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Nick,
Hi KW,
In your personal view perhaps.
But should you add those ?
These are the words of a fool. How should I, as a follower of Christ, address them?
They are sounding foolish because I am convinced you know what a sign is and though you read about an event the conveys a meaning to its observers you deny that event is a sign. Since “an event that conveys a meaning is one of the definitions of sign it follows that I am not voicing opinion but rather a fact and that you are not acting rational.
In case you are wondering I went to dictionary.com and got that definition though I omitted a few words that are possible alternatives of the word event. Neither of us should have to use a dictionary to find the definitions of the word “sign”.
If I had misused the word “sign” then you would have grounds to question my use of English. I clearly did not.
I may be wrong and your understanding of using common English words is imperfect.
“Hi KW,
You would risk calling me fool?
So be it.
The word SIGN is not in the scripture we discuss.
But you see it there.
“..We too might walk in newness of life.”
MIGHT is a word that includes choices and options.
Nick,
I already pointed out why you are sounding like a fool and yet you continue in your nonsense. You know what the word sign means and that the Gentiles speaking in tongues was a sign that to Peter and his companions. That is what the word sign means.
Your argument boils down to since the word sign is not is not literally in the passage therefore speaking in tongues cannot be used as a word to describe what happened. It is failed reasoning. I consider it so poor that it is a bad fruit.
I am using the English word “sign” to describe what the Spirit accomplished. What is did as serve to reveal to Peter and his companions that the Gentiles were just as approved of God as the 120 deciles were on Pentecost.
You can claim that is did not reveal that they were approved of God and/or the speaking of tongues did not prove that but the bottom line is the actions of Peter and his companions tell a different story.
Why bother arguing a case you cannot win before you open your mouth. Thing before you respond.
Nick,
You would be wise to parse the words of others carefully as I did not say you were a fool but instead claimed that your words were those of a fool. Is is similar to what Job told his wife when she gave him foolish advice.
Hi KW,
So if we do not see SIGN written it indicates to you BAD FRUIT?
Is this fruit shown in Gal 5?
Perhaps you have wandered so far from truth that good looks evil now?
Hi KW,
Have you appointed yourself as a paragon of truth?
The gifts of the Holy Spirit can be as a sign to unbelievers[1cor] but the message for the apostles was that God considered those with Cornelius as vessels clean enough to receive the Holy Spirit even without the washing. The apostles did not yet know that this blessing was to go beyond Israel to the gentiles so God overcame their doubts.
Nick,
Hi KW,
Have you appointed yourself as a paragon of truth?
The gifts of the Holy Spirit can be as a sign to unbelievers[1cor] but the message for the apostles was that God considered those with Cornelius as vessels clean enough to receive the Holy Spirit even without the washing. The apostles did not yet know that this blessing was to go beyond Israel to the gentiles so God overcame their doubts.
I see you are starting to agree with me but Acts does not say that the Counselor came to them. It is that God assigns to the Spirit but it simply does not happen outside of those entering the new covenant. What Scripture states is the new life should begin when believers, including the house of Cornelius, are immersed.
Nick,
Hi KW,
It seems that disagreement with your intellectual dogmas now defines men as fools
Denying that events that fit a word’s definition can be described with that word is the act of a foolish person.
Hi KW,
God does not follow your pedantic thought pattern.
Legalism has no place in spiritual understanding
Hi KW,
Scripture does not say that the Counsellor came to them?
Do you not believe the in signs that you said occurred?
Scripture says “The Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to them”
Do you not believe scripture either?
Hi KW,
When the Spirit fell on these men do you imagine it was something different from when the Spirit came by the laying on of hands? Was it just transient DO YOU THINK or the sharing of eternal life in the Spirit?
Hi KW,
Read Rom 6 again and you will see that baptism is immersion in the death of Jesus.
It is in the giving of the Spirit of life that we are raised to eternal life with him.
Hi KW,
Rebirth from above is not the completion of the plan but the new starting point.
We are gifted with an earnest of the Spirit and it is up to us to ensure that investment produces a profit for our Master.
Hi KW,
Peter saw told this three times before he met the gentiles in Acts 10
Acts 10.15
“What God has cleansed no longer consider unholy”
God cleansed them and they were ready to be infilled with the Spirit.
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Instead they tell us that the rules for the existence of the abode of the angels and the abode of humanity were the first things God created.
Kerwin,
God was on his own!
Humans in order to abide in their own houses, build by themselves for their own use, they must possess tools and material FIRST!
God in order to abide in his own house, created by himself for his own use, established
HIS TOOLS AND MATERIAL FIRST,
Lucifer and his angels
LUCIFER AND HIS ANGELS HAD DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS RELATED TO THEIR OWN WORK!
LUCIFER HIMSELF WAS THE ACTUAL ENERGY OF ALL HIS OWN ANGELS, AND ALSO THEIR CREATOR!
THROUGH “THE WORD” FROM WITHIN HIMSELF HE CREATED THEM ACCORDING TO THEIR APPROPRIATE SUBSTANCE WHICH THEY THEMSELVES WOULD FORM A PHYSICAL TANGIBLE BODY BOTH SPIRIT AND MATTER ETERNALLY EXISTED, BUT THROUGH GOD’S WORD THEY COULD RETURN TO A SPIRIT FORM! AND ALSO MAINTAIN THE ACTUAL COSMICAL CREATURES THEY THEMSELVES FORMED/ ESTABLISHED!
THIS IS A HINT OF THE CONTINUOUS ENRICHMENT OF GOD,
HE CREATES, HE RECREATES AND NEVER STOP CREATING, AND IN THE SAME TIME HE NEVER LOSES ANYTHING FROM WHAT HE PREVIOUSLY CREATED THROUGH ONE SAME SOURCE
SO TO MAKE IT CLEAR:
THE ACTUAL ANGELS AFTER THEY WERE CREATED, THEY THEMSELVES FORMED THE PLANETS.THEY COMBINED, COMPRESSED FORMED MATTER!
BUT ONCE THEY SINNED THEY COULDN’T RETURN TO A SPIRITUAL FORM AGAIN TO CREATE AGAIN, AND REMAINED HARD! WITHOUT GOD’S GLORY IN THEM INSTEAD THEY WERE ALL FULL OF GOD’S WRATH, SATANA’S SPIRIT!AND IN ORDER FOR GOD TO CREATE AGAIN THROUGH THEM
LISTEN TO THIS KERWIN!
HE BURNS THEM WITH FIRE TO PURIFY THEM AND RECREATE AGAIN NEW CREATURES!
NOW REFLECT HOW MANY TIMES OUR EARTH WENT INTO THIS TOTAL DESTRUCTIVE PROCESS!
WHICH ACCORDING TO PETER WE HAVE TO FACE ALL OF A SUDDEN SINCE WE ARE NOT LIVING IN CHRIST!!!
THE FACT THAT SATAN HIMSELF SAID TO JESUS:
And the tempter coming said to him: If thou be the Son of God,
command that these stones be made bread.
THE ABOVE IS A DIRECT REFERENCE TO THE SOULS WITHIN THE HARD DEAD BODY OF MAN! RELATED TO THEIR SPIRIT SOFTNESS STATE!
SO WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT:
YOU HAVE ANOTHER PERCEPTION REGARDING WHICH CAME FIRST BETWEEN THE ANGELS AND PLANETS!
THE FACT THAT GOD SAID:
YOUR WAYS ARE NOT MY WAYS……………………..
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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