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Hi Anthony,
Jesus was not JUST a MAN, he was UNLIKE any ordinary MAN, he BECAME CHRIST, the anointed man with God’s Spirit without measure, who bled from his human flesh, DYING FOR YOU!
He wasn’t JUST a man, he was the PROMISED SEED that would come from the lineage of Abraham, who all nations would be blessed through.
He is not JUST a man, like some ordinary man, He is our master, our mediator to our Creator, and through the power of our Creator’s Spirit he was appointed to be our savior and king of kings ruling over his father David’s throne for an eternity.
He wasn’t JUST a man, he BECAME a perfect MAN through his suffering for YOU and for God. He was the only man to submit fully to our Creator’s will, a Creator who loves us and made us HUMANS of the red earth, in His image.
Jesus was able to overcome because of how our Creator designed the human brain. We are special creatures more intelligent than all other Creatures God had made.. If God was not working in us, having made us able to become like Him in His image, we would remain like a brute beast.
Hi Jodi,
The design of the human brain gave no advantage to men.
God can make sons of Abraham from these stones.
It is all about the transforming abilities of our God by His Spirit.
Nick…..what is the “Only” way, ” all the hairs of your head could be numbered” and stored, if not through YOUR DNA. Our DNA stores every feature of our bodies and from that we can be replicated at any time. So if our present bodies were completly destroyed it can be replicated exactly as it was before. The same works with a seed, the seed stores the exact plant DNA it came from and when planted it will reproduce it exactly the plant it came from. Not one ounce of defference. So it is with those that are resructed from the dead.
You disdain for the human race will have to be dealt with, you hold it in descust, but GOD HOLD US IN GLORY AND HONOUR, AND HAS PUT “ALL” THING UNDER OUR FEET. READ HEB. 2:6-11. maybe that will help you focus better brother.
Mankind will always be mankind just as Jesus now is and will come the same way. He being a son of man will come with great power and glory, he told us. We are looking for the comming of the son of man , you on the other hand are looking for the comming of some other kind of creature it appears, another creature you have yet to describe to us. I believe Jesus meant what he said, over 80 times in scripture, that he was a son of man, he also is a son of God, so are we also.
You ask us to dig deeper but you do not produce scripture to back up your so-called deeper understandings. We produce scriptures, where is your scriptures at?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Nick,
What do you think it is that He is transforming with His Spirit? It is our mind, which exists in our brains.
1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
carnal Sarkikos
fleshly, carnal
having the nature of flesh, i.e. under the control of the animal appetites
governed by mere human nature not by the Spirit of God
having its seat in the animal nature or aroused by the animal nature
human: with the included idea of depravity
pertaining to the flesh
to the body: related to birth, linage, etcNick you are not listening to the word of God and what it tells you,
Read through this passage carefully,
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Through the imagination of men, their foolish heart was darkened, and changed the truth of God into a LIE. Men have created false gods through their own imagination and it brought darkness. We do not follow the imagination of wicked invisible Spirits, our brains have the ability to imagine and create lies. The devil/slanderer is MAN. This passage is telling us this clearly.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding,
They did not retain God in their knowledge, He gave them over to a reprobate mind, the carnal mind as Paul speaks in 1 Corinthians 3. A mind that is under the control of our carnal NATURE, that which ANIMALS are under the control of.
Bears fight for territory, for food as do other earth creatures, including humans. But unlike other creatures that God created on earth, He made us in His image, He gave us brains that are highly more suffocated and intelligent, He gave us the ability for our brains to acquire the fruits of His Spirit,
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Natural Phusikos
- produced by nature, inborn
- agreeable to nature
- governed by (the instincts of) nature
Brute Alogos
- destitute of reason
- contrary to reason, absurd
Beasts Zoon
- a living being
- an animal, brute, beast
Men LIE, they speak what they do not understand because they are ignorant like a natural brute beast.
We are BORN ignorant creatures, but through God’s Spirit He can transform our brains from a carnal mind, like that of ANIMALS to a mind that is spiritual being LED by God through receiving Wisdom, understanding, and knowledge.
Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
The Pharisees are BLIND, they are IGNORANT, they are as SERPENTS, of the carnal mind, like a NATURAL BRUTE BEASTS. They lead others astray by their own imaginations from WITHIN they are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. They are of the OLD SERPENT, changing the truth of God and the truth of His way into a LIE.
Hi All,
1 Cor 15: 35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain (seed), it may chance of wheat, or of some other (seed): 37 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1 Peter 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Me: There are two seeds mentioned in the scripture above, the seed of the flesh and the seed of the spirit. The body of the flesh grows from the seed of the flesh. The body of the spirit grows in heaven above from the seed of the holy spirit. This body is reserved in heaven for us according to our good works. We receive our new bodies as crowns of righteousness when Christ returns. This is when the kingdom of earth becomes the kingdom of God which includes his saints. Our human spirits, hearts, and bodies will dissolve. We will have a new human heart compliant with Christ, the holy spirit in our spirit mind, and a body of the holy spirit and not of our flesh. The new in the image of the old will be holy, the old will dissolve.
1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Me: Again, who is “we” in verse 52? I believe it is the image that is changed from the corruptible to the incorruptible and not the corruptible man to the incorruptible flesh.
The seed comes from the heart and mind. It is transmitted through the spirit. The seed of David is from the heart and mind of David. A seed springs from its source. Christ had the seed of David in him. He did not have the inherited flesh and human spirit of sin and death from David.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh
Me: Christ did not have sin or death in his flesh and was not weak to withstanding sin like we are. Christ did not have exactly the same human flesh as we have.
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God (angels) saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Me: The point here is not to go into Genesis 6 and what exactly it meant. The point is that human flesh does not need to be like most humans have now. Christ was made in the likeness of our flesh. Christ was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. whether our flesh has sin or not in it, and it does have sin because of Adam’s trespass. Christ did not have flesh exactly like ours. He is the second Adam first of the flesh and then of the spirit.
Hi All,
New American Standard Bible
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generations.’Me: Future generations can feel sins of the fathers as if they had sinned.
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Me: Future generations can feel the wrath of God for what they have done and what the perpetrators of their pass persecutors have done as if they had done it all.
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou (Adam=mankind) shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, on which basis all have sinned:
Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Me: death was passed on to future generations as if they had committed Adam’s trespass. Thus we are sinners when we are conceived.
Hi All,
American Standard Version
John 6:63 It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, and are life.Roma 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness
The resulting death from sin is what we inherit in our bodies. This body is not the same body of the flesh that was of Christ.
Human spirit
Adam and Eve had a higher spirit before they trespassed. They died to that spirit in their spirit minds. So has all the posterity been dead ( Matt 8:22, Luke 9:60).
The human spirit is death because of unrighteousness. If it is not everlasting, it is considered dead. The human spirit dies. It is corruptible. The human body is corruptible. Both perish.
Matt 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
Me: As the holy spirit is new and different in substance from our human spirits, so are our new bodies different in substance from our old.
Bodies different in substance than our old.Hi Jodi,
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Me: Christ does not have a body like the angels as you have stated. This is just another denigration of the Lord by you.
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Me: The bone head theory that Christ was resurrected as flesh and bones with no blood is just that. Christ was resurrected from the dead in his human form. He could walk through walls and trans figurate himself because he had flesh different from ours. He was glorified with a new body after he had ascended into heaven.
Hi TC,
You do not seem to grasp that CHRIST specifically refers to the ANOINTED MAN.
It is not a word that is interchangeable with Jesus until the Jordan.
Jesus of Nazareth was made both Lord and Christ.
HI TC,
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once;12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.Paul has spoken up to this point about Christ and how he in fact did die, and that he did in fact rise from being dead and that this Christ appeared to many. WHAT BODY did he rise from the dead WITH, how are the dead raised up? .. as Christ is the firstfruits of the dead, so we are to RISE as he ROSE.TC, it is NOT what BODY Christ was later changed into after he rose from the dead, it is the BODY that Christ was RAISED WITH. I do not understand how you cannot understand this from what Paul is saying in this entire chapter.35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?What BODY did Jesus (the firstfruits of the dead with others to follow) COME in when he ROSE from the dead TC? This ENTIRE chapter would be written entirely different if the glory of Christ existed in a body that he was changed into later when ascending to God. This chapter speaks of rising in glory from the dead, rising in power from the dead, rising into an incorruptible body from the dead. Jesus did not become firstborn of the dead the firstfruits, when he ascended to heaven, it was upon his rise from being dead.1 Cor 15: 35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain (seed), it may chance of wheat, or of some other (seed): 37 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
It is NOT that we become some other sort of seed actually is what Paul is saying, he is saying BUT the TRUTH IS God giveth it a body according to it’s SEED because EVERY SEED has it’s OWN BODY. Paul speaks and then is saying on the contrary the truth is, we are NOT able to become another seed. What is pleasing to God is that He did in fact give each seed it’s OWN body and thus it’s OWN glory. Glory is in the specific seed, not from changing from one seed to a different seed. The glory of human beings is that unlike fish or birds we have been given brains that are capable of coming to know Him and to come to having a relationship with Him.
To EXPLAIN this fact further, Paul goes onto tell us,
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
Every SEED has it’s OWN BODY, it’s OWN glory, it’s own unique design. That SEED does not change into another seed, it has it’s OWN glory.This APPLIES to the resurrection of the DEAD, upon rising from the dead Christ nor anyone else becomes another seed, for the SEED of man was pleasing to God and He gave that seed it’s own glory.42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.“it” here represents the SAME SEED, which is a human being of the red earth.This passage does not change the “it”.The SEED is a particular KIND of creature, the passage is speaking of a particular creature, a particular kind of SEED, humans.42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. Humans are sown in corruption; humans are raised in incorruption: 43 Humans are sown in dishonour; humans are raised in glory: humans are sown in weakness; humans are raised in power: 44 Humans are sown a natural body; humans are raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first human was made a living soul; the last human died but then his spirit was brought back to life/quickened.The SAME SEED, the SAME KIND of BODY that was pleasing to God, that had been sown in dishonour is now RAISED from the dead in glory. NOT CHANGED to another SEED LATER. Jesus was raised not with a different KIND of body, the body he had that was not allowed to decay received glory UPON RISING FROM the dead. That same KIND of BODY, that is different from an angel’s body, or a fish’s body, was RAISED from the dead IN POWER. God created the human body made of the red earth giving it the breath of life making it a living soul. God gave life to many creatures making them all living souls, they each are of their own unique seed. We are directly told in Genesis that animals are living souls as well, any created creature God had made, who He gave life to, as long as it has that life is a living soul.As Adam of the red earth was made a living soul having been given the breath of life, Jesus of the red earth who DIED had his spirit brought to life/quickened. His spirit saw life again, it was no longer dead, it was no longer asleep, it awoke being consciously aware. The breath of life returned to the body and thus also the brain where the mind/spirit lives. Adam was sown in weakness he was made having ignorance, his spirit was ignorant. He was like the animals who are indeed ignorant of God. His spirit was ignorant like that of a serpent. God had made us in His image however, with the capability from going from an ignorant creature like that of an animal to being filled with the truth. This capability exists because of how YHWH designed our brains, the capabilities He gave to our minds, where unlike animals we could come to know Him and know His ways, and become like He is of righteous character.Jesus received wisdom, understanding, and knowledge, he grew from a child gaining wisdom, and then he was anointed with God’s Spirit being full of wisdom without measure. He was born an ignorant infant, and as he grew and as he was anointed, his spirit/mind/brain was filled with the knowledge of YHWH. The anointing caused him to have power over his carnal nature, where he was able to not act like a brute beast, able to deny the flesh. He had control over the survival state and the emotional state because the executive state of his brain was filled with the knowledge of YHWH. Even facing death where the survival state and the emotional state of the brain is most powerful, he was able to overcome.53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.THE SAME SEED the same kind of being that YHWH created goes from mortality to immortality. We do not go from mortal human beings to some other creature and that is how we become immortal. The human being itself, that uniquely created seed that YHWH made in His image becomes immortal. This is exactly WHY we are told numerous times that the resurrected Jesus is STILL a human being, that our mediator is a human being an Anthropos.Just PURE foolishness to say he is of a different SEED when we are told directly and repeatedly that he is NOT. Jesus IS a HUMAN BEING with eternal life. A human being is returning to earth and many on this forum sound like they are in a state of mind where they are going to deny him.Hi TC,
You said, “Christ does not have a body like the angels as you have stated. This is just another denigration of the Lord by you.”
I never said he had a body like the angels, I specifically said that he does NOT have a body like the angels. His body is that of a human being, first it was mortal now it is immortal.
Hi TC,
Yes Jesus flesh is different it went from human mortal flesh to human immortal flesh. He now has flesh that does not get tired, does not feel pain, does not grow old, does not die.
When Jesus was mortal and now that he is immortal he had been given powers in his mind that came from YHWH opening pathways in his brain, giving him wisdom. This is how he was able as a MORTAL human to walk on water. Much of the human brain has been closed off, YHWH through his Spirit can open up the power of our brains of which makes a human capable of performing signs and miracles, able to control the wind and the water, able to heal people with a word.
Hi Jodi,
There is no record of Jesus being anointed before the Jordan.
What is plain is that, under the discipline of his Father, he fed on the food of the wisdom of God, the scriptures, such that by the age of 12 he was able to teach the teachers. He followed the line of blessing of God and that food sustained him and kept him from sinning as it was designed to do.
Hi Jodi,
We o not know what we will be like but we know when he returns we will be alike to him, says scripture.
NO, you say. We know what we will be like, just the same as the Lord…and when left he was cut and torn, but immortal.
Hi Gene,
Now you dare to prescribe HOW God resurrects us……by using DNA.
How far you have travelled from truth.
TC,
There are NOT 2 seeds mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15, there is ONE SEED that is mentioned and that same SEED goes from weakness to power, dishonor to glory. The SEED goes from being a created creature who is ignorant and bound to the fear of death, to a SEED filled with the knowledge of the LORD, that then is freed from the fear of death by receiving eternal life.
Hi Nick,
You: Adam and Eve died to their spirits in their spirit minds?.
Religious gobbledegookMe: Please explain:
Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God
Explain
Hi Nick:
You: You do not seem to grasp that CHRIST specifically refers to the ANOINTED MAN.
It is not a word that is interchangeable with Jesus until the Jordan.
Jesus of Nazareth was made both Lord and Christ.Me:
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Me: The Word or spiritual image of God was one made one with the flesh of man at birth, not at Jordon.
John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Me: The spirit descended on Christ to identify him as the anointed one.
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