTONE, and cast it into the SEA, saying, Thus with VIOLENCE shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be FOUND NO MORE AT ALL.

Here are my scriptures that back what i am saying about the statue which is kingdoms being SMITTEN by Christ and WHEN.

Please provide yours for examination Pierre so we can compare them.

Cheers.

[terraricca]

Quote (Devolution @ July 17 2012,23:57)

Hi Pierre, I see that you have answered several times without me answering. We need to stick to one subject at a time because we are going all over the place…do you agree? Lets clear that up so i can answer your other replies after we finish one at a time. I haven't had internet access again, ongoing problems, but rest assured, i will find a way to answer you no matter what…it just may take a few days each time for me to use a computer with internet access. So let's start again one argument at a time The main thing we are debating on here at the moment is the statue & the stone right? And the theme of the scriptures involved concern the STONE SMITING a kingdom right? And that kingdom being found no more yes? For the statue represents KINGDOMS correct? And a KINGDOM on that statue gets SMITTEN by the STONE correct? So we need scriptural verses that explain that SMITING of a nation/kingdom which will be FOUND NO MORE…which you believe happened over two thousand years ago, so you should, by rights, have the upper hand in scriptures to explain that event of SMITING, for God always explains the WHY and HOW and WHEN in scripture…and you version then took place long long ago… So we should have an easily accessable explanation for it in scripture just like we do for all the other kingdoms God has overthrown. So this is the THEME…the STONE which SMITES a kingdom which becomes NO MORE.. THE STATUE & THE STONE Daniel 2:34   Thou sawest till that a STONE was cut out without hands, which SMOTE the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and BRAKE them to pieces. Daniel 2:35   Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors, and the wind carried them away, that NO PLACE WAS FOUND FOR THEM, and the STONE that SMOTE the IMAGE became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. Revelation 19:11   And i saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:15   And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should SMITE the NATIONS, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron….. Revelation 18:21   And a mighty angel took up a STONE like a great MILLSTONE, and cast it into the SEA, saying, Thus with VIOLENCE shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be FOUND NO MORE AT ALL. Here are my scriptures that back what i am saying about the statue which is kingdoms being SMITTEN by Christ and WHEN. Please provide yours for examination Pierre so we can compare them. Cheers.

Devo

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So let's start again one argument at a time The main thing we are debating on here at the moment is the statue & the stone right? And the theme of the scriptures involved concern the STONE SMITING a kingdom right? And that kingdom being found no more yes? For the statue represents KINGDOMS correct? And a KINGDOM on that statue gets SMITTEN by the STONE correct? So we need scriptural verses that explain that SMITING of a nation/kingdom which will be FOUND NO MORE…which you believe happened over two thousand years ago, so you should, by rights, have the upper hand in scriptures to explain that event of SMITING, for God always explains the WHY and HOW and WHEN in scripture…and you version then took place long long ago… So we should have an easily accessable explanation for it in scripture just like we do for all the other kingdoms God has overthrown. So this is the THEME…the STONE which SMITES a kingdom which becomes NO MORE..

the main question would be rather what is it the dream of NEBU means and how it should be understood ,rather than make it a story for our own interpretation ,

Da 2:30 As for me, this mystery has been revealed to me, not because I have greater wisdom than other living men, but so that you, O king, may know the interpretation and that you may understand what went through your mind.

Da 2:36 “This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king.
Da 2:37 You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory;
Da 2:38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold.

Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.
Da 2:40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.
Da 2:41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay.
Da 2:42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle.
Da 2:43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

in verse 44 you can see that Daniel does not say the kings are destroyed BUT BRING TO AN END ,but that the kingdom that God will set up then WOULD BE SET UP AND NEVER BE DESTROYED AND WOULD ENDURE FOREVER,

so one of the question would be WHEN IS IT THAT GOD ENDED THOSE KINGDOM POWER,because it is the power that God gives to those kings,that we talking about in the dream ,

Da 2:38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold.

Da 2:45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy.”

so it appears to me that AT THE TIME OF THE FOURTH KING GOD WILL SET UP HIS KINGDOM THAT WILL BE REPLACING ALL OTHER KINGDOM THAT EXISTING AND TO COME ,AND WOULD IT SELF ENDURE FOREVER,(THIS HIS TALKING ABOUT THE POWER THAT IS GIVEN TO THAT NEW KINGDOM THAT WILL NEVER BE DESTROYED .

so this dream is true ,

now if we looking in Revelation we can see that there are other kingdom after the fourth kingdom in Daniel statue,

Daniel explanation on the beasts in Chap 7 and 8 confirm this as well ,it seems to me that the book of Daniel does not go be on the ROMAN empire, and the destruction of Israel has a nation and Moses religious Gods given laws.

Now Gods kingdom ;The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son
of God.”
Mt 26:64 “Yes, it is as you say,”Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Mt 27:11 Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
“Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied.

Jn 19:10 “Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?”
Jn 19:11 Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”

Jn 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
Jn 18:37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
Jn 18:38 “What is truth?” Pilate asked.

this is the kingdom set up ;
Jn 20:21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
Jn 20:22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
Jn 20:23 If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Jn 20:29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Lk 23:28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children.
Lk 23:29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’
Lk 23:30 Then
“ ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!”
and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’
Lk 23:31 For if men do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?”

Lk 24:25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Lk 24:26 Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?”

Lk 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
Lk 24:45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.

Lk 24:46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
Lk 24:47 and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Lk 24:48 You are witnesses of these things.

Mt 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

so again to my understanding this his the set up of Gods kingdom within the fourth beast and the feets and toes of the statue,WERE THE POWER OF THE KINGDOMS OF THE EARTH ARE GIVEN TO CHRIST THE KING BY CHOICE OF GOD,

[Devolution]

Thank you Pierre for your time in writing all of that.
But you did not provide any scripture that deals with the stone smiting anything???

This is the main key scripture is giving, for us to identify just when this image/statue will be smitten/destroyed.
The end of Satan & mans rule over the world.

This key gives us the answer to when Christs kingdom is going to be set up.

I provided scripture that speaks of the Stone smiting kingdoms to back my interpretation, So Daniel & Revelations combined to provide me with the answer concerning smiting of kingdoms.
I let scripture speak for itself as you requested.
You have not provided anything to back your interpretation yet except for your own words explaining why you see what you see.
You have not done what you asked me to do…provide clear scriptures.

So, as i have done, i ask you to do also, please provide scripture that speaks of smiting BY Jesus Himself, the Stone, on a kingdom(s) that ends Satan & mans rule over the world so Christ can set up His own kingdom.

I will wait some more and answer your reply whilst i wait for your scripture, i provided scripture, so i have biblical backing, now you must provide scripture too, this way, using scripture, we can cancel out  any self interpretations.

Cheers Pierre.

[Devolution]

Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2012,00:52)

the main question would be rather what is it the dream of NEBU means and how it should be understood ,rather than make it a story for our own interpretation , Da 2:30 As for me, this mystery has been revealed to me, not because I have greater wisdom than other living men, but so that you, O king, may know the interpretation and that you may understand what went through your mind. Da 2:36 “This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king. Da 2:37 You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory; Da 2:38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold. Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. Da 2:40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. Da 2:41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. Da 2:42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. Da 2:43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay. Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. in verse 44 you can see that Daniel does not say the kings are destroyed BUT BRING TO AN END ,but that the kingdom that God will set up then WOULD BE SET UP AND NEVER BE DESTROYED AND WOULD ENDURE FOREVER, so one of the question would be WHEN IS IT THAT GOD ENDED THOSE KINGDOM POWER,because it is the power that God gives to those kings,that we talking about in the dream , Da 2:38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold. Da 2:45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces. “The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy.” so it appears to me that AT THE TIME OF THE FOURTH KING GOD WILL SET UP HIS KINGDOM THAT WILL BE REPLACING ALL OTHER KINGDOM THAT EXISTING AND TO COME ,AND WOULD IT SELF ENDURE FOREVER,(THIS HIS TALKING ABOUT THE POWER THAT IS GIVEN TO THAT NEW KINGDOM THAT WILL NEVER BE DESTROYED . so this dream is true , now if we looking in Revelation we can see that there are other kingdom after the fourth kingdom in Daniel statue, Daniel explanation on the beasts in Chap 7 and 8 confirm this as well ,it seems to me that the book of Daniel does not go be on the ROMAN empire, and the destruction of Israel has a nation and Moses religious Gods given laws. Now Gods kingdom ;The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” Mt 26:64 “Yes, it is as you say,”Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Mt 27:11 Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied. Jn 19:10 “Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?” Jn 19:11 Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.” Jn 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.” Jn 18:37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Jn 18:38 “What is truth?” Pilate asked. this is the kingdom set up ; Jn 20:21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” Jn 20:22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. Jn 20:23 If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” Jn 20:29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” Lk 23:28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. Lk 23:29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ Lk 23:30 Then “ ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’ Lk 23:31 For if men do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?” Lk 24:25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Lk 24:26 Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” Lk 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Lk 24:45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. Lk 24:46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, Lk 24:47 and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Lk 24:48 You are witnesses of these things. Mt 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. so again to my understanding this his the set up of Gods kingdom within the fourth beast and the feets and toes of the statue,WERE THE POWER OF THE KINGDOMS OF THE EARTH ARE GIVEN TO CHRIST THE KING BY CHOICE OF GOD,

Pierre,

When Jesus was still human what did He say?
He said, My kingdom is not of this world.

So how can He be setting up a kingdom if it is already there?
So this kingdom is already there…meaning it is heavenly.
He said My kingdom because it is where He came from and is part of…aka home!

So why is it already there?

Because Jesus said, if His kingdom were of this world My servants would fight
So that kingdom (“My kingdom”/where He comes from) is already set up with servants.

Servants?….Those servants are Angels Pierre.
And where are these angels?
In Heaven.
This kingdom is already operating, and already set up before Jesus was crucified&
#33;
So what He is speaking of here can not be used in our debate.

Why? He was speaking of THAT kingdom that has always been there Pierre…where His Father is…in heaven, and THAT kingdom is already set up.
But Jesus is going to set up  a kingdom of His own Pierre.
You can not set up something that is already set up Pierre.

So then, this kingdom Jesus mentioned is not the same kingdom we are debating…that is, the kingdom Jesus sets up on earth, but He was speaking of heaven.

So we are awaiting a kingdom to be set up where the King Jesus sits on Davids throne (lineage). a worldly ruled kingdom that has both spirit and mortal inhabitants until the final change of all flesh into spirit after the 1000 years reign, “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on EARTH…..AS…IT…IS…IN…HEAVEN!!!!

See, His will IS done in heaven…but not yet done here on earth.
This is not the kingdom Jesus is setting up Pierre. That kingdom was already there

You are confusing the already set up heavenly kingdom with the kingdom Jesus is going to set up.

Cheers Pierre.

[terraricca]

Quote (Devolution @ July 18 2012,10:17)

Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2012,00:52) the main question would be rather what is it the dream of NEBU means and how it should be understood ,rather than make it a story for our own interpretation , Da 2:30 As for me, this mystery has been revealed to me, not because I have greater wisdom than other living men, but so that you, O king, may know the interpretation and that you may understand what went through your mind. Da 2:36 “This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king. Da 2:37 You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory; Da 2:38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold. Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. Da 2:40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. Da 2:41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. Da 2:42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. Da 2:43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay. Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. in verse 44 you can see that Daniel does not say the kings are destroyed BUT BRING TO AN END ,but that the kingdom that God will set up then WOULD BE SET UP AND NEVER BE DESTROYED AND WOULD ENDURE FOREVER, so one of the question would be WHEN IS IT THAT GOD ENDED THOSE KINGDOM POWER,because it is the power that God gives to those kings,that we talking about in the dream , Da 2:38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold. Da 2:45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces. “The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy.” so it appears to me that AT THE TIME OF THE FOURTH KING GOD WILL SET UP HIS KINGDOM THAT WILL BE REPLACING ALL OTHER KINGDOM THAT EXISTING AND TO COME ,AND WOULD IT SELF ENDURE FOREVER,(THIS HIS TALKING ABOUT THE POWER THAT IS GIVEN TO THAT NEW KINGDOM THAT WILL NEVER BE DESTROYED . so this dream is true , now if we looking in Revelation we can see that there are other kingdom after the fourth kingdom in Daniel statue, Daniel explanation on the beasts in Chap 7 and 8 confirm this as well ,it seems to me that the book of Daniel does not go be on the ROMAN empire, and the destruction of Israel has a nation and Moses religious Gods given laws. Now Gods kingdom ;The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” Mt 26:64 “Yes, it is as you say,”Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Mt 27:11 Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied. Jn 19:10 “Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?” Jn 19:11 Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.” Jn 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.” Jn 18:37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Jn 18:38 “What is truth?” Pilate asked. this is the kingdom set up ; Jn 20:21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” Jn 20:22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. Jn 20:23 If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” Jn 20:29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” Lk 23:28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. Lk 23:29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ Lk 23:30 Then “ ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’ Lk 23:31 For if men do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?” Lk 24:25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Lk 24:26 Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” Lk 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Lk 24:45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. Lk 24:46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, Lk 24:47 and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Lk 24:48 You are witnesses of these things. Mt 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. so again to my understanding this his the set up of Gods kingdom within the fourth beast and the feets and toes of the statue,WERE THE POWER OF THE KINGDOMS OF THE EARTH ARE GIVEN TO CHRIST THE KING BY CHOICE OF GOD, Pierre, When Jesus was still human what did He say? He said, My kingdom is not of this world. So how can He be setting up a kingdom if it is already there? So this kingdom is already there…meaning it is heavenly. He said My kingdom because it is where He came from and is part of…aka home! So why is it already there? Because Jesus said, if His kingdom were of this world My servants would fight So that kingdom (“My kingdom”/where He comes from) is alread y set up with servants. Servants?….Those servants are Angels Pierre. And where are these angels? In Heaven. This kingdom is already operating, and already set up before Jesus was crucified! So what He is speaking of here can not be used in our debate. Why? He was speaking of THAT kingdom that has always been there Pierre…where His Father is…in heaven, and THAT kingdom is already set up. But Jesus is going to set up  a kingdom of His own Pierre. You can not set up something that is already set up Pierre. So then, this kingdom Jesus mentioned is not the same kingdom we are debating…that is, the kingdom Jesus sets up on earth, but He was speaking of heaven. So we are awaiting a kingdom to be set up where the King Jesus sits on Davids throne (lineage). a worldly ruled kingdom that has both spirit and mortal inhabitants until the final change of all flesh into spirit after the 1000 years reign, “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on EARTH…..AS…IT…IS…IN…HEAVEN!!!! See, His will IS done in heaven…but not yet done here on earth. This is not the kingdom Jesus is setting up Pierre. That kingdom was already there You are confusing the already set up heavenly kingdom with the kingdom Jesus is going to set up. Cheers Pierre.

Devo

You going have to supply your scriptures to make it true to the truth of Gods word,

Your or my opinion his not scriptural ,and so are personal interpretation ,

[terraricca]

Quote (Devolution @ July 18 2012,09:27)

Thank you Pierre for your time in writing all of that. But you did not provide any scripture that deals with the stone smiting anything??? This is the main key scripture is giving, for us to identify just when this image/statue will be smitten/destroyed. The end of Satan & mans rule over the world. This key gives us the answer to when Christs kingdom is going to be set up. I provided scripture that speaks of the Stone smiting kingdoms to back my interpretation, So Daniel & Revelations combined to provide me with the answer concerning smiting of kingdoms. I let scripture speak for itself as you requested. You have not provided anything to back your interpretation yet except for your own words explaining why you see what you see. You have not done what you asked me to do…provide clear scriptures. So, as i have done, i ask you to do also, please provide scripture that speaks of smiting BY Jesus Himself, the Stone, on a kingdom(s) that ends Satan & mans rule over the world so Christ can set up His own kingdom. I will wait some more and answer your reply whilst i wait for your scripture, i provided scripture, so i have biblical backing, now you must provide scripture too, this way, using scripture, we can cancel out  any self interpretations. Cheers Pierre.

Devo

Read my quotes more carefully and you will see that I have covered all the statue and it's meaning with the scriptures ,also showing you Christ the king of the kingdom that will never be destroyed,

I also showed you that Christ is the stone that comes from God and that destroyed all the powers of existing powers ,with the scriptures to show you ,

You have return to me with only remarks,opinions.and personal interpretation even though you ask me to supply scriptures what I did in all my quotes.

I also ask you now not to mix the book of Revelation with the book of Daniel those books following each other ,so they do not talk about the same things,but Revelation in compasses all the world powers past ,present and future to it s time of written

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