PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence

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  • #789691
    kerwin
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    LU,

    Mankind was made in the image of God…fact. That happened and the results continue. All of mankind before and after the fall were made in the image of God at the time He first created them male and female. People treat each other poorly when they forget that the person they are treating poorly was not also made in the image of God. Believers’ minds are being renewed to the knowledge that their ‘neighbor’ is to be loved as they love themselves because of the reality that even those who still do not believe, were made in the image of God. Being made in the image of God is not something mankind can undo, it happened once at the creation of mankind and the condition is not conditional.

    Your ideas seem unformed.   They hint at things but they are not concrete.  As it is it has facets of a red herring.

    Scripture puts it this way:

    Old self: Does not bear the image of god.

    New self: bears the image of god.

    There is another passage where the old self is called a servant of sin and the new self is called a servant of righteousness.

    Jesus teaches us anyone who sins is a servant to sin.

    From these words of Scripture the vast majority of humans are have not put on their new self and so do not currently bear the image of God though they were made in that image when they were they first became a living soul.

    #789692
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @kerwin
    It seems to me that we were made in the image of God at the time of creation and it does not depend on our sin condition. You really haven’t shown me any scripture that says otherwise. We can’t undo that mankind was made in the image of God by sinning.

    #789693
    kerwin
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    LU,

    Yes, I have but perhaps I was not clear. The passages is in Colossians and says:

    have put on the new man,which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him

    I used the AV of the KJV. The exact passage is Colossians 3:10 and 3:9 mentions the old man(self). The other passage is Ephesians 4:24.

    #789694
    kerwin
    Participant

    LU,

    Mankind is made in the image, he spoiled that image by falling from God’s grace.

    #789706
    carmel
    Participant

     

    You said this:

    THAT I AM NOT AS YOU ASKED IN THE ABOVE HEADING

    Lightenup,

    this is my QUESTION

    IN FULL CONTEXT:

     

    THE FACT THAT I POSTED SUCH POST,  

    DOES IT, IN A WAY TELL YOU…….    ALL this you purposely left out, WHY?

     

    THEN COMES THE ABOVE HEADING:

     

    THAT I AM NOT AS YOU ASKED IN THE ABOVE HEADING

    OK??????? ISN’T IT CLEAR ENOUGH:since through your question you INSINUATED THAT

    I AM NOT AS YOU ASKED, AND YOU UNDERSTOOD IN THE ABOVE HEADING?????

     

    which means  THAT:

    I AM NOT A PERSON WHICH DENIES:

    that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are worthy of all praise, honor and glory above all!!!!!!

    AND I PROVED IT THROUGH MY POST OF WHICH YOU NEVER PICKED ONE SYLLABLE TO PROVE OTHERWISE!!!

    THE FACT THAT I SAID:

    SINCE YOU SIMPLY NEVER PRODUCED A SUBSTANTIAL STATEMENT WHICH SUPPORTED YOUR QUESTION!!!!!!

    SO NOW PLEASE, YOU EITHER PROVE THAT WITHIN MY POST THEIR IS SUCH:

    NONSENSE,

     AS YOU FOR A REASON ONLY YOU KNOW,

    NEVER DID,

    OF WHICH I AM NOT INTERESTED!!!!

    OR ELSE:

    MY POST IS

    PURE TRUTH!

    AND STANDS

    FOR THE GLORY OF JESUS CHRIST

    THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES BOTH IN HEAVEN, EARTH , AND UNDER EARTH, FOR THE GLORY OF

    THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT!!!!!!!!

    ALL MANIFESTED IN JESUS CHRIST SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY,

    BOTH THE BRIDEGROOM AND THE BRIDE to be! on the last day of the

    LORD JESUS CHRIST ON THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB!!!!

    FOR THE GLORY OF

    GOD ALMIGHTY

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #789751
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @carmel
    you said:

    I AM NOT A PERSON WHICH DENIES:

    that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are worthy of all praise, honor and glory above all!!!!!!

    From a previous post here, it seems to me that you want to include satan in the glory that you claim to give to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I don’t understand how that can be from God, it is so far away from what I believe. satan receives no glory from me and I will not entertain that idea by dwelling on it.

    #789754
    carmel
    Participant

     

    All of mankind before and after the fall were made in the image of God.

    Lightenup,

    WRONG!!!!!

    THAT’S A PURE LIE!

    ONLY ONCE MAN WAS CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD AND LOST IT!

    SHOW SCRIPTURE WHICH SUPPORT YOUR FALLACY!

    ALSO:

    EXPLAIN HOW GOD IN ORDER TO PUT ADAM purposely on his own, IN HIS HOLY GARDEN,

    HAD TO TRANSFORM HIM INTO HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS,THEREFORE HOLY, THROUGH HIS SPIRIT, and then threw him out of that same garden,

    AFTER:

    HE LOST HIS ONENESS, the likeness of God,

    AND PREFERRED HIS SELF LOVE FROM GOD’S LOVE,
    IN EVE

    SINNED, !

    WAS TRANSFORMED IN GOD’S CURSE!

    CURSED THE WORLD THROUGH ALL HIS DEEDS!

    LOST HEAVEN!

    LOST ETERNAL LIFE!

    SUFFERED ETERNAL FIRE

    AND IN THE SAME TIME

    HE DIDN’T LOSE GOD’S IMAGE!

    WHEN!

    HUMAN ON BIRTH IS WORSE THEN A CHICK
    CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT WHEN A CHICK IS BORN:

    IT EAGERLY COMES OUT OF AN EGG BY HER OWN EFFORT, WHILE A MAN NEEDS ASSISTANT OR ELSE HE WILL DIE IN HIS MOTHER’S WOMB!!!!!

    BEAUTIFULLY CLOTHED, WHILE A MAN IN SHAMEFUL STINKY, DIRTY, WET IN WATER AND BLOOD, AND NAKED BODY!

    HAPPY AND CHEEPS , WHILE A MAN OUT OF HIS SENSES, AND SCREAMING!

    JUMPING SEARCHING HIS OWN MOTHER AND ENJOY LIFE, WHILE HUMAN TOTALLY USELESS, NOT AWARE OF THE LEAST OF HIS EXISTENCE, AND FULLY IN NEED.

    IS ABLE TO FEED ITSELF WHILE A MAN WOULD STARVE TO DEATH IF NOT GIVEN HIS MOTHER’S MILK

     

    WHAT’S GOD IMAGE YOU CALL THAT!

    IF NOT

    THE IMAGE OF god GOD OF THE WORLD

    SATANA!

    THE FACT THAT JESUS, “THE WORD” HAD TO TAKE
    THAT SAME KIND OF FILTHY, CURSED SINFULL IMAGE, BUT IMMACULATE, JUST TO MAKE IT HOLY AGAIN AND ALSO
    THE ONLY TRUE GOD’S IMAGE FOR ETERNITY!!!!

    FROM

    THE  FILTHIEST IMAGE OF SATANA

    TO

    THE MOST HOLY IMAGE OF GOD ALMIGHTY!

    WHICH CONFIRMS  BOTH

    THE SUPERIORITY OF GOD OVER HIS ENEMY, AND HIS WORK!

    AND

    THAT SATANA WOULD EVENTUALLY ALSO BECOME HOLY!

     

    BUT THROUGH GOD’S LOVE, AND HIS POWER OF HIS BENIGNITY

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Christ

    #789755
    carmel
    Participant

     

    it seems to me that you want to include satan in the glory that you claim to give to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    lightenup,

    FOR GOD’S SAKE

    JUSTIFY YOURSELF WHERE IT SEEMS AS YOU SAID BY

    POSTING SPECIFICALLY AND PARTICULARLY WHAT FOR YOU IS RELATED TO YOUR HEADING HERE!

    OR IS IT UNCOMFORTABLE TO DO SO?

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #789801
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @carmel
    Didn’t you say that Jesus came from satan?

    #789803
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @carmel
    We raised chickens and they were definitely stinky and messy…pooped everywhere, lol.

    Man eats chickens not the other way around, btw. Man builds the chicken coop for the chicken, the chicken can’t build their own chicken coop.Chickens don’t rule over man, man rules over chickens. Man is made in the image of God, chickens are not.

    #789805
    carmel
    Participant

    Didn’t you say that Jesus came from satan?

    Lightenup,

    IS IT UNCOMFORTABLE TO PASTE WHAT I POSTED?

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #789828
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Man eats chickens

    Lightenup,

    IRRELEVANT!

    OTHER ANIMALS EAT MAN!

    ALSO:

    SINCE JESUS DEATH!

    UNLESS  MAN IS BAPTISED!

    THE CHICKEN IS MORE PERFECT THAN A MAN IS!

    THE CHICKEN IS MORE CLEAN THAN MAN IS!

    LISTEN TO THIS:

    “THE WORD” IS MORE ACCEPTABLE IN A CHICKEN THAN IN MAN!

    SINCE THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF NATURE IS PERFECT!

    THE FACT THAT THE MAJORITY ARE POURING DOWN INTO HELL!

    John 6:27 7Labour not for the FOOD which perisheth, but for THAT which endureth unto life everlasting,

    WHICH THE SON OF MAN WILL GIVE YOU.

    FOR HIM HAS GOD, THE FATHER SEALED

    IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF NATURE

    Matthew 6:28……Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they labour not, neither do they spin. 29But I say to you, that

    NOT EVEN SOLOMON IN ALL HIS GLORY WAS ARRAYED AS ONE OF THESE

    NOW IS IT CLEAR ,

    THAT MAN WAS NOT GOD’S IMAGE AFTER THE FALL, but god’s, satana’s image

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #789829
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Your thoughts are manifest.

    But the Word speaks truth.

    #790122
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @carmel
    Luke 12:24Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds!
    Chickens are birds, btw which are not as valuable as man.

    Jesus died for sinners…He gave His life, shed His own blood for SINNERS. That should show you how God values the sinners.
    Romans 5:8
    But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    Also, you said:

    3All things were made by him:

    all things were made BY THE WORD, JESUS to be, FROM WITHIN LUCIFER/ or LUCIFER THROUGH “THE WORD”, JESUS to be

    and without him was made nothing that was made.

    and without LUCIFER/ “THE WORD”, JESUS to be, was made nothing that was made.

    In that quote is where you have given lucifer the glory of being the creator. You say that without lucifer, nothing was made. You have glorified lucifer above even Jesus. That is why I said that it seemed that you give the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit AND lucifer/satan all the glory and all the honor and all the praise. You have made lucifer a creator god.

    Jesus always existed and is the beginning in which the creation of God came from.

    #790124
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    You mean the Word?

    Jesus was conceived in Mary.

    #790125
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    When the earthly people saw a man speaking they attributed everything to the man.

    But God was in him reconciling the world to Himself.

    #790127
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Hi Nick,
    The Word of YHVH was the Heavenly Being that became flesh. The Word of YHVH was seen by man in the OT.

    #790128
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    The Word was with God and was God.

    But the human vessel was conceived just like any man.

    And the contents of that vessel manifested God on earth.

     

    We can follow him but cannot follow a demigod

    #790190
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Nick
    You are calling YHVH, the Lord of lords a demigod. YHVH the Lord of lords is the Word of YHVH, and YHVH who in the fullest sense is both God of gods and Lord of lords (Deut 10:17). Paul identifies them as Father and Son in 1 Cor 8:6. Someday even you will call Jesus ‘LORD’ (YHVH).

    Isaiah 45
    21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

    22Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

    23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

    24Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

    25In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

    Philippians 2
    9Because of this, God has also greatly exalted him and he has given him The Name which is greater than all names, 10That in The Name of Yeshua, every knee shall bow, which is in Heaven and in The Earth and which is under The Earth, 11And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH* to the glory of God his Father.

    #790192
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    The Son of God is my Lord.

    Let him be just who he says he is unless you know more than him.

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