PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence

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  • #793323
    carmel
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    I already stated that “in the name of” means by the authority of and if you are attempting to claim that authority is backed up by power just like the law of the land is backed up by the power of the government then I agree.

    Kerwin,

    Read scriptures

    2 In these days hath spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed

    HEIR OF ALL THINGS

    by whom also he made the world.

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory,                       a reference to the FATHER
    and the figure of his substance,                                        a reference to the Jesus’ body, the SON
    and upholding all things by the word of his power, a reference to the HOLY SPIRIT

    making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high.

    Now as you can read Jesus Christ is the FULLNESS OF GOD ALMIGHTY IN
    BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH!

    GOD OF ALL FLESH!

    THE SUPER ACHIEVMENT OF GOD ALMIGHTY!
    THE SUPER ENRICHMENT OF GOD ALMIGHTY!

    NOW BE AWARE THAT THE FATHER HAS TO WAIT TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IN ORDER TO POSSESS THAT UNIQUE POWER, WHICH JESUS CHRIST POSSESSES RIGHT NOW !!

    So it is not as you said hereunder:

    There is power involved but that comes from God via the Holy Spirit.

    Jesus is not backed by ANY power FROM GOD AT ALL!

    IT IS HIS UNIQUE POWER THROUGHOUT!

    WHICH  WAS ADDED ONTO HIS BY THE FATHER!!!

    THE FACT THAT JESUS EVENTUALLY WOULD TRANSFER THIS POWER ON THE LAST DAY TO THE FATHER, BUT NOT BEFORE THE FATHER, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT EMPOWERED BY JESUS CHRIST POWER,PUT ALL JESUS ENEMIES AS JESUS’ FOOTSTOOL!,

    NOTICE NOT THE FATHER’S ENEMIES, and NOT THE FATHER’S FOOT STOOL!! OK?

    FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS IS SUSTAINING THE ENTIRE UNIVERSES!

    NOT THE FATHER! OK?

    OBVIOUS,SINCE JESUS WAS ON EARTH AND POURED HIS BLOOD AND RECREATED ANEW THE ENTIRE CREATION, AND BECAME THE SOLE PROPRIETOR OF ALL THE UNIVERSES!

    IT’S GOD!!!! OF ALL,    HIS OWN TITLE!

    AND IT’S FATHER!!!! OF ALL HIS OWN TITLE!

    WHAT HE ACTUALLY MEANT WHEN HE SPOKE TO MAGDALENE!

    AND ALL ENEMIES MUST ACCEPT AND BE SUBJECT TO JESUS, AS GOD ALMIGHTY! NOT TO THE FATHER!!!

    8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

    SO JESUS’ KINGDOM IS FUNCTIONING FOR ETERNITY!

    SO ONLY A SIMPLE TRANSFER BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE SON WOULD ACTUALLY OCCUR!THEY SWAP THEIR POSITIONS!

    JESUS WOULD RETAIN HIS ORIGINAL SPIRIT WITHIN THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER WOULD RETAIN HIS ORIGINAL SPIRIT WITHIN JESUS’ BODY, AND  HE WOULD MANIFEST HIMSELF FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME! AS GOD/MAN JESUS!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #793325
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Jesus is not the only true God as he has the same God his brothers do.

    Kerwin,

    Jesus CAME in this world in all things like his brothers!

    Jesus left this world in all things which his brothers would eventually achieve on the last day of the Lord Jesus Christ!

    So right now Jesus Christ is NOT JUST THEIR BROTHER

    BUT ALSO

    IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!

    HE IS THE FATHER OF THE NEW WORLD!

    WHICH HE RECREATED ANEW THROUGH HIS BLOOD!

    BOTH FOR HIS FATHER, AND FOR HIS BROTHERS

    HIS OWN KIND AND UNIQUE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL! IN THE TRUTH! MANIFESTED ON EARTH!

    I REPEAT:

    IT IS:

    HIS OWN UNIQUE PARTICULAR FATHER!

    HIS OWN UNIQUE PARTICULAR MIGHTY GOD!

    CONFIRMED HEREUNDER:

    Isaiah 9:6

    For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor,

    GOD THE MIGHTY,

    the Father of the world to come,

    the Prince of Peace.

    JESUS CHRIST IS THE FULFILMENT OF GOD ALMIGHTY AS DECLARED ABOVE!

    SO JESUS WAS

    THE ONLY TRUE, TANGIBLE GOD, WHO WALKED ON EARTH FOR FORTY DAYS AND MANIFESTED

    GOD THE FATHER’S GLORY!

    THE FACT THAT NO ONE CAN BAPTISE, ACHIEVE MIRACLES, CAST OUT DEVILS AND SO ON, ON THIS PLANET!

    IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER! CLEAR????

    DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE FATHER IS UNKNOWN ON EARTH AS GOD!

    AND SATANA/FEMALE, CONSIDER HIMSELF/HERSELF ON EARTH GOD!

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #793327
    kerwin
    Participant

    Carmel,

    Jesus is still like his brothers because because came to save his fellow human beings. He did not come save angels or God himself as some claim without realizing it. Scripture literally teaches us that there is one human being that mediated between God and humankind and that he is Jesus Christ who chose to sacrifice his mortal life that we could be saved from this world and the things of this world.

    Hebrews 2:16-18Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

    16 For no where doth he take hold of the angels: but of the seed of Abraham he taketh hold.

    17 Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might become a merciful and faithful priest before God, that he might be a propitiation for the sins of the people.

    18 For in that, wherein he himself hath suffered and been tempted, he is able to succour them also that are tempted.

    #793331
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Jesus is still like his brothers

    Kerwin,

    READ AGAIN WHAT I POSTED:

    Jesus CAME in this world in all things like his brothers!

    Jesus left this world in all things which his brothers would eventually achieve on the last day of the Lord Jesus Christ!

    So right now Jesus Christ is NOT JUST THEIR BROTHER

    BUT ALSO

    IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!

    HE IS THE FATHER OF THE NEW WORLD!

    WHICH HE RECREATED ANEW THROUGH HIS BLOOD!

    BOTH FOR HIS FATHER, AND FOR HIS BROTHERS

    HIS OWN KIND AND UNIQUE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL! IN THE TRUTH! MANIFESTED ON EARTH!

    I REPEAT:

    IT IS:

    HIS OWN UNIQUE PARTICULAR FATHER!

    HIS OWN UNIQUE PARTICULAR MIGHTY GOD!

    CONFIRMED HEREUNDER:

    Isaiah 9:6

    For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor,

    GOD THE MIGHTY,

    the Father of the world to come,

    the Prince of Peace.

    JESUS CHRIST IS THE FULFILMENT OF GOD ALMIGHTY AS DECLARED ABOVE!

    SO JESUS WAS

    THE ONLY TRUE, TANGIBLE GOD, WHO WALKED ON EARTH FOR FORTY DAYS AND MANIFESTED

    GOD THE FATHER’S GLORY!

    THE FACT THAT NO ONE CAN BAPTISE, ACHIEVE MIRACLES, CAST OUT DEVILS AND SO ON, ON THIS PLANET!

    IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER! CLEAR????

    DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE FATHER IS UNKNOWN ON EARTH AS GOD!

    AND SATANA/FEMALE, CONSIDER HIMSELF/HERSELF ON EARTH GOD!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #793436
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Jesus is still like his brothers

    Kerwin,

    Read herunder:

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come: and he hath given us understanding that

    WE MAY KNOW THE TRUE GOD,

     

    SO THROUGH JESUS PRESENCE, HIS PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION ON EARTH:

    WE MAY KNOW THE TRUE GOD THE FATHER, SO GOD IN A PARTICULAR WAY, WAS AND IS HANDICAPPED IN THIS REGARD!SINCE IF HE MADE IT POSSIBLE TO BE SEEN ON EARTH HE WOULD HAVE ERADICATED THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE IN SECONDS!

     

     

    AND MAY BE IN HIS TRUE SON. AN EMPHASIS: GOD MAY BE PHYSICALLY SEEN IN HIS TRUE SON

    THIS IS THE TRUE GOD AND LIFE ETERNAL. AN AFFIRMATION NOW:

    JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUE GOD AND LIFE ETERNAL! ON THIS PLANET!

     

    NOW IS HE LIKE YOU AND ME  BY ANY CHANCE???

     

    OR RATHER IN THE TRUTH,  YOU AND ME WOULD BE LIKE HIM ON THE LAST DAY????

     

    SINCE YOU AND ME  DIE IN CORRUPTION !!!!!!

     

    1 John 3:2 Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God; and it hath not yet appeared WHAT WE SHALL BE.

    We know, that,

    WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR,

    WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM:

    because we shall see him as

     HE IS.

     

    GOD ALMIGHTY AS, AND IN THE GLORIFIED BODY OF JESUS CHRIST!

     

    THEN WE WOULD BE LIKE

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST !

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #793457
    kerwin
    Participant

    Carmal,

    SO THROUGH JESUS PRESENCE, HIS PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION ON EARTH:

    This is not the words of Scripture. Instead we are told:

    Matthew 1:1Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

    #793458
    kerwin
    Participant

    Carmal,

    Jesus Spiritual nature reveals whom God is.

    The Spirit also reveals whom God is.

    #793460
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    So many words.

    So little relevance

    #793461
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Carmel

    Your declaration is that Jesus Christ has now become the Father, so what happened to the Father that sent him?

    #793551
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Your declaration is that Jesus Christ has now become the Father, so what happened to the Father that sent him?

    bodhitharta,

    As far as I know I was clear and simple, but for the sake of clarity read again:

    1 John 3:2 Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God; and it hath not yet appeared WHAT WE SHALL BE.

    We know, that,

    WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR,

    WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM: because we shall see him as

    HE IS

    GOD ALMIGHTY AS, AND IN THE GLORIFIED BODY OF JESUS CHRIST! IS THIS CLEAR ENOUGH??????????????

    WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT SINCE THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT???

    WHY WOULD THE FATHER SEND HIS SON, HIS UNIQUE ABODE, “THE WORD” ESTABLISHED BEFORE ANYTHING WAS EVER CREATED TO THE HUMAN PLANET, IF NOT TO REDEEM ALL HUMANITY, AND IN THE SAME INSTANT HE WOULD BE IN THAT SAME UNIQUE GLORIFIED BODY TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO BE SEEN BOTH IN ALL HIS CREATURES, AND ALSO LIKE HIS CREATURES!

    TO BE IN HIS UNIQUE EXTREME, VERSATILE, VASTNESS,AND ENTIRELY BOTH INTERIORLY,

    THE ENTIRE SPIRITUAL CREATURES, AND EXTERIORLY

    THE ENTIRE PHYSICAL CREATURES

    THEN WE WOULD BE LIKE

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, SPIRITS, AND JESUS CHRIST PHYSICAL !

    NOW THIS IS FOR YOU:

    THE FATHER WOULD BE :

    ALL IN ALL

    ONE

    GOD ALMIGHTY IN THE TRUTH

     

    THERE WON’T BE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD AND CREATURES

     

    NOW THIS IS SOMETHING WHICH MAKES YOU PONDER:

     

    WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON,”THE WORD” JESUS CHRIST

     

    THE ENTIRE CREATURES WOULD BE IN THE TRUTH THE NEW

    LUCIFER

    SO LUCIFER WOULD BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH,

    BUT THROUGH GOD’S LOVE WAY

    NOT THROUGH LUCIFER’S SELF LOVE WAY

     

    Luke 15:31 But he said to him:

    Son, thou art always with me, and

     

    ALL I HAVE IS YOURS . “THE WORD” JESUS CHRIST!

     

    32But it was fit that we should make merry and be glad, for this thy brother

    LUCIFER

    was dead and is come to life again; he was lost, and is found.

     

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #793565
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    For the sake of clarity say nothing.

    #793628
    carmel
    Participant

     

    This is not the words of Scripture. Instead we are told:

    Matthew 1:1Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

     

    Kerwin,

     

    WHAT’S THAT SUPPOSE TO MEAN IN THE TRUTH?

     

    THAT JESUS IS NOT THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE OF GOD?

     

    OR

     

    THE GENERATIONS WHICH MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR GOD TO BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT ON EARTH AS A HUMAN BEING,

     

    NOTICE YOU MENTIONED DAVID! OK?

     

    WHAT IS THE REASON THAT HE STARTED FROM DAVID AND SO ON ?

     

    BELIEVE IT OR NOT:

     

    SCRIPTURALLY DISCERNED BY VERY FEW, DAVID WAS A LOW GRADE ANGEL AND THE ONLY ONE WHO REFUSED TO REBEL, AND GOD, TO KEEP HIS UNFATHOMABLE PROCESS IN CONSISTENCY,

    PERFECTLY WITHOUT ANY KIND OF  ENDING, AND RESTART

    ETERNALLY INCESSANTLY  PRODUCTIVE!

     

    SIMPLY INFINITE THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE LOVE STATE OF EXISTENCE!

    THROUGH DAVID, ESTABLISHED HIS OWN GENERATION TO BE BORN IN THIS WORLD IN JESUS’BODY! “THE WORD” MADE FLESH

     

    THE FACT THAT IT IS DECLARED SO IN HEBREWS1:11  They shall perish, but thou shalt continue:………

     

    SO DAVID WAS A REMNANT OF LUCIFER, WHICH MEANS,

    A CREATURE FROM THE CREATION OF THE  VERY FIRST BEGINNING!

     

    NOW FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY TRUE GOD ON EARTH!

     

    READ AND PRAY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO GIVE YOU LIGHT AND TRUTH!

     

    PSALM18:

    4The sorrows of death surrounded me: and the torrents of iniquity troubled me.<

    5The sorrows of hell encompassed me: and the snares of death prevented me.

    6In my affliction I called upon the Lord, and I cried to my God: And he heard my voice from his holy temple: and my cry before him came into his ears.<

    REFERENCE TO GENESIS 1:2 7 THE EARTH SHOOK AND TREMBLED:THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE MOUNTAINS WERE TROUBLED AND WERE MOVED  because he was angry with them.

    8There went up a smoke in his wrath: and a fire flamed from his face: coals were kindled by it.

    9 HE BOWED THE HEAVENS, AND CAME DOWN: DARKNESS WAS UNDER HIS FEET.

    10And he ascended upon the cherubim, and he flew; he flew upon the wings of the winds.

    11 AND HE MADE DARKNESS HIS COVERT, HIS PAVILION ROUND ABOUT HIM: DARK WATERS IN THE CLOUDS OF THE AIR

    12At the brightness that was before him the clouds passed, hail and coals of fire.

     

    A REFERENCE TO Genesis  1:3    13 And the Lord thundered from heaven, and THE HIGHEST GAVE HIS VOICE : hail and coals of fire.

     

    LET THERE BE LIGHT!

     

    14 And he sent forth his arrows, and he scattered them: he multiplied lightnings, and troubled them.

     

    A REFERENCE TO Genesis 1:6,9  15 Then the fountains of waters appeared, and the foundations of the world were discovered: At thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the spirit of thy wrath.

     

    16 HE SENT FROM HIGH, AND TOOK ME:

    AND RECEIVED ME OUT OF THE WATERS

    17He delivered me from my strongest enemies, and from them that hated me: for they were too strong for me.

    18They prevented me in the day of my affliction: and the Lord became my protector.

    19 AND HE BROUGHT ME FORTH INTO A LARGE PLACE:

    he saved me, because he was well pleased with me.

    Kerwin,

    I am waiting for you to give me a more reliable reason

    WHY DAVID WAS CHOSEN TO BE GOD’S HOLY GENERATION ON EARTH!

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #793631
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    God was IN Christ.

    God was never a human being.

    Back to the drawing board.

    #793655
    carmel
    Participant

     

    God was IN Christ.

    God was never a human being.

    Nick,

    ALL hereunder is a reference to THE SOUL WHICH IS SYMBOLICALLY mentioned as THE HEAD

     

    DUE TO THE FACT THAT:

    A HEAD WITHOUT A BODY IS NOTHING, AND VICE VERSA!

    AND SO IS THE SOUL WITHOUT A BODY!!

    SO THE SOUL AND A BODY IS MEANT TO BE ONE ENTITY

     

    Genesis 1:27 And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him:

    male and female he created them.

    Genesis 2:24……………and they shall be two in one flesh.

    God created Adam and Eve to represent the SOUL AND THE FLESH, AS man and woman respectively!!!

     

     

     

    1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know,

    that the head of every man is Christ; THE FACT THE FIRST MAN WAS A LIVING SOUL, AND THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS MAN!

    and the head of the woman is the man; THE FACT THAT WOMEN RECEIVE THEIR SOUL THROUGH MAN, ON CONCEPTION! AND EVE RECEIVED IT FROM ADAM!

    and the head of Christ is God. THE FACT THE JESUS SOUL WAS GOD AS HE RECEIVED IT  BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!

     

    SO AS YOU SAID:

    GOD WAS IN CHRIST!

    BUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS IN CHRIST

    HE ALSO WAS A MAN!

    IN THE SAME SENSE THAT YOUR SOUL IS ALSO A MAN!

    THE FACT THAT IF YOU HAPPEN TO GO TO HEAVEN,

    WE SIMPLY SAY:

    NICK IS IN HEAVEN!

    AND ON THE LAST DAY YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR OWN ACTUAL BODY! NICK’S

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #793658
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Carmel does make some very good theological points here imo.For how is it that in Matt 28 Jesus says”all authority is given to me in heaven and on earth”? If he has all authority in heaven,how is that?Isn’t heaven God’s domain? and maybe even earth for that matter?

    Whereas in St. John’s gospel it appears he has this authority from the Father already even before he was resurrected and exalted.

    #793712
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Whereas in St. John’s gospel it appears he has this authority from the Father already even before he was resurrected and exalted.

    AndrewAD,

    Reflect on God’s declaration:

    Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.

    As you can read “THE WORD” of God, Jesus’ spirit, In the beginning, John’s gospel, left the Father,

    LET THERE BE LIGHT

    it reached it’s destination, it’s climax on the cross, ended Satan’s momentum,

    AS JESUS CONFIRMED IN JOHN’S GOSPEL: WHEN I AM LIFTED UP ALL THINGS COMES UNTO ME

    and started it’s turning point back to the Father on resurrection!

    Now,we are in “the word’s”  momentum, it is conserved, and prospering ETERNALLY in the things for which God sent it! Notwithstanding the fact that tangibly is not so!

    So Jesus had authority as soon as He left the Father,

    WHEN HE WAS STILL A SPIRIT IN FULL POWER OF THE FATHER

    HE CREATED ALL

    HE BECAME FLESH

    and through His death on the cross, He redeemed all, recreated all, and became himself:

    THE UNIQUE FATHER AND GOD OF IT THROUGH HIS UNIQUE BLOOD,IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH:

    GOD OF ALL FLESH!

    John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he may give eternal life to all whom thou hast given him.

    OBVIOUS: SINCE ONLY HE, AND NOT THE FATHER, WAS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF CREATION:

    BOTH A SPIRIT BEING, AND A FLESH BEING FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER,

     

    ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM,AND  ALL FOR HIM !!!

     

    SERVING BOTH THE FATHER, AND ALSO HIS CREATURES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF EARTH DECLARED IN

    John 17 :4 I have glorified thee on the earth;

    I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. CREATED ALL,ON THAT MOMENT IN TIME!

    5 And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with thee.

    NOTICE IT IS DECLARED: GLORIFY YOU ME , O FATHER WITH YOURSELF…… AND EMPHASISED AT THE END : WITH YOU.

    SO GOD’S FULL AUTHORITY OF THE FATHER AND THE SON WERE ALWAYS IN THE SAME GLORY!

    IN FULL HARMONY, FUNCTIONED AND STILL FUNCTIONING, AND WILL REMAIN FUNCTIONING FOR ETERNITY AS

    ONE

    NO MATTER HOW MANY CREATURES WOULD EVENTUALLY GOD’S KINGDOM ETERNALLY PROSPER!

    NEVER ENDS!

    SO IT ONLY SIMPLY NEEDED TO BE DECLARED:

     

    OFFICIALLY ON EARTH!   the turning point, ITS PURPOSE, for all the entire creation TO RETURN TO THE UNIQUE TRUE FATHER, AS CHILDREN OF GOD

     

    THROUGH HIS OWN MOST POWERFUL NAME:

     

    JESUS CHRIST

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #793717
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Dear Carmel, you do have a great theological mind,in your grasp to put what seems such fragmented ideas together,not unlike St.Origen who although he was later condemned is still held in honor among many even if just discreetly.

    God bless you and thanks for sharing!

    #793718
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Dear Carmel, you do have a great theological mind,in your grasp to put what seems such fragmented ideas together,not unlike St.Origen who although he was later condemned is still held in honor among many even if just discreetly.

    God bless you and thanks for sharing!

    Dear AndrewAD,

    IF IT WASN’T YOU THAT GAVE ME LIGHT, I WOULDN’T HAVE SAID ALL THAT,

    ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT MINE AT ALL, IT’S THE HOLY SPIRIT IN ME

    IT’S GOD’S GLORY NOT MINE

    OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS CHRISTIANS IS TO

    PROCLAIM JESUS CHRIST

    AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND FATHER! ISAIAH 9:6

    FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #794330
    Lightenup
    Participant

    The Father of the Son is NOT the Son He is the Father of. Jesus is the Son in truth and was always the Son in truth, not by designation.

    #794336
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    So Sons do not have a beginning?

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