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Hi C,
The Holy Spirit is the soul of Jesus.
You are settled about that?
You think the Holy Spirit is a man?
we all accept that the MAN Jesus stepped in our place to be sin offering once and for all. He refferes to the Father as his God and Father. does it matter if he pre existed , it doesn’t matter to salvation. There are verses to prove and disprove it. so, some here don’t need to get so uptight if others don’t believe as thay do, im sure they don’t have it ALL correct anyway.
Hi davidh,
Men do not preexist in heaven.
The Word is what Jesus Christ speaks of in the first person.
Hi C,
The Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ PROCEEDED FORTH and CAME FROM God.
Jn 8 42Hi C,
The Holy Spirit never LEFT God.
Can your spirit LEAVE you?Hi C,
The Holy Spirit is the soul of Jesus.
You are settled about that?
You think the Holy Spirit is a man?Nick,
The above are THREE SUCCESSIVE, permit me to say:
NICKS of what you are specialist to!
IN THE FIRST ONE YOU SAID:
The Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ PROCEEDED FORTH and CAME FROM God.
Jn 8 42THEN YOU SAID:
The Holy Spirit never LEFT God.Can your spirit LEAVE you?
THEN YOU CONCLUDED:
The Holy Spirit is the soul of Jesus.
You are settled about that?
You think the Holy Spirit is a man?
NOW PERMIT ME TO ASK YOU:
CAN YOU SEE THE ERRORS YOU POSTED, WHICH EVEN A BLIND PERSON WOULD SEE?
I AM READY TO REVEAL THEM FOR YOU, BUT HONESTLY I BELIEVE THAT ALL THE PERSONS ON HEAVENNET ARE CAPABLE TO REVEAL THEM FOR YOU!
SO I’LL WAIT AND SEE
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi C,
You will not be able to see what is in error in your posts above as you are not of the Spirit but of human logic.
Hi C,
No specialism.
But the Spirit enables us to align scriptures and spot the introduced ways of man.
We are to oppose speculations, and even pull down strongholds.
The whole world is under the power of the evil one.
Hi C,
You will not be able to see what is in error in your posts above as you are not of the Spirit but of human logic.
Nick,
Hereunder is WHAT YOU POSTED, IN WHICH YOU COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED YOURSELF
FIRST YOU SAID:
Hi C,
The Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ PROCEEDED FORTH and CAME FROM God.
Jn 8 42:THEN YOU SAID
Hi C,
The Holy Spirit never LEFT God.
Can your spirit LEAVE you?two CONFLICTING statements
THE HOLY SPIRIT LEFT GOD, then
THE HOLY SPIRIT NEVER LEFT GOD!Hereunder is the truth!
John 1:32 And John gave testimony, saying: I saw the Spirit coming down, as a dove from heaven, and he remained upon him.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust return into its earth, from whence it was,
and the spirit return to God, who gave it.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi C,
When you stand before a judge and the SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER speaks through you [mt 10.20]
is that Spirit not connected with the Father?
Hi C,
God pours out His Spirit.[jl2]
Do you think that Spirit becomes disconnected from God?
Nick,
Not only the spirit is never disconnected from God,
BUT THE ENTIRE CREATION!
Otherwise it won’t exist at all
The fact that God first and foremost established
“THE WORD” and
He created all BY/IN/ AND FOR “THE WORD” and scripturally
“THE WORD” IS GOD! or more accurate
GOD IN A COMPLETE DIFFERENT, AND THE UTMOST VERSATILE FUNCTION,
UNDER THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL SPECIFIC TITLE OFTHE SON! WISDOM! FEMALE ROLE FROM GOD’S POINT OF VIEW! SO BOTH MALE AND FEMALE
Now,
In a mode to say, God the Father was only an infertile MALE, up to a certain time, or more accurate:
NOT IN THE POSITION TO CREATE !
HE WAS NOT YET FULLY REPRODUCTIVE!
HE WAS A UNIVERSE IN COMPLETE DARKNESS!
HE WAS SIMILAR TO A FOETUS IN A WOMB, LOCKED WITHIN HIMSELF, CONTEMPLATING FOR AN UNFATHOMABLE TIME FOR US!
Then He established His son,
WISDOM, and then power and said:
LET THERE BE LIGHT
AND IN THAT INSTANT, ALTHOUGH IT NEEDS MORE CLARIFICATION!
THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE BECAME ENTIRELY LIT FULLY CREATED THROUGHOUT IN/BY AND FOR
“THE WORD”
HIS SON’S KINGDOM!
ALTHOUGH IT IS STILL IN PROGRESS!
Then the rebel occurred, and the entire universe returned back to complete darkness and a new period began which scripturally is defined as
ALL UNDER THE SUN!
BUT AS I SAID ABOVE AND ALSO SCRIPTURALLY:
NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN!
so believe it or not:
OUR WORLD EXISTED WITHOUT THE SUN!, SINCE THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WAS LIT IN GOD’S LIGHT AND HARMONY!
BUT IN THE SAME TIME STILL SPIRITUAL, SO IT COULD DISSOLVE BACK TO SPIRIT!
THE WAY IT WOULD EVENTUALLY BE, WHEN GOD WOULD BE ALL IN ALL
BUT STILL REMAINS IN/ BY/ AND FOR:
“THE WORD” GOD, THE SON!
but it doesn’t make a difference to THE DEITY
SINCE SCRIPTURALLY
NO ONE KNOWS WHO THE SON IS, EXCEPT THE FATHER, AND NO ONE KNOWS WHO THE FATHER IS EXCEPT THE SON
AND ONLY THE SON WOULD REVEAL THE FATHER
IN HIMSELF AS HE FEELS FIT!
SINCE THE FATHER IS IN THE SON, AND THE SON IS IN THE FATHER
THE FACT THAT THEY ARE ETERNALLY
ONE
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi C,
No.
The Son is not his Father
Just your ideas dressed up as truth.
Nick,
Hereunder is my post again:
TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THE ABOVE ARE YOUR LIES!!
Nick,
Not only the spirit is never disconnected from God,
BUT THE ENTIRE CREATION!
Otherwise it won’t exist at all
The fact that God first and foremost established
“THE WORD” andHe created all BY/IN/ AND FOR “THE WORD” and scripturally
“THE WORD” IS GOD! or more accurate
GOD IN A COMPLETE DIFFERENT, AND UTMOST VERSATILE FUNCTION,
UNDER THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL SPECIFIC TITLE OFTHE SON! WISDOM! FEMALE ROLE FROM GOD’S POINT OF VIEW! SO BOTH MALE AND FEMALE
Now,
In a mode to say, God the Father was only an infertile MALE, up to a certain time, or more accurate:
NOT IN THE POSITION TO CREATE !
HE WAS NOT YET FULLY REPRODUCTIVE!
HE WAS A UNIVERSE IN COMPLETE DARKNESS!
HE WAS SIMILAR TO A FOETUS IN A WOMB, LOCKED WITHIN HIMSELF, CONTEMPLATING FOR AN UNFATHOMABLE TIME FOR US!
Then He established His son,WISDOM, and then power and said:
LET THERE BE LIGHT
AND IN THAT INSTANT, ALTHOUGH IT NEEDS MORE CLARIFICATION!
THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE BECAME ENTIRELY LIT FULLY CREATED THROUGHOUT IN/BY AND FOR
“THE WORD”HIS SON’S KINGDOM!
ALTHOUGH IT IS STILL IN PROGRESS!
Then the rebel occurred, and the entire universe returned back to complete darkness and a new period began which
scripturally is defined as
ALL UNDER THE SUN!
BUT AS I SAID ABOVE AND ALSO SCRIPTURALLY:
NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN!
so believe it or not:
OUR WORLD EXISTED WITHOUT THE SUN!, SINCE THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WAS LIT IN GOD’S LIGHT AND HARMONY!
BUT IN THE SAME TIME STILL SPIRITUAL, SO IT COULD DISSOLVE BACK TO SPIRIT!
THE WAY IT WOULD EVENTUALLY BE, WHEN GOD WOULD BE ALL IN ALLBUT STILL REMAINS IN/ BY/ AND FOR:
“THE WORD” GOD, THE SON!
but it doesn’t make a difference to THE DEITY
SINCE SCRIPTURALLY
NO ONE KNOWS WHO THE SON IS, EXCEPT THE FATHER, AND NO ONE KNOWS WHO THE FATHER IS EXCEPT THE SON
AND ONLY THE SON WOULD REVEAL THE FATHER
IN HIMSELF AS HE FEELS FIT!
SINCE THE FATHER IS IN THE SON, AND THE SON IS IN THE FATHER
THE FACT THAT THEY ARE ETERNALLY
ONE
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Lighenup:
You say:
I would like to point out that in this verse:
Rev 3:14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.
(And you give this as proof that Jesus existed from the beginning of creation.)
But “beginning of the creation of God” is speaking of the new creation that is through being born again. Not from the creation of Adam.
Take a look at these scriptures:
Colossians 1:
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
2 Corinthians 5:
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Also:
John 1 states that: In the beginning was the Word (the Word is that which God has spoken and embodies an idea or a plan). The Word pertains to Jesus but it is not him as a sentient person who existed from the beginning. He did exist in the heart of the Father to revealed to the world in the fullness of time, and he was. And the last part of the verse of John 1 states: And the Word was God. (There is only “one God” according to the scriptures. Jesus did not say he was God. God revealed to us that “he is the Christ the Son of the Living God”, but God has revealed his character to humanity through His Word, and he did this through Jesus. That is how Jesus stated “He who has seen me has seen the Father”.
Love in Christ,
Marty15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Hi Lighenup:
You say:
I would like to point out that in this verse:
Rev 3:14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.
(And you give this as proof that Jesus existed from the beginning of creation.)
But “beginning of the creation of God” is speaking of the new creation that is through being born again. Not from the creation of Adam.
Take a look at these scriptures:
Colossians 1:
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
2 Corinthians 5:
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Also:
John 1 states that: In the beginning was the Word (the Word is that which God has spoken and embodies an idea or a plan). The Word pertains to Jesus but it is not him as a sentient person who existed from the beginning. He did exist in the heart of the Father to revealed to the world in the fullness of time, and he was. And the last part of the verse of John 1 states: And the Word was God. (There is only “one God” according to the scriptures. Jesus did not say he was God. God revealed to us that “he is the Christ the Son of the Living God”, but God has revealed his character to humanity through His Word, and he did this through Jesus. That is how Jesus stated “He who has seen me has seen the Father”.
Love in Christ,
MartyHey everyone! I see you guys are still at it! Of all the regulars here has anyone changed their beliefs yet? Anyway good to see you all in the cyber world and hope everyone is doing well! I love all you guys! Blessings! WJ
Hi WJ,
We are all learning.
How about you?
Have you discovered that the man Jesus was not always the Word but the Word was made flesh?
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