- This topic has 19,164 replies, 120 voices, and was last updated 1 year, 1 month ago by
.
- Posts
Hi t8,
ME: Luke 1 tells you that the child that is born IS the son of David and that he WILL be great and that he WILL be called the Son of the Highest.
YOU: Totally fits if he came from Heaven and is back in the glory that he had with the Father before the universe was created.
ME: Totally fits with God’s word from 1 Chronicles 17, where first you have the son of David and then God says “I will be His Father” and that God will give him his father David’s throne for eternity.
Isn’t the glory within the passage I was speaking of in Luke that he receives his father David’s throne for all eternity? And wasn’t it God’s word from the beginning that a man would execute God’s purpose of bringing salvation to Zion for Israel’s glory? Also it is God’s word declared from ancient of days that a ruler over Israel would come forth from the tribe of Judah.
Hi t8,
YOU:Did it cross your mind that Jesus was telling people who he was and that he was much more than what people saw?
ME: What I know is that Jesus wanted us to know that he could do nothing of himself, and that as a son of a human he was going to return in His Father’s glory.
What was God’s purpose from the beginning but to make man into His own image, and Jesus is that man who shed his blood and was raised having received the promised Holy Spirit, was begotten by God, and received the mercies promised unto his father David.
When Jesus rose from the dead he taught his disciples of himself according to Old Testament prophecies I’m sure like that of Isaiah 46 and Micah 5, along with Isaiah 53, Psalms 8, and 89, so that they would know not only exactly who he was but what he still of God’s word was going to fulfill. They could see in Jesus that God’s promises from before the world began were true and they should then be confident that what was left still undone would be completed.
Berean…..those words were about a Lamb slain, for the Sins of the world, it was not a Glory and Honor , and Power, for someone who prexisted. But for a person who performed all those things while alive as a human being on this earth. That has nothing to do with proving Jesus prexisted with all that Honor and Power and Glory.
Jesus ask his deciples what would they do, if they seem him rise up where he was before, he was talking about his death and resurection that was to take place, not about any heavenly prexistence.
Why do you people try so hard to make Jesus out to be different from his human brothers and sisters all the time? While Jesus our lord was deffinitly a unique human being, none the less he was still a human being and is still a human being.
In Jesus we human beings should see, our potential, to become like him, and with God the Fathers help “exactly” like him. He is the prototype of what the Father had and has in mind for us all from the very beginning . It’s sad, you people can’t see that, why, because you have moved him away from any personal identification with him, through your false teachings that creates your, “DOCTRINES OF SEPERATION”, be careful you may, get what you are so hard trying to achieve, a “SEPERATION” from JESUS.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Gene…
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.revelation 19
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
JESUS CHRIST = THE WORD OF GOD
revelation 19
[13] And he (HolySpirit) was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.Look for truth Berean, forget the lies of religion!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Compare Isaiah 63:2-4,10 to Rev 19:13,15,21
2 “Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 I have trodden the winepress alone (see Rev 19:15); and of the people there was none with me:
for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury;
and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment (see Rev 19:13).
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come (see Psalm 110:2).”10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was
turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them (see Rev 19:21).”HOLY SPIRIT = THE WORD OF GOD
Hi Berean,
Read the Word of God below, the prophecy of a man who would die for our sins.
Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed….
….10 Yet it pleased YHVH to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the YHVH shall prosper in his hand.11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
This WORD OF GOD which expressed God’s purpose and was of His plan from the beginning, was made true in the MAN JESUS, whose flesh was wounded, whose flesh was bruised, and whose flesh BLED unto death on a cross.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Berean it is TRUTH to say,
THE WORD OF GOD spoken long ago was fulfilled IN THE MAN JESUS.
We believe in Jesus, which is equivalent to believing that THE WORD OF GOD IS TRUE, such is WHY his name can rightfully be called THE WORD OF GOD.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of THE WORD OF GOD, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Berean pay close attention,
Isaiah 43:5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; 6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; 7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. 8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears. 9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth. 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. 12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Berean, IN THE BEGINNING WAS YHVH’s WORD, HIS PURPOSE, ETERNAL LIFE FOR MANKIND.
Jesus is that WORD made true, as he is the first begotten of the dead. By him we believe in God that His WORD of eternal life declared before the world began is true. Jesus was raised from the dead by God and was given glory, we have faith and hope in God believing that we are joint heirs with Jesus the Anointed One of the Spirit, that we are to be glorified together with him, likewise being heirs of God, where those that are led by the Spirit of God being anointed with His Spirit, are the Sons of God.
Jesus the Son of Man received the very glory that was OF GOD declared from the beginning. Where the Spirit is there is life, when that Spirit is upon you in full measure it causes you to walk in all of God’s ways, therefore there is NO SIN AND THUS NO DEATH, only eternal life, why we are told that the Spirit is life because of righteousness, and the WORD OF GOD IS SPIRIT and is LIFE.
Jesus is that WORD made true, he was anointed with the Spirit which caused him to be obedient, as it was a calling to righteousness where God directs all your ways. He could not be held to the penalty of death because no sin could be found in him, he was raised from the dead receiving the PROMISED HOLY SPIRIT which equates to receiving ETERNAL LIFE, because the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
In the beginning was THE WORD (promise of eternal life by God’s Spirit upon you), and THE WORD (eternal life) was with God, and THE WORD was God (as the WORD is God’s Spirit upon you bringing forth eternal life through righteousness).
THE MAN who would execute God’s purpose declared from the beginning would become the first begotten of the dead upon being called to righteousness having God’s Spirit upon him for to fulfill God’s covenant and be for a LIGHT. This man WAS OF God’s WORD declared from the beginning. He received the glory that was OF God, held in His purpose and His word, from the beginning.
This man is NOT YHVH, he is not God, he is the man who YHVH said, “I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death:
This man does so as the son of David, God’s Son according to the Spirit, where he sits on his father David’s throne according to the flesh, being the man ordained of God to judge the world.
To all
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
revelation 19
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
JESUS CHRIST = THE WORD OF GOD
THE RETURN OF JESUS(THE Son of GOD)
REVELATION 19
[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he(Jesus) that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.(For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:John 5;22)
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns;(Rev.19[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.) and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
To all……Anyone with half a brain should know “a word “itself” can never be Flesh. So the only other alternative is to understand what is meant by “the word” became Flesh right?, notice carefully is says, “the word”, became (came to be) flesh. THAT IS TRUE, BUT YOU MUST EXPLAIN THE DEFINITE ARTICLE “the” written their, the word, what word? , the word “of” prophesy given by God “came into being , it was the “man” Jesus Christ. None of that is saying that the flesh man Jesus “himself” “is” God’s word just that he is the fulfillment of God’s word. Jesus himself said clearly this “the words I am telling you are “NOT” MY, WORDS.
SO if Jesus “denied” HIMSELF as “being” God’s Words , by saying those words were “not his”, then how can we explain the statement , “the word became flesh”, easy as explained above, Jesus Christ was the “fulfillment of God the Fathers word”. Notice also it dosen’t say “the words of God “themselves” became flesh , it say the “word” (singular) became flesh, so that Begs the question what word?, the word of a prophetic statement by GOD himself , CAME TO BE, into existence it was the flesh man Jesus. None of that ever made Jesus himself the word of God.
You people never quite trying to “Seperate” Jesus from his human roots, continuing to force text to say what they in fact are not saying.
To him that has eyes to see.
Peace and love to you and yours………..gene
revelation 19
[13] And he (HolySpirit) was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.Look for truth BEREAN, forget the lies of religion!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Compare Isaiah 63:2-4,10 to Rev 19:13,15,21
2 “Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 I have trodden the winepress alone (see Rev 19:15); and of the people there was none with me:
for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury;
and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment (see Rev 19:13).
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come (see Psalm 110:2).”10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he (HolySpirit) was
turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them (see Revelation 19:21).”HOLY SPIRIT = THE WORD OF GOD
Edj
you
” BUT THEY REBELLED, AND VEXED HIS HOLY SPIRIT: THEREFORE HE (HOLYSPIRIT) WAS
TURNED TO BE THEIR ENEMY, AND HE FOUGHT AGAINST THEM (SEE REVELATION 19:21).”me
BUT THEY REBELLED, AND VEXED HIS HOLY SPIRIT: THEREFORE HE (GOD) WAS
TURNED TO BE THEIR ENEMY, AND HE FOUGHT AGAINST THEM (SEE REVELATION 19:21).”THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND CHRIST(Romans 8:9…But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)
ANTHONY, so how does that make Jesus any “different” then we are? the same thing that applied to him applies to us.
The Spirit of God, that was in Jesus, that is called the “Christos” is in all his brothers and sisters who God the Father has given it to.
“Now If the Spirit of him that raised Jesus from the grave dwell “in” you, he (God) that raised Jesus from the dead will also quicken your mortal body.”
Same Spirit doing the same work, in the same flesh bodies. No difference, so why do you people try so hard to make Jesus appear so different then the rest of us? You turn him into your God, and worship him as your God, is that not robbing God the Father of his glory?
Preaching anything that moves Jesus away from the rest of humanity, is a “doctrine of separation ” that is exactly what Satan intended when he started those teachings. 2THS2.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
To all, scripture say Jesus was a second “Adam”, now ask youself, did Adam “prprexist his life on this earth”? , NO HE DID NOT , Nor the man Jesus either. IF Jesus did “prexist” , then he most deffenitly was not a true “second Adam” . GOD made Adams DNA, he also gave Jesus his. Was Jesus of the seed of the women Eve, Yes he was, as “all living flesh are” . THERE IS NO, scripture that says Jesus was anykind of “preexisting being” before his birth on this earth at all.
Everyone that moves Jesus away from his human origins in anyway is doing “exactly what SATAN wants him to do, why., because Satan wants you to truly believe Jesus is “different” then we are, why? Because you will think you cannot achieve to the exact same thing he has, and believing that you will lose hope and not even try to .
Eph 4:13…..Till we all come in the unity of the Faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a “Perfect” man, unto the “measure” of the “stature ” of the “FULNESS” of Christ.
How many of you, who believe Jesus was a preexisting God or what ever, can honestly say you can come to “the fullness of Christ “, while at the same time believing he was completely different the you are? NONE OF YOU CAN! , THAT’S “EXACTLY” what Satan wants you to believe. AND THAT DECEPTION ” works through his “Doctrine of Separation” , spread by his teachers who teach his teachings of a different kind of human being Jesus is and was.
Peace and love to you all and yours. ……..gene
Gene
You don’t tell the truth
Jesus HIMSELF says he preexisted with the Father
but you have your eyes closed on the texts that say it … your heart is closed to this precious truthTHE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND CHRIST(Romans 8:9…But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)
No Berean,
The HolySpirit is the Spirit of God. And
the Spirit of Christ is the spirit of the Son.Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me,
he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and
WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him.” (John 14:23)Who is the WE? Romans 8:9 tells us:
1 the Spirit of God
2 the Spirit of ChristTwo different spirits
Edj…..The spirit of the “Christos ” is the Spirit of God, it is and was always the anointing Spirit of God, which is also given to us as it was also given to Jesus, how be it, we have the “earnest” of it now, not the Fullness that Jesus has now and had while on this earth.
There is only “one Spirit” of God that is in all and though “all”.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Berean
Your right the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Word or God. Scriptures says this plan and simple. I agree with you.
The Holy Spirit. Is not a person or part of the so call trinity.
God bless
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
