PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence

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  • #796801
    Lightenup
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    Great Nick, we agree. Not sure why you mentioned the bit about when He walked on water, though.

    #796806
    Ed J
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    Hi ED,

    Your theory that Adam was of the Spirit of Christ.

    Hi Nick,

    First of all, that is not at all what I said, and I have no such theory.
    Please simply answer this question: if not from the time of Adam’s quickening,
    after what manner of time was the Spirit of Christ introduced into the Prophets?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #796808
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi ED,

    When God required a prophet.

    Adam was no prophet and neither were his carnal kin.

    #796809
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    How did the spirit of Christ enter into them when they were to be Prophets?

    #796812
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Does scripture say?

    ..Jeremiah.. to whom the word of God came..

    #796824
    carmel
    Participant

     

    So when did the Spirit of Christ come out from God? It may have been when God breathed into Adam.

    Something to think about, huh?

    Edj,

    1 John 5:6 This is he that

    came by water and blood, Jesus Christ:

    not by water only, but by water and blood.

    The above is a CLEAR reference to Jesus Christ, both as SON OF MAN defined in the BLOOD, and as SON OF GOD defined in THE WATER!

    But reflect:

    As SON OF MAN , He was “THE WORD” MADE FLESH

    As SON OF GOD, He was THE HOLY SPIRIT. Also Jesus’ soul! Obvious within THE WORD MADE FLESH, MAN JESUS! NOT YET CHRIST

     

    Now you asked:

    when did the Spirit of Christ come out from God?

    HOW COME THEREFORE ACCORDING TO YOU THERE’S ONLY

    THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST?

    WHEN CHRIST CAME IN

    WATER AND BLOOD:

    BOTH DIVINE, AND MAN!

    Peace and love in Jesus
    Charles

    #796859
    Ed J
    Participant

    Now you asked:

    when did the Spirit of Christ come out from God?

    HOW COME THEREFORE ACCORDING TO YOU THERE’S ONLY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST?

    HiCarmel,

    What words are you trying to put in my mouth?

    1. ACCORDING TO YOU THERE’S [ONLY] THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST [that] come out from God?
    2. HOW COME THEREFORE ACCORDING TO YOU THERE’S ONLY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST?

    1. Are YOU trying to say that the spirit of Christ came out from God AT MORE THAN ONE TIME?
    2. Are YOU trying to say that MORE THAN ONE spirit of Christ came out from God?

    The first grouping is what “I think” you are presupposing and
    The second group is what I’m asking for clarification purposes.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #796861
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    How did the spirit of Christ enter into them when they were to be Prophets?

    Hi ED,

    Does scripture say?

    ..Jeremiah.. to whom the word of God came..

    Hi Nick,

    Are you suggesting that “the spirit of Christ” came out of God and into Jeremiah at his conception?
    Similar to the account of John the Baptist being filled with the “HolySpirit” at conception?

    “he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb” (Luke 1:15)

    If true, then “the spirit of Christ” has come out from God over and over.
    Implications: then “the spirit of Christ” is in some places but not in others.

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    Contemplate for a minute what I have considered.

    God breathed into Adam and he became a living soul
    Jesus breathed the HolySpirit into the Apostles.

    “the spirit of Christ” may have been within all of Humanity from the get go.

    I don’t think you’re quite understanding what I’m trying to say.
    The “HolySpirit” was breathed onto Adam and Adam became a living soul.
    After sinning, the HolySpirit may have left Adam while “the spirit of Christ” stayed.

    In that way “the spirit of Christ” came out from God into Adam with God’s HolySpirit
    – and –
    “the spirit of Christ” furtherly came out from God as the HolySpirit left Adam.

    I may be sounding a bit like Carmel at this point.

    He he he he

    #796872
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    Are you speaking of the Word that was with God and was God?

    God is Spirit.

     

    Now the Lord is the Spirit, the Word.

     

    The blessed vessel of Jesus was not conceived till long after the beginning of creation

    #796873
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    Ghosts are said to be pale.

    #796908
    bodhitharta
    Participant


    @Nick

    hi ED,

    When God required a prophet.

    Adam was no prophet and neither were his carnal kin.

    How was Adam not a Prophet?

    #796962
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ,

    The promise to Jesus as shown in Acts 2 was that his body would not decay.

    That happened.

    There was no promise that all the blood drained out on calvary unto water would be replaced.

    Though natural life is in the blood the miracle was that his body was resurrected alive by the abiding Living Spirit

    and this was proof that God is greater than the natural world.

    #796982
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Your theory that Adam was of the Spirit of Christ.

    No Nick,

    Adam was of God

    My theory is: that “the spirit of Christ” was breathed into Adam.

    #798223
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi EDE,

    No substance to that theory.

    If Adam was a spiritual son then the second Adam had no need to come.

    #798233
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi EDE,

    No substance to that theory.

    If Adam was a spiritual son then the second Adam had no need to come.

    I see the sense in your objection but I do not know anything to support it.

    I can speculate that perhaps the human spirit was originally righteous and that eating the fruit corrupted it but I simply do not see any evidence to support that claim.

    On the other hand the fruit of Adam and Eve before they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was the same fruit that those that live by the Spirit bear as it is clear they did not bear the fruit of flesh.

    #798236
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Tell us of the GOOD SPIRITUAL FRUIT of Adam and Eve.

     

    Eating the fruit gave them knowledge God did not want them to have.

    It is their rebellion and obedience to the god of this world that isolated them from God.

     

    Flesh does not have fruit.

    #798812
    carmel
    Participant

    proof of jesus eternal past exisrence

    2. Are YOU trying to say that MORE THAN ONE spirit of Christ came out from God?

    Edj,

    In my previous post to your above answer,I SAID:

    1 John 5:6 This is he that

    came by water and blood, Jesus Christ:

    not by water only, but by water and blood.

    The above is a CLEAR reference to Jesus Christ, both as

    SON OF MAN defined in the BLOOD, and as

    SON OF GOD defined in THE WATER!

    But reflect:

    As SON OF MAN , He was “THE WORD” MADE FLESH NOW ANSWER AND DO NOT RUSH TO CONCLUSIONS:

    WHERE DID THE SON OF MAN GOT HIS SPIRIT IN ORDER TO BECOME FLESH SUBSTANCE, A SIMPLE SHELL FOR GOD THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN? WHICH JOHN DEFINED IT AS

    BLOOD WHEN HE EMPHATICALLY DECLARED:

    not by water only, but by water and blood.

    NOW I ALSO SAID:

    As SON OF GOD, He was THE HOLY SPIRIT. NOW ANSWER AND DO NOT RUSH TO CONCLUSIONS:

    WHERE DID THE SON OF GOD GOT HIS SPIRIT IN ORDER TO BECOME JESUS’ SOUL, FOR GOD THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN? WHICH JOHN DEFINED IT AS

    WATER WHEN HE EMPHATICALLY DECLARED: ALSO AS ABOVE!

     

    NOW, Edj, WATER, SCRIPTURALLY DEFINED IS A REFERENCE TO

    THE SOUL!

     

    ONE CLEAR EXAMPLE OUT OF HUNDREDS WITHIN SCRIPTURES:

    JESUS TURNED THE WATER INTO WINE

    IT MEANS THE SOULS TURNED INTO SPIRITS, AND BECAME ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE SPIRIT!

    THE WEDDING OF CANA SYMBOLICALLY REPRESENTS

    THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB WHEN EVENTUALLY ALL SOULS INTEGRATE WITH THE SPIRIT, PREPARED TO RECEIVE THE BRIDE:

    THE NEW JERUSALEM THE NEW FLESH BODY SPECIFICALLY FROM THE FATHER

    THE LAST JUDGEMENT

     

    SO BACK TO OUR POINT:

    JESUS CHRIST, THEREFORE DEFINITELY HAD

    TWO PARTICULAR SPIRITS!

    DEFINITELY CAME

    BOTH FROM THE FATHER!

    THE SPIRIT WHICH WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IS

    THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHICH LEFT THE FATHER TO BECOME ONE AND

    CONCEIVE MARY, HIS SPOUSE!

    SO SINCE SCRIPTURALLY THE WATER IS DEFINED AS

    SOULS,

    THE HOLY SPIRIT DEFINITELY  WAS JESUS’ SOUL!

    SO THAT ONE IS SETTLED!

     

    THIS IS YOUR HEADACHE:

    WHEN DID JESUS RCEIVED  THE SPIRIT DIRECTLY FROM THE FATHER, IN ORDER TO BECOME

    FLESH, DEFINED AS BLOOD!

    THIS IS VERY VERY VERY SIMPLE TO DISCOVER IF YOU READ MY POSTS, FOR ALL THE YEARS I POSTED ON HEAVENNET!

    ALSO THESE TWO SPIRITS ARE NO MORE TWO BUT ONE UNDER THE NAME OF

    JESUS CHRIST   THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH

     

    JESUS           THE SPIRIT WHICH BECAME BLOOD, FLESH

    CHRIST          THE HOLY SPIRIT,  WHICH BECAME WATER, SOUL

    IN WHICH JOHN USED HIS TERM:

     

    BLOOD AND WATER

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #798813
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    You should repent and turn to back the God of Israel.

    #798815
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    The Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ  PROCEEDED FORTH and CAME FROM God.

    Jn 8 42

     

     

    #798816
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    The Holy Spirit never LEFT God.

    Can your spirit LEAVE you?

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